No idea, but Schefter's reporting the last few days has me optimistic.GregHarris said:yeah how accurate is Shark?
Mark Schofield said:Completely serious question. I have absolutely zero experience/knowledge/familiarity with "Sharks of Vegas." Credible?
Any "punishment" should be less than the Panthers received for incontrovertibly violating the rule. Which was nothing at all.Average Reds said:
Maybe I am misreading the post you responded to, but I think what he was suggesting is that if there is no evidence of actual tampering, the fine should be the minimum outlined in the rules for using footballs that are not up to spec. (Meaning - a minimal fine for a technical violation.)
Maybe I am incorrect but that's how I read it.
Not sure I agree here. His point that BB can be a prick is spot on. The media's hysterical reaction is not just bc of spygate and the pats' success. A lot of it is fueled by the media's hatred of bb. His press conferences consistently reveal his disdain for the media, and you see how these idiots respond when given the chanceTheoShmeo said:Bob Ryan is a great writer. He's also one of the most sanctimonious figures in the media who regularly tells us how to be fans. His views on BB's press conference couldn't be less compelling.
You shouldn't necessarily. Not if you don't want to. They're vegas handicappers? From my emd, I would give the, more credence than say, a NYC bankruptcy lawyer, but that's just me.pedroia'sboys said:Why should we trust that Twitter account?
Lose Remerswaal said:
Interesting stuff, but we've seen science and math show that the decrease wouldn't be enough to lower the pressure by the 2PSI that is being reported through anonymous sources.
bluefenderstrat said:Time is a flat circle.
WayBackVazquez said:https://twitter.com/sharksofvegas/status/558482256227217408
twibnotes said:His point that BB can be a prick is spot on.
Problem there: no one has had the opportunity to do that. Last I heard, no one from the NFL has stepped in front of, or has been willing to step in front of, a room full of microphones, either to issue a statement or to take questions. While those smug-ass Patriots had the audacity to hold not one, but TWO, press conferences. The very gall.......JimD said:
Somebody should ask the NFL - if there was suspicion about a team in the championship game not inflating its footballs properly, why didn't you do the halftime testing in both the AFC *and* the NFC title games?
worse for who?loshjott said:The only way this can end well is the NFL saying "the difference in ball pressure was small enough that it was likely caused by temperature, etc." (which would contradict the first Mort report)
If they say, "there was a difference in ball pressure unlikely to be natural, but we have no evidence of tampering and therefore no penalty" the media frenzy will just get worse.
Laser Show said:Since punishment seems to be trending towards the minor side, my only real concern is how this is affecting the team and it's preparation. I'm hoping for FU mode but I'm worried.
Well I really mean nothing worse than a fine and draft pick loss. Which can be major, but 48 hours ago I was irrationally terrified of MDL's rumor of a BB suspension for the Super Bowl.drleather2001 said:
I am incredibly reluctant to think that punishment is trending light, given that we felt that way yesterday and shit seems to have just gotten worse.
Nothing has been confirmed about anything. All unconfirmed and unnamed sources.McBride11 said:I am sure I have missed it in this mega thread, but the 2 psi change; so the NfL has a log of the pregame pressure test and can compare to the half time test? And has it been confirmed that 'pregame check' means with a pressure gauge or rather the ref grabs it, squeezes it, and says ok good to go.
God I hope I used my semi colon okay.
No thanks, boss. I've read about 85 or 90 pages of this thread. I'm not combing through every page to make sure I haven't missed anything.TomTerrific said:Posted about four pages ago--note the timestamp on the tweet.
READ THE THREAD, SHEEPLE!!
kartvelo said:Any "punishment" should be less than the Panthers received for incontrovertibly violating the rule. Which was nothing at all.
Don't be snarky - Read my post. Context matters.pappymojo said:
Because you have met him before?
WayBackVazquez said:No thanks, boss. I've read about 85 or 90 pages of this thread. I'm not combing through every page to make sure I haven't missed anything.
Or I could not check the last 30 pages as soon as I wake up in the morning. Is this the news only thread or the main board. With all of the hard hitting analysis in here, I'm getting confused.DrewDawg said:Well, you'd really only have to look at things posted since the time stamp on the tweet.
wiffleballhero said:What is the longest SOSH thread?
Burt Reynoldz said:There's a persecution complex going on here which is very strange to me. The Patriots aren't some hated team, at all. If anything, it's the opposite - Old White Men love fawning over The Patriot Way and the Genius of Belichick and whatnot. If this happened to the Seahawks, or the 49ers, or the Cowboys, or the Broncos, or whoever, it would be just as big of a story, especially if it happened right before the Super Bowl, where the media cycle has nothing else to do but report on it.
wiffleballhero said:What is the longest SOSH thread?
But I caught only the second half of the TB PC.Obscure Name said:Follow the money, people...
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/558632248988418048
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
The wrestling thread on P&G is at 509 pages and that was the first place I looked. This one isn't close.
wiffleballhero said:What is the longest SOSH thread?
twibnotes said:Don't be snarky - Read my post. Context matters.
I said bb shows his disdain for the media. In the eyes of the media, he acts like a prick and makes them look stupid.
I have no idea what kind of person bb really is, but if you don't think he pisses off the media, you're nuts
pappymojo said:What we need and haven't received yet:
Confirmation on whether all 36 balls (12 Pats game balls, 12 Pats back up balls, 12 Colts balls) were tested with a gauge before the game, where this testing took place, and whether these results were recorded.
Confirmation on when and where the Pats game balls were tested during the game, whether any other balls were tested, and whether any results were recorded. An additional nice to know would be whether these balls were modified (pumped up again) and where these balls were stored after the testing when they failed the test.
Confirmation on when and where all 36 were tested after the game, and whether any results were recorded.
Failing this information I think there is no way to prove that anyone did anything wrong. I do not trust any leaks through anonymous NFL leaks.
Byrdbrain said:Nothing has been confirmed about anything. All unconfirmed and unnamed sources.
Not sure, I guess it depends on what the actual weather was. Could you please refresh our memories as to what the conditions were.........?WayBackVazquez said:By the way, is there a chance the weather could have affected the PSI?
Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm in an alternate universe with this thread just a little bit. Obviously, I'm guessing here like anyone else. But reading the tea leaves, the story seems to be that the Patriots' game balls had a significant underinflation not likely to be caused by nonhuman factors. The NFL strongly suspects tampering and will impose punishments, possibly including the HC for being captain of the ship or the QB for being the guy intimately involved with the footballs. But of all the weeks when it could do that, this is the one where it simply cannot. NBC paid billions for the game. Pepsi would lose its mind. Vegas would freak. Jimmy G. as QB next Sunday is simply not in the cards, so it will simply ride it out and then start interviewing ballboys and Brady after the game. At which point it will impose harsh penalties for deliberate tampering with the footballs, whether it can find the specific person involved or not.drleather2001 said:I am incredibly reluctant to think that punishment is trending light, given that we felt that way yesterday and shit seems to have just gotten worse.
I have two concerns at this point.Laser Show said:Since punishment seems to be trending towards the minor side, my only real concern is how this is affecting the team and it's preparation. I'm hoping for FU mode but I'm worried.
That bb is or isn't a prick is not the point. All that matters is that the media sees him as a prick. On that front, Ryan is right.pappymojo said:
Wasn't really trying to be snarky. Two things:
(1) I suspect that 98% of the media are pricks themselves.
(2) being a prick to the media doesn't make BB a prick even if that is how who the media reports it.
The Social Chair said:He had Charlie Pierce do it for him
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/brady-belichick-and-great-balls-of-fire-a-front-row-seat-for-the-foxborough-farce/
Average Reds said:
Maybe I am misreading the post you responded to, but I think what he was suggesting is that if there is no evidence of actual tampering, the fine should be the minimum outlined in the rules for using footballs that are not up to spec. (Meaning - a minimal fine for a technical violation.)
Maybe I am incorrect but that's how I read it.
TheoShmeo said:I have two concerns at this point.
One, like yours, is distraction. Undoubtedly all of this nonsense will result in less focus on Seattle than if it did not exist. Even if they put in the same amount of time, they are being asked about it and will be asked about it, and will be devoting mental energy to it. Hell, if the NFL does its job, they will waste several hours of Tom's life.
Two is whether BB's handling of the press conference yesterday has any negative affect on his relationship with Tom, whether in the short or long term.
As to the first question, the optimist in me says they have enough time to spend left in the days before the game. But the concern lingers.
As to the second question, who the hell knows but it would be normal for Brady to have some negative reaction unless their performances were coordinated, which seems likely.