#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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soxhop411 said:?
So he's saying he corrected his Tweet to cite the correct name of the foundation, but it seems he still doesn't understand he's completely clueless on who actually runs the Kraft Foundation (after I questioned him on it.) He's a complete and utter moron.
Well, he says he's trying to confirm which Kraft it is.
Edit: never mind, the tweets aren't just replies. I thought they were.
I give him a little credit for not deleting the tweet entirely and acting like he never said it but agree he would be better served to tweet out that he's trying to confirm rather than just letting the thing hang out there.
Edit: never mind, the tweets aren't just replies. I thought they were.
the danger of twitter and "journalism"
who cares if you get the facts correct, just as long as you're first to "print".
who cares if you get the facts correct, just as long as you're first to "print".
What a complete fool.
I figured all of this out yesterday on my own in five minutes. I didn't fucking tweet anything with certainty while I was uncertain. Also, I'm not a member of the media (never mind a writer for the Boston Globe) and don't have to be careful about accuracy.
I'm not 100.0% certain Kraft isn't linked but there's no indication that he is. Plus it doesn't fit his politics as he supported Obama. So I'm 90+% certain.
Seriously, how hard is it to not be terrible at your job?
I figured all of this out yesterday on my own in five minutes. I didn't fucking tweet anything with certainty while I was uncertain. Also, I'm not a member of the media (never mind a writer for the Boston Globe) and don't have to be careful about accuracy.
I'm not 100.0% certain Kraft isn't linked but there's no indication that he is. Plus it doesn't fit his politics as he supported Obama. So I'm 90+% certain.
Seriously, how hard is it to not be terrible at your job?
The danger of having zero journalistic judgment.bankshot1 said:
If you are going to wade into this minefield, you have to know that Kraft the food manufacturer has 1000 good reasons to support the AEI, and that Bob Kraft has none.
He is an immense tool and fool who has no business writing for the Globe. The old Globe -- of Gammons and Montville and Fitzgerald and so forth -- would not allow this clown to deliver the goddamn newspaper.
As for the timetable from Brady's standpoint -- went into this before, and now I will just repeat the bottom line: for solid legal and practical reasons. TB and the Pats don't have to worry about it much in terms of blowing up the back end of the 2015 season.
If it's any saving grace, Volin is getting absolutely hammered on Twitter.
I wonder what his bosses at the Globe will think about this little incident. Having one of their reporters tweet out misinformation doesn't reflect real well on the paper.
I wonder what his bosses at the Globe will think about this little incident. Having one of their reporters tweet out misinformation doesn't reflect real well on the paper.
Thanks on the timeline. Thats what i assumed.dcmissle said:
I don't care one way or the other what Bob Kraft's political leanings are, but so what if he for whatever political reasons was a supporter of the AEI? Does that make the findings of the AEI any less relevant? If Volin had evidence that Kraft sponsored this research, that's different, but because Bob Kraft and the parent company of Cheese Whiz share a common spelling, does not make a strong case for slamming by twitter innuendo.
Volin is a fucking lazy light weight hack.
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Taking the time to do some in depth research, five minutes worth, it looks like Right Wing Watch's source for AEI donors is Source Watch. And given that they list Phillip Morris as a major contributor it seems more likely than no that it's their foundation.amarshal2 said:
Volin is at least smart enough to understand that national outlets (ESPN, NFL Network) will continue to not cover this - unless there is something uncovered to discredit the report. This is a desperate attempt to have the national outlets take notice of who he is. Pathetic really.
I wonder if part of Goodell's insistence of meeting with Brady to hear his grievance is to give himself an out over the whole matter. Roger will have the option to go before the press and say 'I looked him straight in the eye and he was sincere in his heart' type of crap and look generous cutting the suspension down to two games. The tough but fair leader. If I'm Brady though I don't want any suspension time on my resume and I'd fight it all the way.
Lol
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/610162497589506048
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/610162497589506048
link to tweet
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/610162497589506048
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/610162497589506048
link to tweet
The other thing this points up is the utter lack of analytical thought most of the media are willing to put into this--they're much more comfortable in the world of ad hominem attacks.
Thus just occurred to me but I think it's a valid comparison. The Wells report is engaging in the statistical equivalent of a semantic argument. An actual semantic argument would quickly get taken down by much of the media but because this involves numbers their eyes glaze over and they move on.
