stp said:
Well, this is entertaining. Off topic, but on Bruschi:
I say sign the beast! (Jackson, not Ward)
DeSean Jackson is De Peau Rouge: $24m/3yr. with $16m guaranteed
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Well, this is entertaining. Off topic, but on Bruschi:
I say sign the beast! (Jackson, not Ward)
soxhop411 said:
Huh, I hate that as a Jets fan from what I know, but I think probably part of it is they have to draft a WR fairly high either way and maybe they're scared of Jackson's practice habits rubbing off on him. With Vick already in camp and so much cap room still, I don't know how you don't go after him hard but as many have said, there are quite possibly things we don't know here yet and of course Vick knows him as well as almost anyone presumably.
I said "no" because realistically, the Patriots would have to shuffle the deck to clear out cap space and sign Jackson. I don't see a lot of easy cuts or restructures at this point. I suppose I just want him to stay in the NFC, although going to the Raiders would be fine, too.
Sounds like "John Idzik" guys are the types that hang out in Home Depot parking lots.
Sounds like "John Idzik" guys are the types that hang out in Home Depot parking lots.
10:27am: At least seven teams expressed interest in Jackson’s services on Friday, Pro Football Talk reports (via Twitter). Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News tweets that Jets GM John Idzik did not. The Raiders have been researching Jackson for weeks, NFL.com’s Ian Rapoporttweets, and the team isn’t in a hurry to make a rash decision
Supposedly according to Ed Werder there are 2 mystery teams involved with this now. I'm guessing one is Cleveland based on the obscene amount of money they have available.
I'm not sure if posted this in another thread or no (might have unposted the thought) but don't sleep on the Bengals as the "mystery team". They have tons of money, a very good team, a potential need opposite AJ Green and a willingness to employ those with questionable backgrounds.
soxfan121 said:
Even with Dalton at quarterback, AJ Green and Jackson would be very scary matchup for most teams. AJ Green going deep and taking safeties, Jackson on deep crosses it'd be a nightmare to defend.
Don't forget Ertz and Gresham at TE, Bernard in the backfield and Sanu and Marvin Jones....that's a crapton of talent. Surrounding Dalton with all that, including Green and Jackson, gives him zero excuses. Either he succeeds and the Bengals commit to him long term or they walk away and figure out QB in 2015 with a pick or a FA.
Jackson isn't a fit in New England for more reasons that just Hernandez.
He is small. He has a concussion history. Those two things combine to make him less-than-enthusiastic about going over the middle. Some of his alligator arm "efforts" would have game thread denizens frothing at the mouth.
He has to be paid a lot. Could they do it? Sure. Anything is possible. But I can't figure out a long term deal that's good for both Jackson and the Patriots, given what he was making in Philly and the 2nd tier of the WR salary market.
He wore out his relationship with Kelly in less than a year. Kelly and Belichick are, at the very least, professional friends. One of Kelly's issues was supposedly missed team and/or positional meetings. BB has put guys on IR and sent them home for missing meetings. In fact, missing meetings seems to be one of the cardinal sins in BB's world.
Jackson's best skills are his speed, his ability to go deep and his ability to improvise when a play breaks down. I have never read anything praising his crisp route-running or his ability to diagnose coverages after the snap and make correct sight adjustments. He may be good at those things but they are not the things he is "known" for and are not the things mentioned in his scouting reports.
Add it all together and you have a small, talented, expensive player with an injury history and a reluctance to go over the middle and tendency to not give his best effort either on the field (I remember him flat-out quitting in a game against the Pats several years ago and the game thread bashing he took for it) or in the meeting rooms. His best skills don't match the Patriots offense (Brady rarely "keeps a play alive" and lets a WR improvise) and he got a bad character reference from a trusted colleague.
But yeah...it's Hernandez.
He is small. He has a concussion history. Those two things combine to make him less-than-enthusiastic about going over the middle. Some of his alligator arm "efforts" would have game thread denizens frothing at the mouth.
He has to be paid a lot. Could they do it? Sure. Anything is possible. But I can't figure out a long term deal that's good for both Jackson and the Patriots, given what he was making in Philly and the 2nd tier of the WR salary market.
He wore out his relationship with Kelly in less than a year. Kelly and Belichick are, at the very least, professional friends. One of Kelly's issues was supposedly missed team and/or positional meetings. BB has put guys on IR and sent them home for missing meetings. In fact, missing meetings seems to be one of the cardinal sins in BB's world.
Jackson's best skills are his speed, his ability to go deep and his ability to improvise when a play breaks down. I have never read anything praising his crisp route-running or his ability to diagnose coverages after the snap and make correct sight adjustments. He may be good at those things but they are not the things he is "known" for and are not the things mentioned in his scouting reports.
Add it all together and you have a small, talented, expensive player with an injury history and a reluctance to go over the middle and tendency to not give his best effort either on the field (I remember him flat-out quitting in a game against the Pats several years ago and the game thread bashing he took for it) or in the meeting rooms. His best skills don't match the Patriots offense (Brady rarely "keeps a play alive" and lets a WR improvise) and he got a bad character reference from a trusted colleague.
But yeah...it's Hernandez.
On a skills level he's a good fit. He's versatile, he can spread the field and can return kicks. If he is without the baggage you would certainly find a spot for him. Honestly the big red flag is that the guy blows off team meetings which is a no no for Belichick. No one knows how true the gang thing is but if people in the Eagles are happy he's gone then that's a major flag.
Tim McManus @Tim_McManus 14m
Said a source close to Jackson on Redskins: "Done deal."
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/450831141550194689
Said a source close to Jackson on Redskins: "Done deal."
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/450831141550194689
It appears so.
And WaPo offers dueling columnists. One saying this is the same old road to perdition. The other supportive and offering -- without a hint of embarrassment -- that the Redskins could emerge with ... THE best offense in the NFL.
This can be an absurd place other than politically.
And WaPo offers dueling columnists. One saying this is the same old road to perdition. The other supportive and offering -- without a hint of embarrassment -- that the Redskins could emerge with ... THE best offense in the NFL.
This can be an absurd place other than politically.
soxhop411 said:
If he fits with the team/coach it will be a good signing. Last year they tried to connect with Aldrick Robinson down the field 2-3 times per game. Jackson will be a greater threat and catch more of those balls. Plus, it will open up Garcon and Reed for pass patterns underneath.
One of the few Redskin signings that makes sense. Hopefully they have done their homework on his baggage.
A further thought, if he is in fact signed, watch how this is presented and, specifically, what the Redskins DON'T say.Winger 03 said:
There is no doubt that a healthy Garçon and focused DJax would be very formidable. if the signing is pitched in an understated way -- we're just trying to get better -- the cue will have been taken from Allen and Gruden.
If there are the histrionics of days gone by -- we da best -- and whispers about how this is payback for Donovan McNabb, then you're looking at vintage Danny Snyder bs.
It will be the former is my guess, but you'll have to wait. I still can't get over our drunk columnist (best offense in NFL, maybe)
The "best in the NFL" talk is silly. They won 3 games!
As a ticket-holder, I am happy if this goes through. I want wins and do not much care what happens the other 165 hours per week with these guys.
As a ticket-holder, I am happy if this goes through. I want wins and do not much care what happens the other 165 hours per week with these guys.
One thing RGIII just ran out of is excuses.Winger 03 said:
Two outstanding WRs, a terrific young TE, a beast at RB, an o-line that has been beefed up this offseason and should get deeper via the draft. Both Shanahans gone.
Not "da best" but more than sufficient if you, the QB, are even close to the top tier of QBs.
Jordan Reed and Fred Morris do make this IMO the best offense in the NFC. If you think about it what are they missing? They have Jackson and Garçon on the outside to complement all of this. If RG3 is healthy then that probably makes them offensively the best in the conference. Too bad for them that their defense is horrid. They'll finish 7-9 next year. Nothing to see heredcmissle said:
Yes the D is really poor, but in some way they just got better not having to face Jackson 2x per year. 
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)Tyrone Biggums said:
I like Gruden, so I'm pretty bullish, but there are still huge question marks on the offensive line, and whether or not Griffin is truly healthy -- depending on how we want to define that -- is far from a given. On top of that, you have players trying to learn a rookie head coach's new system. The ceiling is undoubtedly high, but this wouldn't be the first time that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.Tyrone Biggums said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
A QB that has proven he can stay healthy and effective all season? Last season, only 2 NFC teams scored fewer points (NYG and TB). Now, with the signing of one WR they're the best in the NFC?
I understand that you're making a prediction, but it seems a bit hyperbolic to bump them up that high already.
It's OK to get excited but this is the third best offense in the NFC East, Dallas can score with the best of them and Philly's offense has just dropped some but Shady is a ridiculous talent.DrewDawg said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
DrewDawg said:
ShaneTrot said:
Agree with DD and Shane. Cowboys, Saints, Bears, and Packers are all certainly better, and Lions and Eagles will score more points than Redskins, too.
There is a weakness -- pass pro.
It was masked 2 years ago when RGIII resembled a young Vick and the read-option bamboozled everybody. Now it bamboozles nobody and RGIII may never be a young Vick again, or if he is, for not long.
In any case, giving the Redskins an edge over offenses led by Rodgers and Brees is a bit much.
Nice contract from the Redkins' standpoint, though. When Danny was in his heyday, both the top and bottom lines would have been 50 more, just because.
It was masked 2 years ago when RGIII resembled a young Vick and the read-option bamboozled everybody. Now it bamboozles nobody and RGIII may never be a young Vick again, or if he is, for not long.
In any case, giving the Redskins an edge over offenses led by Rodgers and Brees is a bit much.
Nice contract from the Redkins' standpoint, though. When Danny was in his heyday, both the top and bottom lines would have been 50 more, just because.
dcmissle said:
Why the qualifier?
At least one local news station broke into last night's coverage of the mayor getting bounced from office in the Dem primary to announce the signing.
Fairly early in Jim Boeheim's tenure, I was in school in upstate NY. At a time when the world was a very dangerous place, a Syracuse TV station interrupted coverage with a news bulletin. Pre-tournaments, the Orangemen had claimed the top spot in an AP poll.loshjott said:
Same insufferable mentality.
Too funny.
Crips Release DeSean Jackson Over Concern About His Affiliation with Washington Redskins Organization.
http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/04/crips-release-desean-jackson-concern-affiliation-washington-redskins-organization
Crips Release DeSean Jackson Over Concern About His Affiliation with Washington Redskins Organization.
http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/04/crips-release-desean-jackson-concern-affiliation-washington-redskins-organization