#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[Silverdude2167]

Forget if it is possible. Why do it in 90 seconds when you have 5 minutes. 

 

[kartvelo]

 
Who is DA in this lawsuit?

District Attorney - just me being over-dramatic about the scenario.

 

[dcmissle]

Does anyone know if Paul, Weiss was involved in the initial interviews in Boston? It struck me as interesting that they announced PW's involvement on Friday a couple days after the various Patriots employees had been interviewed, leaks were springing all over the place, Schefter had said the league was having trouble finding any evidence of wrongdoing, etc.  My gut reaction is that they brought in Wells to fix a fucked up investigation that the league had started.

I don't know, but I agree with you. The whole operation smacks of amateur hour antics by Goodell underlings with axes to grind.

PW, in my opinion, is still in reactive mode, behind the curve. They have to take the whole operation in house and not let anyone in the NFL office know anything about it, save Goodell and a trusted aide, at most. If you cut the information flow, the leaking will stop eventually. That has not been done.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Back to the T&R statement that the balls were delivered underinflated.  Looking at the transcript of Saturday's BB statement to the press, it seems likely.  The transcript reads:  "When the footballs are delivered to the officials locker room, the officials were asked to inflate them to 12.5 psi."  That certainly suggests that the team knew that the balls were underinflated at the time of delivery and was putting the onus on the officials to correct them.  I can well imagine that the officials felt the balls and decided to do nothing because they felt fine. 

 
Or it suggests that they had no idea of what the pressure in the balls were when they delivered them, but knowing that refs are supposed to check and adjust them if necessary, they asked that if the refs must inflate any balls, to only do it to the minimum required level rather than to 13.0 or 13.5 (as a team like say, the Packers, might request).

 

[JimD]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

 

[Corsi]

It figures a Ravens fan would create a petition to oust Patriots from SB.   40,000 Signatures !!!!!

Scott Latshaw


Jan 27, 2015 — A week later we now know the balls were intentionally deflated in the Raven's game as well. The locker room attendant the NFL has been questioning will eventually spill his guts and make the connection to Brady. Although it's the 11th hour, I will always believe in miracles. Thanks to everyone who signed the petition !!! We made The Sporting News !!!
https://www.change.org/p/nfl-immediately-disqualify-patriots-and-replay-afc-championship-between-the-colts-and-ravens/u/9430226
 

 
this guy hasn't been laid in YEARS

 

[DegenerateSoxFan]

Are you also still waiting for the US Basketball team to get their gold medals from the 1972 Olympics?

No, but I thought that SOMEONE would be willing to be contrarian enough to go all-in and take a giant shit on Goodell, the Colts and all of the shit-slingers.

 

[CoffeeNerdness]

Florio's report also says "roughly 90 seconds."  I'll take the under.

 

[Don Buddin's GS]

Nope just going with the flow--the ball attendant was referred to as "Stevie the ballboy" somewhere upthread and I went with that. 

Since my Quote function may not be working (as others have found to be their case), let me begin by indicating that I'm responding to Don Buddin at #10519.  Please sympathize with me that I've retired to Baltimore (very much remaining a Patriots fan) and so I was tuned into WJZ-FM about a half hour ago when a caller reported (that it had been reported that) the locker room/ball attendant was ...Steve Belichick, of all people.  I had imagined that I have been doing well in keeping up with this enormous thread, and I do believe I'm still seeing references to a not publicly identified attendant.  Accordingly I'm now wondering whether the next silliness-turn of this story is going to be the positive public-identification of the attendant - and I'm wondering if our Don Buddin picked the name Stevie out of his Tochas or whether he had heard someone toss this onto the flame at some point.

 

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

 
True, but that assumes that the Patriots hold on to surveillance video indefinitely.  Pretty rare that that happens.  To do so is generally a waste of tape or hard drive space, especially when there's no compelling reason to save it.  I bet the surveillance system automatically records over old footage after a certain period.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

 
He doesn't pee on Saturdays {religious reasons}.

 

[Leather]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

 
And what would that prove?  
 
A) He did take a piss:  OH LOOK IT'S ALL PART OF A COORDINATED PLAN!
 
B) He didn't take a piss: OH LOOK HE MUST HAVE DONE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!

 

[kartvelo]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

Which, unfortunately, would provide no useful or relevant information.
 
Suppose Steve Belichick only takes the balls into the restroom to deflate them on the days when he's seen gauges used and balls pumped to regulation psi? Suppose he knows that wasn't done at the Balt game, so there was no need to duck into the restroom with his super-spy deflate-o-device?

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

I'm still waiting for some member of the media to point out that no one has produced any evidence whatsoever that the Pats deliberately broke the rules.

Then I remember that these are the same bleating Nancy Grace wannabes that deliberately failed to mention (and still do) that "spygate" wasn't about stealing signals, but simply the location of the camera.

I really hope that the Pats are at least 1/10 as pissed off as I am about this.

 
The only thing that bothers me about Spygate anymore is when local media refuse to learn this, acknowledge it, etc...  Felger and Mazz are a prime example of this.  AT least be knowledgeable about the facts of a major story in the market that you cover.  

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Agree to disagree.

You said you're from CT and can't trust Kraft. Someone questioned your statement and provided reasons to the contrary.

You've yet to provide anything factual as to why Kraft is untrustworthy, but tried backing out of the discussion with the ever smarmy, "agree to disagree."

I think you may suck.

 

[riboflav]

Folks, take a second to realize that the national media is pretty much moving on from this. They got nothin'.
 
ESPN's website has basically moved on from this.
 
All that's left is the trolls. Don't feed the trolls.

 
You and I must be looking at different ESPN homepages.

 

[riboflav]

Which, unfortunately, would provide no useful or relevant information.
 
Suppose Steve Belichick only takes the balls into the restroom to deflate them on the days when he's seen gauges used and balls pumped to regulation psi? Suppose he knows that wasn't done at the Balt game, so there was no need to duck into the restroom with his super-spy deflate-o-device?

 
It's only matter of time before everyone starts to think the bolded is true.

 

[TSC]

 
You and I must be looking at different ESPN homepages.

 
Doesn't ESPN alter its' homepage based on geographic location of the viewer?
 
I thought I heard that. 
 
Kraft is the main story on the ESPN homepage for me, for reference.

 

[Leather]

I refuse to look at ESPN ever again.
 
EDIT: which is really a shame, because I remember back in 2004/2005, it had some fun stuff about the Patriots being in the Superbowl back then.  Pieces from Klosterman, Simmons, other Page 2 writers blogging about Media Day antics etc...
 
Now it's got nothing worth reading.

 

[twibnotes]

I hope the ball boy makes a fortune doing ads for one of those prostate drugs

 

[deanx0]

You said you're from CT and can't trust Kraft. Someone questioned your statement and provided reasons to the contrary.

You've yet to provide anything factual as to why Kraft is untrustworthy, but tried backing out of the discussion with the ever smarmy, "agree to disagree."

I think you may suck.

 
Agree to agree

 

[deanx0]

I have actually seen people compare this to the JFK conspiracy, with the ball boy being the needed Pats patsy. To take the paranoia even further, how do we know there wasn't a second deflater waiting in the bathroom?

 

[BoneForYourJar]

Not to give Goodell's Gang That Can't Shoot Straight any ideas, but it should be a simple matter of checking the security camera footage from the Baltimore game to see if the attendant made a side trip to the bathroom on that day also.

Maybe dude has a little ritual of his own where he has a cup of coffee sometime before the game, and more often than not he ends up needing to take a leak before going out to the sidelines?

 

[Silverdude2167]

I refuse to look at ESPN ever again.
 
EDIT: which is really a shame, because I remember back in 2004/2005, it had some fun stuff about the Patriots being in the Superbowl back then.  Pieces from Klosterman, Simmons, other Page 2 writers blogging about Media Day antics etc...
 
Now it's got nothing worth reading.

Don't worry right now it has a story about all the pieces/players teams need to be a Superbowl team. They have the Jets as the 14 closest team based on good/elite players on their roster and the Colts at 20th.
 
They seriously have a 4-12 team significantly closer to making the Superbowl than the team that lost in the AFC Championship Game (yes I know the Colts have flaws).

 

[kartvelo]

Does anyone really think that BB and RK would have said the things they did, the way they did, if they hadn't already grilled every single person who had any chance at all to come into even momentary contact with those footballs on game day?

 

[Judge Mental13]

 
Who is DA in this lawsuit?

 

 

[DLew On Roids]

Who is DA in this lawsuit?

 
 
Duh.
 

 

[BoneForYourJar]

One of the many ironies in all this is the extent to which Roger's "investigation" and Ball Attendant's restroom procedures (whether deflation or urination) occupy the two opposed extremes of the efficiency spectrum.

 

[wiffleballhero]

When the dust settles there has got to be at least a small part of the Patriots inner group that is going to look back and love an element of this. Is there any other team that has ever been so totally in the heads of their opponents? This make Lucchino calling the Yankees the 'evil empire' seem like simply nothing.
 
But the Pats have got to win this game to drive the stake through the heart of the haters.

 

[Marbleheader]

Can't wait until his tell all book, The Piss Heard Round the World

 

[Curt S Loew]

Too bad the ballboy didn't go into an elevator.  They would have never checked the tape.  This league is a joke.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

 
Who is DA in this lawsuit?

 
HIS FATHER
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX347nrc5IE

 

[Return of the Dewey]

You said you're from CT and can't trust Kraft. Someone questioned your statement and provided reasons to the contrary.

You've yet to provide anything factual as to why Kraft is untrustworthy, but tried backing out of the discussion with the ever smarmy, "agree to disagree."

I think you may suck.

Thanks...you've given me a rooting interest in the SB now.

 

[kartvelo]

When the dust settles there has got to be at least a small part of the Patriots inner group that is going to look back and love an element of this. Is there any other team that has ever been so totally in the heads of their opponents? This make Lucchino calling the Yankees the 'evil empire' seem like simply nothing.
 
But the Pats have got to win this game to drive the stake through the heart of the haters.

