drleather2001 said:
Yet nowhere is Tom Brady's account of what his role, if any, might have been.
Brady's lawyer was there the whole time, I'm wondering if they have a transcript of it they'd release if it'd benefit Brady.
drleather2001 said:
Yet nowhere is Tom Brady's account of what his role, if any, might have been.
Gambler7 said:And some may have been 12.8 or 12.9.
NortheasternPJ said:
Brady's lawyer was there the whole time, I'm wondering if they have a transcript of it they'd release if it'd benefit Brady.
It will most likely end up on Jeter's website.McBride11 said:
Maybe more like a leak. I think that's actually how things are done now.
We're quoting Simmons here? Should we stop for lunch at Felger & Mazz or just drive through to CHB?bluefenderstrat said:
I wish I could find it, but someone with an "inside source" posted on SOSH that Brady was no longer giving it his full effort & BB was greasing the skids for his exit. I understand you're just speculating, but there's been a lot of this noise (from Simmons, etc.) the past couple of seasons.
That's a sentence fit for Hernandez.DrewDawg said:If anyone wants to subject themselves to 2 dumbasses, Kravitz will apparently be on with Cowherd tomorrow.
Stitch01 said:Particularly when the same report talks about the refs rolling out a 16 psi football earlier in the season annnnnd no there will be no investigation or followups.
At least it's the information of referees whose league makes them log in each ball's PSI level before each game.drleather2001 said:But seriously, it's fucking perfect that a cornerstone to the entire report is the credibility of a fucking referee, who fans of every team think are stupid and notoriously unreliable.
But this time their real-time judgment and knowledge of the exact wording of the rule book is rock solid. Ok. Sure.
McBride11 said:They did alter the laws of thermodynamics and prove Boyle et al wrong. Not bad for 3 interviews.
HomeBrew1901 said:I think what Theo was referring to was Brady being pissed off and saying "Fuck this, I've given you all these hometown discounts to stay here and you can't back me when I'm being attacked? Fuck you I'm holding out or heading to the Jets when my contract is up".
Not going to happen but I can see what Theo is saying.
Shelterdog said:I apologize if I missed it but I reread the part about the IMs and two thing stood out:
1.) middle aged dudes should use teenage IM talk with extreme care. They look like idiots.
2.) Some, if not all, of the needle references are, um, not exactly about needles. "I have a big needle for you this weekend" is not instructions to break NFL laws--it's a fucking dick joke.
Are we still keeping a media white list?loshjott said:Local DC radio guys are quoting Reiss and trashing inconsistencies of report and saying (paraphrasing) witch hunt against Pats because they always win.
MuppetAsteriskTalk said:I just find it amazing that the texts and all the context I've seen is Brady being pissed about having to play with 16 PSI footballs to the point of wanting to give the officials a copy of the rules, and this evidence is being used to "prove" he wanted them to deflate the balls below 12.5 PSI.
B Mitch, Doc and Jackson -- or the other station?loshjott said:Local DC radio guys are quoting Reiss and trashing inconsistencies of report and saying (paraphrasing) witch hunt against Pats because they always win.
There is no Rev said:
The Rodnkey King trial became a case study in how narratives in legalism work. If you parse the narrative, you can confound meaning. Like, they took stills of King on the ground with his limbs pulled in and had a martial arts expert point out that his leg was bent the same way you would cock before kicking someone. Shit like that. reparsing a narrative is what people do to find truth, but it is as often as not destructive of the truth which allows people to construct a new narrative.
People are not good at truth.
Q: A few years ago you said you liked the ball deflated. You were quoted saying you like throwing a deflated ball. Explain that comment in the context of what you’re dealing with this week.
TB: I obviously read that I said that. I like them at the way that I like them, which is at 12.5. To me, that’s a perfect grip for the football. I think that particular term, deflated or inflated, whatever norm you’re using, you could probably use. I would never do anything outside of the rules of play. I would never have someone do something that I thought was outside the rules.
Q: So you never knowingly played with a football that was under 12.5-pounds?
TB: No.
Those guys, before Cooley and Czaban came on.dcmissle said:B Mitch, Doc and Jackson -- or the other station?
For the 100th time, they offered him the ability to turn over selective, relevant texts only...not the entire phone. I'm fine with his decision not to comply anyways, but ignoring this point distorts the truth and weakens your argument.jtn46 said:So Tom Brady should have given his phone with his personal texts, calls, emails, voicemails, etc... over to a front office that can't keep a secret? TMZ would have had a field day with every stupid piece of gossip they could glean out of that thing. For the report to consider Brady uncooperative for not inviting that is nonsense.
Gostkowski refused to give his as well. Not really noted anywhere.jtn46 said:So Tom Brady should have given his phone with his personal texts, calls, emails, voicemails, etc... over to a front office that can't keep a secret? TMZ would have had a field day with every stupid piece of gossip they could glean out of that thing. For the report to consider Brady uncooperative for not inviting that is nonsense.
loshjott said:Local DC radio guys are quoting Reiss and trashing inconsistencies of report and saying (paraphrasing) witch hunt against Pats because they always win.
Nick Kaufman said:Once again. McNally,
1. Calls himself a deflator.
2. Jokingly -but really very seriously trying to extract as much loot as possible- blackmails Jamstreski for sport shoes.
3. Jokingly says that he's going to take this to ESPN.
IN MAY of 2014. In May of 2014. Before Brady complained about the PSI being at 16. Before the word deflate was in vogue, before this thing blew way out of proportion.
I can't understand under what scenario this kind of joking implies a completely innocent activity and I am not convinced by the explanations given here.
The most probable than not interpretation of their texts is that McNally, either deflated balls under 12.5 or he deflated them to 12.5 after the refs had signed on them. Most probable than not looks like an extremely apt way of putting it.
Beyond this, I do think that the alleged crime is a nothingburger and that the scientific evidence that the balls were underinflated is pretty flimsy.
djbayko said:For the 100th time, they offered him the ability to turn over selective, relevant texts only...not the entire phone. I'm fine with his decision not to comply anyways, but ignoring this point distorts the truth and weakens your argument.
There's always a real danger in taking communications out of context. Especially when it's coming from two knuckleheads that appear to lie about other issues (50,000 yard football autograph).Nick Kaufman said:Once again. McNally,
1. Calls himself a deflator.
2. Jokingly -but really very seriously trying to extract as much loot as possible- blackmails Jamstreski for sport shoes.
3. Jokingly says that he's going to take this to ESPN.
IN MAY of 2014. In May of 2014. Before Brady complained about the PSI being at 16. Before the word deflate was in vogue, before this thing blew way out of proportion.
I can't understand under what scenario this kind of joking implies a completely innocent activity and I am not convinced by the explanations given here.
The most probable than not interpretation of their texts is that McNally, either deflated balls under 12.5 or he deflated them to 12.5 after the refs had signed on them. Most probable than not looks like an extremely apt way of putting it.
Beyond this, I do think that the alleged crime is a nothingburger and that the scientific evidence that the balls were underinflated is pretty flimsy.
That's a great way to be hit with a spoliation charge.norm from cheers said:I wonder how many teams since the report came out ordered their employees to delete all text messages and voicemails immediately.
norm from cheers said:I wonder how many teams since the report came out ordered their employees to delete all text messages and voicemails immediately.
Well yeah, I kind of agree with all of this with the caveat that 2 and 3 probably sound worse in text than they really are, like its much more likely to be ballbusting than thinking they were covering up anything that matters. Aaron Rodgers went on TV and said they tried to overinflate footballs. No, that's not the same as fucking with the balls post inspection, but I doubt they really thought they had . But if you asked me whether someone messed with the balls after they were inspected and I was forced to guess yes or no, yeah, I probably guess yes.Nick Kaufman said:Once again. McNally,
1. Calls himself a deflator.
2. Jokingly -but really very seriously trying to extract as much loot as possible- blackmails Jamstreski for sport shoes.
3. Jokingly says that he's going to take this to ESPN.
IN MAY of 2014. In May of 2014. Before Brady complained about the PSI being at 16. Before the word deflate was in vogue, before this thing blew way out of proportion.
I can't understand under what scenario this kind of joking implies a completely innocent activity and I am not convinced by the explanations given here.
The most probable than not interpretation of their texts is that McNally, either deflated balls under 12.5 or he deflated them to 12.5 after the refs had signed on them. Most probable than not looks like an extremely apt way of putting it.
Beyond this, I do think that the alleged crime is a nothingburger and that the scientific evidence that the balls were underinflated is pretty flimsy.
You think he's fired up for a game now? Wait till this year.ivanvamp said:We are all going to be seriously pissed when Goodell suspends Brady despite nothing remotely like a "gotcha!".
Also, Tom Brady will receive the loudest ovation any athlete has ever received when he plays the first home game next year.
Nick Kaufman said:Once again. McNally,
1. Calls himself a deflator.
2. Jokingly -but really very seriously trying to extract as much loot as possible- blackmails Jamstreski for sport shoes.
3. Jokingly says that he's going to take this to ESPN.
IN MAY of 2014. In May of 2014. Before Brady complained about the PSI being at 16. Before the word deflate was in vogue, before this thing blew way out of proportion.
I can't understand under what scenario this kind of joking implies a completely innocent activity and I am not convinced by the explanations given here.
The most probable than not interpretation of their texts is that McNally, either deflated balls under 12.5 or he deflated them to 12.5 after the refs had signed on them. Most probable than not looks like an extremely apt way of putting it.
Beyond this, I do think that the alleged crime is a nothingburger and that the scientific evidence that the balls were underinflated is pretty flimsy.
It reminds the Haters that the Pats are the current world champions. It's much more bitter than sweet.Ed Hillel said:Dang, this story is already gone from the top part of ESPN. I guess people are actually getting sick of it.