Definitely changed. Clearly said that they were not team employees when it went up.Flunky said:
the article as I am reading it right now say the teams provide the ball officials. Maybe it changed?
Definitely changed. Clearly said that they were not team employees when it went up.Flunky said:
the article as I am reading it right now say the teams provide the ball officials. Maybe it changed?
Bill would get Hernandez bail and murder the rat.ivanvamp said:
Unless someone in the organization admitted to doctoring the balls. Which is possible I suppose.
As I read it just now, it said that they are NFL employees. Flippity flop anyone?Section15Box113 said:Definitely changed. Clearly said that they were not team employees when it went up.
Caspir said:Yea, the NFL is doing a great job of spoiling the greatest two week period of the season, at least for a lot of Pats fans who have grown tired of whiny fans and mediots looking for any reason to trash a team that is literally giving them the gift of watching one of the greatest runs in American sports history by any franchise. Most of the season I've avoided the media and just tuned in on Sundays, and I've been better for it. I thought the SB would be full of puff pieces and analysis. Fuck me in the eyes for my naiveté.
Mooch said:Troy Vincent says that the league will wrap up its investigation in 2-3 days.
Lovely.
The NFL Friday at 6pm announcement special!Mooch said:Troy Vincent says that the league will wrap up its investigation in 2-3 days.
Lovely.
“@ProFootballTalk: But @TroyVincent23 did not say when findings of #deflategate investigation will be announced.”Mooch said:Troy Vincent says that the league will wrap up its investigation in 2-3 days.
Lovely.
And you're right. Definitely changed again. Very odd.Koufax said:And as I read it just now, it
As I read it just now, it said that they are NFL employees. Flippity flop anyone?
With Jerome Bettis chairing the panel.E5 Yaz said:An independent panel of Tony Dungy, Bart Scott, Marshall Faulk and Eric Mangini is investigating
Unless he drops the ball on it.Mooch said:Troy Vincent says that the league will wrap up its investigation in 2-3 days.
Lovely.
And it will be beautiful.Dick Pole Upside said:Assuming the team stays roughly the same as it is now, the visit to Indianapolis next year will be a Reckoning.
Coach Bill will steal their souls and slaughter the children.
ifmanis5 said:Unless he drops the ball on it.
soxhop411 said:“@ProFootballTalk: But @TroyVincent23 did not say when findings of #deflategate investigation will be announced.”
They overinflate them before they are checked by the referees 2 1/2 hours before the game.EL Jeffe said:Out of curiosity, if that piece is true about ball boys being NFL employees and it's essentially impossible to tamper with a ball unless you "turn" the ball boy, then how does Rodgers/Green Bay get their footballs over-inflated?
canderson said:Why on earth would the league want this to go away? They'll milk this until media days next week, when about 30 minutes before they issue a release finding "nothing here to see."
Everyone is talking about the NFL in its dead week. This is NFL gold.
EL Jeffe said:Out of curiosity, if that piece is true about ball boys being NFL employees and it's essentially impossible to tamper with a ball unless you "turn" the ball boy, then how does Rodgers/Green Bay get their footballs over-inflated?
EL Jeffe said:Out of curiosity, if that piece is true about ball boys being NFL employees and it's essentially impossible to tamper with a ball unless you "turn" the ball boy, then how does Rodgers/Green Bay get their footballs over-inflated?
Which is pathetic by the NFL if it's important to the integrity of the game.RedOctober3829 said:The ball boys are technically NFL employees but they are people who are off the street and paid $10-$15/hour. Most work as either visiting locker room attendants or game-day employees. They are from the area and are fans of the home team. So, it is easier than you think to have influence over these guys.
NortheasternPJ said:Which is pathetic by the NFL if it's important to the integrity of the game.
Ah, okay. So since the referees specifically check every ball before the game with a gauge, GB is banking on the refs either not paying too close attention, not really caring, or maybe the refs understanding that the air pressure will drop the ball into acceptable range once the game begins. Some footballs get through, some don't. C'est la vie.PaulinMyrBch said:
They submit the balls slightly over the 13.5 lb threshold and hope the refs don't take any air out once they test the balls. I'm assuming if you've got a 12.5 - 13.5 range to deal with, QB's that like them low submit all balls right at 12.5 and QB's that like them firm submit them at 13.5. If you go slightly above or below that and hope you don't get caught, you're just pushing the envelope.
I would think if you're playing somewhere cold, inflating at room temperature indoors at 12.5 would result in below that pressure outdoors 2 hours later, which is what you can expect the NFL to say on this matter in a few days.
canderson said:Why on earth would the league want this to go away? They'll milk this until media days next week, when about 30 minutes before they issue a release finding "nothing here to see."
Everyone is talking about the NFL in its dead week. This is NFL gold.
Koufax said:And as I read it just now, it
As I read it just now, it said that they are NFL employees. Flippity flop anyone?
johnmd20 said:
I know, I know, salary cap and all but it's comments like that which make people want to rip on the Patriots. That's what Yankee fans said in the late 90's. They were the Evil Empire. Don't you understand the Patriots are football's evil empire?
GregHarris said:Still waiting for an explanation of how the ref who spotted the ball somehow missed it. There was a running play right before that too, did they miss it twice?
This is good news, and what I had hoped. Given too many issues already discussed here (e.g., chain of custody, etc...), I don't see what they can really even do except look at the balls taken from the game at that time and analyze the overall process. If what Mike Freeman says is true, then the process is pretty clear and is what has to be verified occurred during the game. And in the absence of the league creating a working flux capacitor to go back in time and take game balls from other teams, or the finding that the Patriots inserted a special magic gas into the football that caused deflation over a period of time, this story should be put to bed soon. Good catch Mark on the video link too....that should at least deflect from this being a Patriots-only issue. And the public perception of Rodgers seems to be very positive, so that should also help.Mooch said:Troy Vincent says that the league will wrap up its investigation in 2-3 days.
Lovely.
canderson said:Why on earth would the league want this to go away? They'll milk this until media days next week, when about 30 minutes before they issue a release finding "nothing here to see."
Everyone is talking about the NFL in its dead week. This is NFL gold.
Even here he is slimy. What he almost certainly means is "a lawyer from New England". The false implication is that the NEP threatened him. That is almost certainly false because it would be an undeniably brain dead thing to do.Okay ... someone make a list of all SoSH lawyers nicknamed Spanky:
Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 2h 2 hours ago
Ha ha I've got a New England lawyer threatening me with having committed libel. The story/tweet was RIGHT. Bring it on spanky
I'm going to speculate that when the refs inspect the balls prior to the game, they may do a cursory job. Perhaps they test 1 or 2 out of each batch of 12 balls with a pressure gauge, and then do the rest by feel. After all, the refs handle balls all the time, and they probably would know if one was significantly out of spec, but probably wouldn't notice if a ball was inflated to 12.25 psi or 14 psi instead of the 12.5-13.5 psi range stated in the rule book. So does the intern in the GB locker room inflate the balls to 13.75 psi, assuming it wouldn't be noticed? Sure. Could the Pats do something similar (inflating to 12.4 psi)? Sure. Is either a big deal? If you say "yes", I'd have to respond "Seriously, protesters?"EL Jeffe said:Out of curiosity, if that piece is true about ball boys being NFL employees and it's essentially impossible to tamper with a ball unless you "turn" the ball boy, then how does Rodgers/Green Bay get their footballs over-inflated?
You missed the Yahoo story then. According to Yahoo the chain of evidence went Jackson interception--> Colts' Equipment Manager, who only tested the ball and in no way tampered with the pressure at all, --> Colts' Coaching Staff --> League Official. So that ball, in and of itself, is worthless. So Antipatriot Nation can have their conspiracy with confidence.drleather2001 said:We're still waiting for everything related to this story, except the fact that there's an "investigation" about a deflated ball.
So far, we've heard about:
Weighing balls, PSI range, roughing up balls to the passer's liking, Aaron Rodgers, lost draft picks, Spygate, vacated AFC title, Jim Irsay, Jealousy, interception, weather...
Nothing about what in the actual fuck happened except as reported third hand to some Indy reporter.
And, that's the problem. Maybe the NFL wants to do this by-the-book and leave no stone unturned. Fine, that is understandable given recent fuckups. But there's nothing stopping them from releasing a quick statement summarizing what the status is and what they plan on doing to investigate. Or, if had any integrity at all (and assuming it's true) from saying "Lots of balls are removed during game play due to inflation issues. We hope and expect that this is simply one more instance of that. Given the high stakes, however, we are making sure that we are 100% certain that this was the case." Or something.
Instead they continue to allow smoke to gather to the point where even the NFL won't be able to clear the air.
mwonow said:A complete moron who manages to take sports "journalism" to new lows.
Yep, if that's what he wanted, he succeeded.
Then again, his bosses promoted Peter King...
I think he's making reference to how the ball gets flat as the game goes on.drleather2001 said:I'm not sure what Rodgers is saying when he says he has "major problems with the way it goes down".
Is he referring to the Pats, or to the allegation of wrongdoing? Jesus, people, subject/verb agreement matters.
And what does Peyton have to do with it?