Not sure they're in the heads of the Seahawks, but point taken.
 
I've never wanted a win more than I did in Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS. This game's rocketing up the list.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Ted Wells issues statement: DeflateGate investigation could take "at least" several more weeks.


https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/559833298931691520
link to tweet

For christs sake, these guys could fuck up an open bar.

 

[Hoya81]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/27/this-time-patriots-against-world/6SipHYwCYhm8etSQxTVgQI/story.html


Warning: Shaughnessy. Sorry, posting from app.

 

[dcmissle]

For christs sake, these guys could fuck up an open bar.

Per Shelter and me -- the lawyers probably have to redo all the stuff that was done internally by NFL.

That was not an investigation. It was a witch hunt. Stand by my estimate of $2 million.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Thanks...you've given me a rooting interest in the SB now.

Judging from your group thought mentality you've shown, I think you're rooting interest was already established, chief.

 

[Norm loves Vera]

I wonder if the crazy lady in a wedding dress will be there again?
 
NFL.com's live stream of today's SB Media Day @ 12:30
 
http://now.nfl.com/
 
MassLive says it will stream it too starting at Noon
http://www.masslive.com/#/0

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/27/this-time-patriots-against-world/6SipHYwCYhm8etSQxTVgQI/story.html

 
The first rule of posting links is to alert us if it's CHB.  You failed at this.  I don't care what the article says.  I am just pissed that I clicked on it.  

 

[8slim]

Does anyone really think that BB and RK would have said the things they did, the way they did, if they hadn't already grilled every single person who had any chance at all to come into even momentary contact with those footballs on game day?

 
Especially Kraft.
 
There is absolutely no reason for him to say what he did yesterday unless he was supremely confident that the Pats did not engage in anything nefarious.
 
I keep saying this to people who use The-Benign-Signal-Taping-From-The-Sideline-Instead-Of-From-The-Booth Controversey (a.k.a. "Spygate") as the prime example of the Pats cheating heart... They admitted that and accepted the draconian punishment.  They never lied about what they did in that situation.  In the one case where they were confronted with breaking a league rule the organization copped to it, apologized to the other 31 NFL owners, and took their medicine.
 
But they're lying now, because...?

 

[kartvelo]

For christs sake, these guys could fuck up an open bar.

It really depends on what they're investigating. IF this whole affair were all the result of, say, Kensil or someone else with an axe to grind, and IF there's no evidence of any wrongdoing because there wasn't any wrongdoing, and IF there's somebody systematically leaking deliberately misleading info out of the league offices to make the Pats look bad, and IF the investigators are truly independent and interested in getting to the bottom of whatever, as Kraft put it, happened on Sunday, the delay could be excellent  news, and the results could be delicious.
You may say I'm a dreamer...

 

[mpjc]

 
HIS FATHER
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX347nrc5IE

 
i was looking forward to this reference!

 

[Leather]

 
Especially Kraft.
 
There is absolutely no reason for him to say what he did yesterday unless he was supremely confident that the Pats did not engage in anything nefarious.
 
I keep saying this to people who use The-Benign-Signal-Taping-From-The-Sideline-Instead-Of-From-The-Booth Controversey (a.k.a. "Spygate") as the prime example of the Pats cheating heart... They admitted that and accepted the draconian punishment.  They never lied about what they did in that situation.  In the one case where they were confronted with breaking a league rule the organization copped to it, apologized to the other 31 NFL owners, and took their medicine.
 
But they're lying now, because...?

 
Because Bill Belichick is a liar.   Because he cheated that one time.  
 
Try and keep up.

 

[dcmissle]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflate-gate-finally-pushed-good-guy-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-to-blast-the-nfl-054801494-nfl.html

If the above excellent piece has been posted within the last 10 hours, I overlooked it and apologize. Thank you Dan.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

It really depends on what they're investigating. IF this whole affair were all the result of, say, Kensil or someone else with an axe to grind, and IF there's no evidence of any wrongdoing because there wasn't any wrongdoing, and IF there's somebody systematically leaking deliberately misleading info out of the league offices to make the Pats look bad, and IF the investigators are truly independent and interested in getting to the bottom of whatever, as Kraft put it, happened on Sunday, the delay could be excellent  news, and the results could be delicious.
You may say I'm a dreamer...

 
But you're not the only one.

 

[kartvelo]

 
Because Bill Belichick is a liar.   Because he cheated that one time.  
 
Try and keep up.

Don't forget Brady. That lying bastard.

 

[8slim]

 
Because Bill Belichick is a liar.   Because he cheated that one time.  
 
Try and keep up.

 
I know, I know.
 
I go through long stretches of the day actively avoiding this idiotic story, but then submit to random bursts of hearing "news" and getting incredibly pissed off about it.
 
Trying to use logic is a fool's errand.

 

[accidentalsuccess]

Too bad the ballboy didn't go into an elevator.  They would have never checked the tape.  This league is a joke.

Best one in at least 1000 posts.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Don't forget Brady. That lying bastard.

Probably beats his wife, too. I mean, we have no proof he doesn't. And he has plenty of opportunity, he's around her a lot (I assume).