#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Ed Hillel

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I love the fall guy comments. Obviously, the Patriots set up this ball boy to walk on camera into a room without a camera before they knew there was an investigation.
 

dcmissle

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Once again Glazer gets a leak out of NFL HQ designed to inflict maximum damage on the Pats. These folks need to be flushed out of there, Mr. Kraft.
Pretty much. If Goodell cannot stop the leaks, he has no business being Commissioner. Note that the NFL Office issued a "no comment" on this leak.

At this point, BB can pretty convincingly paint an us against the world picture here.
 

EricFeczko

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So let me get this straight.
 
Glazer first blames BB, then he blames brady, then he blames the NFL, and now he blames the attendant.

If he has sources telling him facts that represent four mutually exclusive possibilities, then the responsible thing to do is to check his sources before reporting.
If these sources are fabrications, then he's making shit up.
 
So either he's unethical or completely incompetent as a reporter, take your pick.
 

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rodderick said:
I wonder why the only people that disagree with Belichick's findings are the ones who haven't done the experiments themselves.
It's hard to do these experiments if your calculations require massless objects and frictionless surfaces. 
 

njnesportsfan

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EricFeczko said:
So let me get this straight.
 
Glazer first blames BB, then he blames brady, then he blames the NFL, and now he blames the attendant.

If he has sources telling him facts that represent four mutually exclusive possibilities, then the responsible thing to do is to check his sources before reporting.
If these sources are fabrications, then he's making shit up.
 
So either he's unethical or completely incompetent as a reporter, take your pick.
Both
 

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yecul said:
This definitely explains why only 11 of the 12 balls were low. He only had enough time to deflate those balls without raising suspicion. 
One idiot Pats hater I was "discussing" this with claimed that the one un-altered ball was just in case Garoppolo had to come into the game.  I am so done with this ship.  I am starting to HATE the NFL.
 

njnesportsfan

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Dewy4PrezII said:
One idiot Pats hater I was "discussing" this with claimed that the one un-altered ball was just in case Garoppolo had to come into the game.  I am so done with this ship.  I am starting to HATE the NFL.
I am done with it after this Sunday. It's a joke.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
I love the fall guy comments. Obviously, the Patriots set up this ball boy to walk on camera into a room without a camera before they knew there was an investigation.
Assuming the ball boy let out the air. Is there anyway short of a confession to prove that ball boy was doing this for the pats and not some addict owner with an axe to grind? I would definitely screw over my favorite team for a few thousand dollars.
 

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The largest pressure drop number we have seen reported is 2 PSI.  A drop from 13 PSI to 11 PSI is actually an 8% drop in pressure, since the absolute pressures are 27.7 -> 25.7 PSI.
 
So basically NdGT confused gauge pressure and absolute pressure, like a few of SoSH posters who aren't fucking astrophysicists did upthread.  That's rookie level shit.
 
Somewhere, Carl Sagan weeps.
 
Not even this is true. I tried an equation with the gauge pressure, and another with the temps in Fahrenheit (instead of Kelvin). I never once got a temperature anywhere close to 125F (used 45-55 degree outside air). I have no idea what he's talking about, or what kind of equation he used. Would love to see him show his work. 
 

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simplyeric said:
 
could he really be using gauge pressure?
 
2psi/13psi = ....   15%?
 
 
Reminds me of the physicist years ago insisting that a baseball curving in air was simply an optical illusion. The goober forgot about the seams on the ball.
 

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dcmissle said:
Pretty much. If Goodell cannot stop the leaks, he has no business being Commissioner. Note that the NFL Office issued a "no comment" on this leak.

At this point, BB can pretty convincingly paint an us against the world picture here.
 
It's a nice story to get the game officials off the hook. This is monkey poo flinging going on.
 

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I too am growing very concerned.  To allow these continuous leaks to happen is irresponsible if you believe the Patriots are innocent.  We've seen such leaks before as a way to sway public opinion towards the eventual decision.  It's quite possible that the league has it in for the Patriots, conclusive evidence or no, and they simply stretching it out because they know that they can't fuck up the Super Bowl.
 
It's amazing that the Patriots will have played in probably the 2 most publicized Super Bowls, being viewed as the enemy in each, with the world on the edge of their seats.
 

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Press day should consist of Patriots answering every question with 'We're on to Seattle' with varying inflection and accents.
 

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The League clearly wants to drag this out more.  Fuck them for that.
 
If they wanted to, they could have a press conference announcing the status of the investigation, and that nothing more would be done until the Superbowl was over.   This idea that they are working in the backroom like the FBI trying to CRACK THE CASE BEFORE THE BIG GAME is just feeding into the frenzy.
 

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Hoya81

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I'll feel bad if this ball attendant gets fined 25k or more, probably doesn't make all that much.
 

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djbayko said:
I too am growing very concerned.  To allow these continuous leaks to happen is irresponsible if you believe the Patriots are innocent.
You know we are dealing with Goodell's NFL here, right? I'd do cartwheels for irresponsible... this seems much more deliberate than that.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
 
Not even this is true. I tried an equation with the gauge pressure, and another with the temps in Fahrenheit (instead of Kelvin). I never once got a temperature anywhere close to 125F (used 45-55 degree outside air). I have no idea what he's talking about, or what kind of equation he used. Would love to see him show his work. 
someone needs to tweet him and ask him to explain his methodology
 

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Harry Hooper said:
 
It's a nice story to get the game officials off the hook. This is monkey poo flinging going on.
 
If the refs did screw up by failing to test the balls, the narrative that "the ball boy disappeared for a couple of minutes but we don't have evidence of any wrongdoing so we're closing this down and moving on" furthers two goals: protecting the refs (therefore preserving the integrity of the league) and letting the Pats twist in the wind of public opinion (assuming the league actually doe shave it in for them).
 

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Hoya81 said:
I'll feel bad if this ball attendant gets fined 25k or more, probably doesn't make all that much.
 
There's no scenario remotely plausible that doesn't include the Patriots organization and/or players making sure he's made whole for it if that ever came about.
 

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Bdanahy14 said:
You know we are dealing with Goodell's NFL here, right? I'd do cartwheels for irresponsible... this seems much more deliberate than that.
 
Funny you didn't quote the rest of my post.  Do you work for the media?
 
 
 
I too am growing very concerned.  To allow these continuous leaks to happen is irresponsible if you believe the Patriots are innocent.  We've seen such leaks before as a way to sway public opinion towards the eventual decision.  It's quite possible that the league has it in for the Patriots, conclusive evidence or no, and they simply stretching it out because they know that they can't fuck up the Super Bowl.
 

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Dewy4PrezII said:
someone needs to tweet him and ask him to explain his methodology
 
Check the responses to his tweet. Most are of the "BAM SCIENCE!" variety.
 

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djbayko said:
I too am growing very concerned.  To allow these continuous leaks to happen is irresponsible if you believe the Patriots are innocent.  We've seen such leaks before as a way to sway public opinion towards the eventual decision.  It's quite possible that the league has it in for the Patriots, conclusive evidence or no, and they simply stretching it out because they know that they can't fuck up the Super Bowl.
 
It's amazing that the Patriots will have played in probably the 2 most publicized Super Bowls, being viewed as the enemy in each, with the world on the edge of their seats.
Again, if the league truly has it in for the Patriots, how would Roger present the trophy when the Patriots win on Sunday?
 

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BB obviously questioned whichever ballboy brought the balls to the field. If that person tampered, BB knew, and to my mind there's no way he denies the tampering so stridently while knowing that a ballboy's testimony could unravel the whole thing and thrust him and Brady into the Palmeiro/Lance Armstrong category of publicly disgraced liars for the rest of their lives. The irresponsibility of these leaks...wow. Just wow.
 

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djbayko said:
 
Ugh!  I love NDT and was hoping he would chime in with real science.  Unfortunately, he isn't exactly up to speed with the situation.  He obviously didn't listen to Saturday's press conference.  Also, I believe 15% is the difference if using gauge pressure.
This can't be stressed enough - real science is way more than plugging numbers into equations.
 

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njnesportsfan said:
Again, if the league truly has it in for the Patriots, how would Roger present the trophy when the Patriots win on Sunday?
 
Carefully and from a distance.
 
 

Doctor G

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lexrageorge said:
Of course, the missing piece of info:
 
Is it routine for a ball boy to take the balls in this manner from the officials' locker room, and the NFL is just stating that they intend to further interview or investigate this person?  If so, this doesn't seem to be a big deal.
 
Or, is this something completely unorthodox?  In which case, it could be a very big deal (media-wise, that is).
Quite possible that he was responsible for bringing something else from the locker room to the sideline. he does have two hands.
 

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I am expecting this to turn out just like the mort 2lbs tweet. In a few days we will find out that he walked into a room without a hat on and returned to the hallway 15 seconds later with a hat on.

But by then hearts and minds will have already convicted the pats.

FUCK. THE. NFL.
 

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njnesportsfan said:
Again, if the league truly has it in for the Patriots, how would Roger present the trophy when the Patriots win on Sunday?
He's doing his best to make sure that's not an issue.
 

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NWsoxophile said:
BB obviously questioned whichever ballboy brought the balls to the field. If that person tampered, BB knew, and to my mind there's no way he denies the tampering so stridently while knowing that a ballboy's testimony could unravel the whole thing and thrust him and Brady into the Palmeiro/Lance Armstrong category of publicly disgraced liars for the rest of their lives. The irresponsibility of these leaks...wow. Just wow.
I've felt that if that was the case, BB would have taken full responsibility for that.
 

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lexrageorge said:
Of course, the missing piece of info:
 
Is it routine for a ball boy to take the balls in this manner from the officials' locker room, and the NFL is just stating that they intend to further interview or investigate this person?  If so, this doesn't seem to be a big deal.
 
Or, is this something completely unorthodox?  In which case, it could be a very big deal (media-wise, that is).
Quite possible that he was responsible for bringing something else from the locker room to the sideline. he does have two hands.
 

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On the "only 11 of the 12 balls were under-inflated" thing - Blount handed the ball to a fan in the stands after his 2nd TD.  So there were only 11 balls to test at halftime.
HAS THE NFL INTERVIEWED THAT GUY YET?

This is unreal.
 

djbayko

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speedracer said:
This can't be stressed enough - real science is way more than plugging numbers into equations.
 
Yes, but I'm saying he even got the plugging numbers wrong.  More likely, he is misinformed and using the wrong inputs.
 

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njnesportsfan said:
It's actually much easier for the ballboy to file a libel lawsuit against various news media if this BS intensifies (remember Richard Jewell, http://law.jrank.org/pages/8241/Libel-Slander-Richard-Jewell-Olympic-Park-Bombing.html). The ballboy is not a public figure. "As a private individual, Jewell would simply need to prove that the newspaper acted with NEGLIGENCE or carelessness in reporting information that was false and defamatory in content."
 
OT but: That ruling was so fucked. So, so fucked.