Thus just occurred to me but I think it's a valid comparison. The Wells report is engaging in the statistical equivalent of a semantic argument. An actual semantic argument would quickly get taken down by much of the media but because this involves numbers their eyes glaze over and they move on.
What sucks is how eager he was to try to find some way to undermine the AEI report, presumably because it blows up a false narrative that so many of he and his ilk have been pushing for the past five months.
Gorton Fisherman said:
Yeah, you know he's not some sort of sterling statistical analysis, but he's always straightforward, has integrity, and is curious enough to at least refer to a variety of bases of analysis. Can't ask for more than that. And I suspect he's fed up with ESPN....
TomTerrific said:
This is a great point.
I expect this may be Felger and Mazz's approach on the radio tomorrow. "All this crazy science! Who can understand it? It's basically just a he-said, she-said between two groups of nerds! Who knows which one is right? But some things we know for sure are: DEFLATOR! HE TOOK BALLS INTO BATHROOM! MCNALLY IS JUST A BAD GUY! BRADY DIDN'T SURRENDER HIS PHONE!!"
That Volin tweet is very revealing. I think it would be pretty obvious to anyone from around here that he had the wrong Kraft, and it's way more than a simple mistake to miss that. He really wanted it to be true so he didn't step back for ten seconds and think or verify or do anything except say "GOTCHA!"
This summarizes the entire deflategate episode, actually, especially how the NFL handled it to begin with. The intercepted ball was measured at an average of 11.5 psi, EXACTLY what you would expect given the ideal gas law, and yet the response was GOTCHAsnowmanny said:
People are piling on here. Yes, Ben has been a little eager at times to implicate the Pats but was pretty fair on the Wells Report itself and anyways is hardly a grievous offender. In this instance, he got a little lazy and eager to be first with a ding on this and got ahead of himself. He admitted he was wrong and apologized to the Krafts.
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GeorgeCostanza said:
I haven't seen any takers, so I'll take that bet. What happens if the penalty is changed to "just a fine, but 0 games"? Is that a push, or a win for you?
amlothi said:
It helps greatly that there's really no political agenda in this - it's just a dumb news story, from a dumb area of pop culture (sports), in a sports area that attracts disproportionate numbers of dumb people (NFL). The AEI has no more of an agenda-driven axe to grind here than if ESPN did a story about how Hillary Clinton was buying a stake in an MLS team.
nighthob said:
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He made a mistake borne of laziness, bias and dishonesty then doubled down before realizing that "oops, I might have fucked this up."Van Everyman said:
And let's be honest: anyone who has ever consumed a Kraft Foods product knew that the logo of the foundation was related to the consumer products company. It takes a special kind of willful stupidity to fuck that up.
He deserves more piling on.
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C'mon AR, it's not like Kraft Foods is that popularly-known a brand or that large a company. The BareNaked Ladies aren't name-checking its products in songs or anything.
Worse than that - who cares if Bob Kraft had been a supporter of the AEI? It was a nonsense point in the first place! The fact that he was wrong should get him a lot of grief but he shouldn't be let off the hook for the baseless cheap shot that he was attempting.snowmanny said:
ESPN has now moved a link (with photos of a bunch of flattened footballs) to Reiss' two-day-old short story on the AEI study to its NFL Home Page, using the headline "Deflating Deflategate: Independent analysis finds Wells report 'deeply flawed' " http://espn.go.com/nfl/
soxhop411 said:
If the Globe had a serious editor they'd suspend him for that. it's just flat-out embarrassing to employ someone at a purported newsgathering organization who lacks both the basic knowledge and the commitment to accuracy to bother to check something like that before posting it publicly.
Ben Volin, you are a joke.
txexile said:
Well, it's a start. Pretty weak sauce though. Still no coverage on their TV channels, at least as far as I have seen. This story deserves at the very least a mention if not a segment on SportsCenter, as well as NFL Live, etc.
Gorton Fisherman said:
Speaking of the political angle, what are the chances that some Republican committee chair will take an interest in holding hearings? It might seem like a waste of time, but a number of years ago, a Democratic committee chair in the House decided to hold hearings into whether one MLB pitcher, Roger Clemens, had used steroids. Actually, I think this answers the question: if someone found that worth the time of the US Congress, anything is possible. Something to think about if the courts decide the CBA does in fact allow the NFL to do whatever it wants.
was Spector a democrat at the time? I thought he was republican. Not that affiliation matters w/re to sports. That's pure localism/grandstanding. In which case it's impossible to imagine a non-NE politician making a stand for the Patriots.dcmissle said:
