Manning got the league to allow QBs to "prepare" their footballs. I think that's what he's getting at.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Hoya81 said:
This and that the refs aid that by deflating over-inflated balls during the inspection process.
canderson said:
This is nuts. A dead week? It is the two week lead up to the biggest annual sporting event in the country and arguably the world, with the pro-bowl thrown in for the true die-hards. There are two weeks between the conference championship games and the Super Bowl by design, because the NFL absolutely owns this time of the year from a sports media perspective. What else is going on right now? The NHL regular season? The Australian Open? In this case it actually becomes one of the few crossover events that gets covered by non-sports media.
I'm not sure why the NFL would take so long to conduct its investigation, but I suspect it is more likely some combination of incompetence plus trying to come across as "thorough and transparent" in how they are handling this. But I don't think it has anything to do with trying to keep the NFL relevant during Super Bowl time.
So it's ok if QBs have the footballs overinflated because Rodgers thinks it's not an advantage because they're not kicking them. But it isn't ok if QBs have the footballs underinflated because Rodgers thinks it's an advantage if you have smaller hands (which Brady does NOT).
Ok, got it.
Your breaking of the rules is fine. Ours (our alleged, that is) isn't fine.
Ok, got it.
Your breaking of the rules is fine. Ours (our alleged, that is) isn't fine.
Seriously, what?
"Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands." Why? Also, doesn't this imply that a less flat football is an advantage if you have larger hands?
"Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side." Okay. Makes sense. I guess.
"My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum." Hmm. Hold on a second. Something doesn't add up. Also, if that is your belief, perhaps you should petition the league to change the rules like Peyton did instead of just, you know, just ignoring the current rules.
"Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands." Why? Also, doesn't this imply that a less flat football is an advantage if you have larger hands?
"Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side." Okay. Makes sense. I guess.
"My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum." Hmm. Hold on a second. Something doesn't add up. Also, if that is your belief, perhaps you should petition the league to change the rules like Peyton did instead of just, you know, just ignoring the current rules.
I'm a Democrat but fuck it, let's strip the Corporation of Public Broadcasting of federal funding.
What the media will take from this is that Belichick will take any little advantage he can get.timelysarcasm said:
I'm irrationally infuriated by all of this, but particularly with all the faux-media piling on.
Yahoo doesn't even know what game it was:
Yahoo doesn't even know what game it was:
Which is exactly one of the things I teach the boys that I coach in soccer and lax: take whatever the ref will give you. (obviously, without fouling or hurting anyone)Filet-O-Fisk said:
It is called the butterfly effect. The ball was so deflated causing the spiral to be so wobbly that it traveled back in time and hit Bostick in the facemask.MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:I'm irrationally infuriated by all of this, but particularly with all the faux-media piling on.
Yahoo doesn't even know what game it was:
timelysarcasm, on 20 Jan 2015 - 4:34 PM, said:
The article also says it's unlikely anything happened.
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The "for a significant portion of the game" quote got me thinking. It was raining a lot. Wouldn't the refs change the ball frequently? And if so, wouldn't there be a large number of balls in play?
Is the accusation that NE deflated *all* of them, or that some number (1? 2? more than 2?) were below the guideline?
If the refs were handling new balls ever play or two, you'd think they'd notice if one or two were under-inflated. If the allegation is that all of the balls the Pats used were underinflated, well, I suppose it's easier to believe that they wouldn't notice a difference between Pats ball A and Pats ball B - but they're also exchanging balls for the Colts (at least, for the short stretches that they managed to be on offense), so the difference between one set and another should still be obvious, if it exists at all...
timelysarcasm said:
The article also says it's unlikely anything happened.
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The "for a significant portion of the game" quote got me thinking. It was raining a lot. Wouldn't the refs change the ball frequently? And if so, wouldn't there be a large number of balls in play?
Is the accusation that NE deflated *all* of them, or that some number (1? 2? more than 2?) were below the guideline?
If the refs were handling new balls ever play or two, you'd think they'd notice if one or two were under-inflated. If the allegation is that all of the balls the Pats used were underinflated, well, I suppose it's easier to believe that they wouldn't notice a difference between Pats ball A and Pats ball B - but they're also exchanging balls for the Colts (at least, for the short stretches that they managed to be on offense), so the difference between one set and another should still be obvious, if it exists at all...
Of course you could just tweet "Unconfirmed reports [Patriots Player X] was arrested for an altercation with his spouse by random Massachusetts town PD" have a couple of friends retweet it then watch the National News Organization work themselves into a froth until you say it is a hoax.
If a ball is overinflated and harder than normal, wouldn't it be tougher for the defense to intercept since they aren't used to the harder ball? It seems like Rodgers thinks its ok to take advantage of having larger hands and gets his receivers used to the harder football and could help keep his interception rate down. I have no proof that this is true, but there hasn't been any proof in all of this so I think we should just make more stuff up.
Would one of you SOSH athletes do me a favor?
Take your high quality football and inflate it to 12.5 psi. Fuck with it. Then deflate it to 12.0 PSI. Can you tell the difference by feel? I'm curious.
Take your high quality football and inflate it to 12.5 psi. Fuck with it. Then deflate it to 12.0 PSI. Can you tell the difference by feel? I'm curious.
Another stupid thing to consider:
Colts players are not used to playing in the cold, wet, conditions. It's entirely plausible that balls feel different when your hands and the ball are exposed to different conditions. Numb fingers aren't exactly known for precision.
Colts players are not used to playing in the cold, wet, conditions. It's entirely plausible that balls feel different when your hands and the ball are exposed to different conditions. Numb fingers aren't exactly known for precision.
Are you kidding me. Don't know how much more of this I can take.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/
Still trying to figure out why Brady would play with a regulation ball the last few years (since no one has noticed anything wrong before) then decide to go with a ball that is out of spec for the second-biggest game of the year.
To be fair, it was around 50 on Sunday wasn't it?drleather2001 said:
This is all amazingly dumb. Don't overthink it.
There is no Rev said:
I love how every imaginable instance of human stupidity already exists in a Simpsons clip somewhere.
Ed Hillel said:
While looking for a pic of Belichick shopped as The Riddler, I found this Raider Forum thread talking about the ineligible receiver formations and how awesome Belichick is and how they wish they had a coach like that.
I loved El Guapo's post: "C'mon, no credit for burying footballs?".There is no Rev said:
(Tony Sparano's first act with da Raiduhs).
I'm at "fuck all of this" level. It's Super Bowl week. 12 days to the game and this is all that's being talked about. I've been refraining from responding to a friend on facebook since Monday morning who is going on about this; all I want to say to him is "you're an idiot". I don't think that will go over too well.
Then again, we would have gotten away with it if Brady didn't throw any interceptions. He needs to tighten that up.
Then again, we would have gotten away with it if Brady didn't throw any interceptions. He needs to tighten that up.
This is what I was thinking.geoduck no quahog said:
-Take a dozen game balls, all slight used and rubbed up.
-inflate them to varying levels, 11.5 psi, 12, 12.5, 13...etc.
- get our intercepting friend, and bunches of other offensive and defensive players, and some refs
- throw them the balls and give them a few seconds to guess what the pressure is
- measure success rate. Would successful guess be better than random, within 0.5psi? 1psi? 1.5?
-get them to play full pad practice and repeat the guessing game. (Only this because I would imagine during the heat of competition a player might be even less accurate at guessing, particularly an amped up defender).
Obviously it's not entirely scientific....
pappymojo said:
How do the Colts intercept Brady so much when they're usually getting pounded by the NE running game?
Let's say the patriots inflate the football in the sauna...and just cool the football surface enough to be room temp. Throughout the game the ball cools and you have excess deflation...perhaps an extra 1.5 PSI o of the expected 0.5. You might get the football PSI as low as 10.5. You didn't adulterate the football. You didn't alter the pressure after the referee checked it. You simply created a system that would changeover the course of the game. Clearly that violates the spirit of the rules, but the letter of them? Maybe not.
In law school there's a name for the guy who jumps the shark with the hypothetical that goes beyond all bounds of any practical significance and then poses to the law professor, "wouldn't that be legal?" or "that wouldn't be a breach, right?" You, my friend, are a gunner.TimothyWSClark said:
That works. I'll never forget the guy who posited the one-legged pregnant woman who routinely smoked crack as a hypothetical for discussing assumption of risk in the context of running a marathon. Dead seriously, too. He thought he was making a valid point.DegenerateSoxFan said:
The joy has been sapped from this game.
By technology, which has made the quest for perfection the enemy of the quite good enough.
By the 24/7/52 media cycle, whose instinct for the capillary has reduced the sport to an episode of the Kardashians.
And it's too bad really, because the current salary cap/ FA model has really established the foundation for a true meritocracy. Which is to say, the NEP.
When BB/TB hang them up, I may as well.
By technology, which has made the quest for perfection the enemy of the quite good enough.
By the 24/7/52 media cycle, whose instinct for the capillary has reduced the sport to an episode of the Kardashians.
And it's too bad really, because the current salary cap/ FA model has really established the foundation for a true meritocracy. Which is to say, the NEP.
When BB/TB hang them up, I may as well.
As a Colt's fan I find the Patriots cheating to be despicable. There is no doubt in my mind that this impacted the game and is THE reason the Colts lost. The game should be replayed, or better yet forfeited by the Patriots. Furthermore, I believe that the Patriots should lose draft picks for at least the next 3 years.
I also think the Colts should be able to take up to 5 players from the Patriots roster, while still having the Patriots pay them and go against the Patriot's salary cap--not the Colts. Additionally, I feel that the Patriots should have to start every game next season DOWN by 3 points. Belicheck should be required to submit his game plan in writing to the opposing team's head coaches at least 2 days before the game, and the Patriots can't substitute for at least 20% of the plays in the game. The Patriots should not be allowed to go for it on fourth down, either.
Finally, all game balls (for the Patriots) should be closely scrutinized by game officials. I think the NFL should take this seriously and have specific officials at each game that constantly measure the weight of the balls. If some type of electronic monitoring device can be created that shows the weight of the ball, it should be broadcast on NFL scoreboards and televisions.
I think these are pretty reasonable requests so we do not hurt the integrity of the game. We must protect the shield at all costs.
I also think the Colts should be able to take up to 5 players from the Patriots roster, while still having the Patriots pay them and go against the Patriot's salary cap--not the Colts. Additionally, I feel that the Patriots should have to start every game next season DOWN by 3 points. Belicheck should be required to submit his game plan in writing to the opposing team's head coaches at least 2 days before the game, and the Patriots can't substitute for at least 20% of the plays in the game. The Patriots should not be allowed to go for it on fourth down, either.
Finally, all game balls (for the Patriots) should be closely scrutinized by game officials. I think the NFL should take this seriously and have specific officials at each game that constantly measure the weight of the balls. If some type of electronic monitoring device can be created that shows the weight of the ball, it should be broadcast on NFL scoreboards and televisions.
I think these are pretty reasonable requests so we do not hurt the integrity of the game. We must protect the shield at all costs.