Yeah, there's no way BB is going to stand up there and throw around words like "100%" and all that if they were the least bit afraid of anything being found. And the only way you can be fear-free is to know you didn't do anything. If he were bluffing, that would have to be the most breathtaking gamble in sports history.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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AV Club picks up on NDT's screw-up. They have been back and forth in terms of tone on this whole thing, mostly just mocking all parties involved, which is kind of what they do.
http://www.avclub.com/article/neil-degrasse-tyson-bungles-science-deflate-gate-s-214373?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1
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http://www.avclub.com/article/neil-degrasse-tyson-bungles-science-deflate-gate-s-214373?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1
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Jeez -- does anyone have a way to get a message to Tyson other than through twitter, because I would love to see him reverse what he said if the physics is really wrong. It's not that I think it matters too much, nor do I think it would change too many opinions, but I think if one of the most prominent scientists in the country were to reverse course and change his findings, it really would be encapsulate nicely the entire problem here. If even a well decorated physicist gets it wrong, the entire notion that lawyers and a sports league are going to figure it out seems to be exposed as even more absurd than it already is.
I don't know whether what I'll call the sumner view is correct -- that the idea gas law is required to make the calculation tyson made, and that atmospheric pressure must get tacked on to make that calculation correctly -- but assuming it is, a public reversal by Tyson would be gold.
He actually seems like the kind of guy who would admit it if he were wrong.
I don't know whether what I'll call the sumner view is correct -- that the idea gas law is required to make the calculation tyson made, and that atmospheric pressure must get tacked on to make that calculation correctly -- but assuming it is, a public reversal by Tyson would be gold.
He actually seems like the kind of guy who would admit it if he were wrong.
I'm an engineer (but electrical, so not well-versed in this topic) and I was interested in proving this out myself, so read up on the ideal gas law wiki and watched a couple of examples on Khan Academy. I ended up getting similar results to SumnerH, going from 72F to 50F (but converted to Kelvin) got me a PSI change of about 1.12, assuming 1 atmosphere = 14.7psi. I've had a little too much fun geeking out on it over the past hour.
I'm happy to see some of the responses to NDT's bullshit tweet are already coming in.
I also just found a very interesting read defending BB against NDT and Nye here:
[twitter]DrPhiltill[/twitter]
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/559594246756634625
I'm happy to see some of the responses to NDT's bullshit tweet are already coming in.
I also just found a very interesting read defending BB against NDT and Nye here:
[twitter]DrPhiltill[/twitter]
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/559594246756634625
I have friends who are obviously casual fans so only know about the Patriot's "history" of cheating. When pressed, they can only come up with Spygate...and Deflategate (LOL). I'd like to show them how basically all franchises have been caught cheating, some more than the Pats. Does anyone have a link to a fairly complete history of cheating in the NFL, preferably during the 2001-2015 Patriots run?
Here is what I've been able to come up with off the top of my head
Caught category:
Here is what I've been able to come up with off the top of my head
Caught category:
2003: Tampa Bay Bucaneers - QB Brad Johnson bribed an NFL employee to tamper with all 100 game balls prior to the Super Bowl
2010: Denver Broncos - Head coach and video director fined for videotaping San Francisco 49ers' walkthrough practice
2012: New Orleans Saints - Bounty program
2013: Jets coach intentionally trips punt gunner Nolan Carroll during punt return
2013: Pittsburgh Steelers - Coach Tomlin walks in front of kickoff returner Jacoby Jones, preventing a probable return touchdown
2014: Carolina Panthers and Minnesota Vikings caught heating footballs on the sidelines
PEDs - forget about it
Tampering with players under contract - forget about it
Broncos salary cap violations (1996-1998)
49ers salary cap violations (1998?)
- 2007: Indianapolis Cols - Fake crowd noise
- Other teams also taping a la Spygate leading up to 2007 (Jets, Dolphins, Broncos?)
- Likely 2014-15 NFL MVP, Aaron Rogers, admits to overinflating footballs
djbayko said:
Probably want to change the Brad Johnson thing to admitted rather than caught. To me, "caught" implies found out and penalized, which I don't believe Johnson was. Can probably lump Rodgers and his over-inflated balls into that category as well.
Try this link. Some for everyone!djbayko said:
http://patskrieg.com/2015/01/23/31-reasons-to-get-off-your-high-horse-nfl/
kartvelo said:
Well, yes, I have no idea. I had never heard of the ideal gas law until a few days ago. Nor do I know how Tyson is doing his calculation.
I'm hardly disagreeing with the concept, but it seems to me that if one wanted to say that Tyson was wrong, one would need to do the two things I mentioned in my post. I fully expect that sumner is correct, though I cannot for a moment pretend I have any idea.
bosox431 said:
That's great. At first glance, it seems to include most things from my list, with the obvious exception of PED and anti-tampering violations, but that would likely make the list unwieldy.
The thing about the Glazer report that I have a question about is how long ago was this ballboy a person of interest. It could be that he was under investigation a week ago, but Jay just got the leaked info now.
No doubt in my mind that the leak was tied to Belichick's press conference
No doubt in my mind that the leak was tied to Belichick's press conference
E5 Yaz said:
I would have thought the ballboy was a person of interest starting roughly at halftime a week ago Sunday.
I tend to agree that the NFL's dribbling seems to be timed to keep the "cheated" narrative going, for whatever reason.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
NdT and Bill Nye aren't really scientists, they are purveyors of infotainment. They provide people with dumbed down "I F---ING LOVE SCIENCE!!!" memes and factoids so people can feel smart and show off their "intellectual curiosity". It is extremely telling that given a wonderful opportunity to demonstrate to a huge, captive audience on the everyday applicability of scientific concepts, one of them resorted to homerism, and the other made the same dumb mistake that any other inexperienced layman would while attempting a high school level scientific analysis.
To be fair, and honest, you really can't put Tyson and Nye in the same stratosphere. Tyson is legit, he, or whoever runs his twitter, just fucked up. Nye is useless,Jettisoned said:
Kilgore A. Trout said:
He really should have done that around Christmas time: http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/tech/feat-neil-degrasse-tyson-christmas-newton-tweet/
This guy is as good an ad for an "auto-delete anything referencing this paragon of self-importance" button on Twitter as the Kardashians are...
Marciano490 said:
I knew where you were going but I am dead serious. Given what Goodell has already survived to date, it wouldn't surprise me if he was able to survive that stuff too.
True, but I was just pointing out the difference between Nye and Tyson, not giving any other commentary. Lots reasons of the lack of immediate correction could be happening.E5 Yaz said:
CR67dream said:
Sure, but popstar scientists kind of rub me the wrong way, especially when they are self promoting/trying to be controversial instead of raising awareness to the awesomeness that is science.
Al Zarilla said:
They had Carroll and Seattle players on earlier. It's the Super Bowl
I really hope BB says something to the point that "We've been told by the league to refrain from talking about it, so we can't comment on what the league leakers to Jay Glazer."
CR67dream said:
Yeah, NdT is an author/entertainer but he's also a legit scientist. I expect he'll correct the tweet at some point (and I'm not shocked that his turnaround time is a lot longer than we'd like it to be).
Oh, SOP actual super bowl week press conference to talk about football? What a novel idea!Hoya81 said:
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
You do need to use the absolute pressure (pressure in the ball above perfect vacuum [i.e., zero]), rather than gauge pressure (pressure in the ball above atmospheric pressure). Also, the ideal gas law applies in this set of conditions. There's a real / non-ideal gas law, which is more computationally intensive and doesn't make certain simplifying assumptions made in the ideal gas law (like the assumption that gas molecules have zero volume and collide with each other in a perfectly elastic manner), but the results of that don't differ in any appreciable way from the results of the ideal gas law unless you're talking about some really weird conditions -- ultra-high pressure, extremely small volume, gas that had very different chemical properties from the gases that make up air -- that wouldn't ever be applicable to a football game. So the ideal gas law is perfectly good for estimating what would have happened in the game.
Source: I have an advanced degree in gas-phase physical chemistry (50% chem, 50% physics). That said, I've been out of practice for ages, so I'm sure someone can point out where I'm fucking this up, but I think the general idea is right.
Yep. These days, most law school grads, if they're even fortunate enough to even get a job that requires bar passage, are getting maybe $40k to start as public defenders or low-level insurance defense guys. There are plenty of websites detailing how bad it is, but I generally advise people not to go unless 1) they get into Harvard, Yale or Stanford; 2) they have a full, and I mean FULL scholarship (academic or genetic); or 3) they have connections that will assure them a good job. The public perception does not jive with the reality for about 85% of the lawyers out thereThe Four Peters said: