DeSean Jackson is De Peau Rouge: $24m/3yr. with $16m guaranteed

Should Patriots explore signing Jackson?

  • No (gang issues being main reason)

    Votes: 26 27.4%
  • No (non gang-related off the field issues being main reason)

    Votes: 33 34.7%
  • Not sure (need more info)

    Votes: 13 13.7%
  • Yes (at least do the due diligence)

    Votes: 23 24.2%
  • Yes (he's still young and is a legit #1 WR)

    Votes: 15 15.8%

  • Total voters
    95

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Off-topic. Gunfighter 09, as a Raiders fan, why the hell did they give Marcel Reece a multi-year contract last year? And more importantly, why the hell wasn't he involved in the offensive game plan more?
 
I'm asking purely as a card-carrying Marcel Reece Fanboy Club (hi SF121).
 

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Off-topic. Gunfighter 09, as a Raiders fan, why the hell did they give Marcel Reece a multi-year contract last year? And more importantly, why the hell wasn't he involved in the offensive game plan more?
 
I'm asking purely as a card-carrying Marcel Reece Fanboy Club (hi SF121).
 
They had to spend some money and Reece was probably willing to sign a deal. Houston and Veldheer weren't because the Raiders have had to overspend to replace both. McKenzie has a near impossible task there, working for Bowl Cut, with a tarnished brand and a dearth of talent. He probably begged Reece to stay and Reece is obviously such a wonderful human being and football player that he couldn't say no. 
 
Oh, he will be ours at the end of his contract. He will be ours.
 

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They had to spend some money and Reece was probably willing to sign a deal. Houston and Veldheer weren't because the Raiders have had to overspend to replace both. McKenzie has a near impossible task there, working for Bowl Cut, with a tarnished brand and a dearth of talent. He probably begged Reece to stay and Reece is obviously such a wonderful human being and football player that he couldn't say no. 
 
Oh, he will be ours at the end of his contract. He will be ours.
You shut your dirty mouth.

I am curious why BB didn't throw some coin McFadden's way. The contract that he came back for is obscenely low and he is the ultimate boom/bust player.
 

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You shut your dirty mouth.

I am curious why BB didn't throw some coin McFadden's way. The contract that he came back for is obscenely low and he is the ultimate boom/bust player.
 
McFadden has a reputation for being soft.  Belichick generally doesn't go after guys like that.
 

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The beat writer in question (Jimmy I assume?) was the guy who started it all with some idle speculation.
 
Then because no one has denied it it's picked up steam, I agree Schefter engaging in it makes it more possible. Anyway we shall see, if they love a receiver in the draft and get him I could see that. I could absolutely see them not really wanting him past this year. But it's not like he's overpaid and under producing and I would be surprised if they wanted to go into next year with only Cooper and question marks.
 
If they sign a rookie and Maclin is healthy and signs an extension sure fine maybe. Right now? There are not a lot of obvious replacements. Now I think Maclin is going to be amazing in this offence and if he had been signed long term (as they wanted) fine but they didn't.
 
If the Eagles can upgrade the other safety spot and add a NT and a pass rusher they sure look like a playoff team. Sans Jackson you are 100% on a guy off an ACL tear for your deep threat.
Now Jeff McLane of Inquirer, who was adamant that Jackson was staying put, says he is as good as gone.

Never say never, but the Patriots in on a big dollar guy who is beefing 2 years into a 5-year deal? Don't think so. Jets or Raiders written all over him.
 

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Could the Jets be hit with a tampering charge?
 
RT @HubbuchNYP Woody Johnson confirms the Jets are looking to trade for DeSean Jackson. By name.
 
(more quotes from Woody, but I cant find them ATM)
 

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Yeah DC it looks like there is a lot more to it than I thought. He must be a total pain in the ass because he's not easy to replace and there isn't anyone out there to immediately replace him.
If you're cutting him and then taking a WR in the draft early I wish they had been more aggressive with either say Revis or Byrd to address the other side.
 
If they addressed some defensive holes with the cap space they (still) have then I'd feel a lot better about cutting a problem early and replacing him in a very good WR draft. But the Eagles need a NT (at least depth) help all over at linebacker (though maybe not a starter given Ryans, Kendrick, Barwin and Cole isn't a complete disaster). The corners are ok. Not a disaster and usually look worse when the pass rush struggles (which it did a lot) and who doesn't. The Saftey spot has one major upgrade so far, but needs another most likely.
 
I was kind of hoping that this noise was noise but that it showed Jackson that he isn't underpaid at all and needs to shut the hell up.
 
That looks increasingly unlikely.
 
I was reading that Jackson has not been answering or returning Kelly's calls but complaining no one is telling him what's going on. I mean WTF dude. It's hard to keep you in the loop if you are screening him and not calling back.
 

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Looks like he'll be dealt or cut this week--but no Patriot chatter. I think he's a worthy one year rental on a Revis-type $10M deal. (Moss got $9M.)
 

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Seems really idiotic for someone to say while he is still tied to another team
There are reports that the Eagles have talked to some teams already, in which case I doubt tampering is an issue. If anything, it helps the Eagles build some trade value. Ultimately, I think he'll be released.
 

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Yup, so DeSean Jackson definitely isn't coming to the Patriots.

 
PHILADELPHIA -- Over the past several weeks, the Philadelphia Eagles reportedly have begun to shop wide receiver DeSean Jackson.
On its face, the decision to trade one of the NFL's most talented players would seem curious: At 27, Jackson is coming off one of the best seasons of his career -- 82 catches for 1,332 yards and nine touchdowns. Plus, he's a playmaker who should thrive for seasons to come in head coach Chip Kelly's fast-paced offense.
Yet the Eagles' apparent interest in jettisoning Jackson likely has little to do with his performance on the field or a big-money contract that could squeeze the team's salary cap. Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it's Jackson's off-field behavior that concerns the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly are the reasons, sources told NJ.com. And when the Eagles looked more deeply into why Jackson was missing meetings, they found that his friends were becoming a more powerful -- and negative -- influence in his life.
Now the Eagles have even more serious concerns -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010.
Ever since New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was arrested and charged with first-degree murder last summer, NFL franchises have been reevaluating how closely they needed to watch their players away from the field. And what Eagles executives see in Jackson, a six-year veteran, is apparently a potential blight on the brand and a bad influence in the locker room.
As a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: "They are concerned about having him around the younger players."
 
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html
 

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Well screw trading. The Eagles cut him outright.
There are clear reports from schefter who is pretty credible that they had offers for him but decided to cut him.

What the fuck.

I guess they are really scared about the gang links and Hernandez style risks. It's pretty amazing that they cut him, that suggests they wanted to send a strong message to distance themselves from him.

Wow.

As an eagles fan I don't know what to make of this. They now have a ton of cap space so glad they didn't go after Revis or Byrd.

Again

What. The. Fuck.
 

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I still think the Pats do due dillegence here. Probably won't be coming but there is a huge difference between Britt and Jackson.
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
I still think the Pats do due dillegence here. Probably won't be coming but there is a huge difference between Britt and Jackson.
 
Now that there is info out there linking Jackson to gangs, how do you reconcile your thoughts on the Pats performing diligence in light of AH?
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
I still think the Pats do due dillegence here. Probably won't be coming but there is a huge difference between Britt and Jackson.
Fair line probably 300-1 against.
 

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Now that there is info out there linking Jackson to gangs, how do you reconcile your thoughts on the Pats performing diligence in light of AH?
It's a nerve wracking thing which is why I'm not advocating them getting him. However how many times has Britt gone up to NJ and broken the law. Perhaps the best place for him is KC with Andy Reid if he really has fallen into a Hernandez type of routine.
 

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So it sounds like Oakland would be the absolute worst place for Jackson.  
 
How much do you think they give him?
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
It's a nerve wracking thing which is why I'm not advocating them getting him. However how many times has Britt gone up to NJ and broken the law. Perhaps the best place for him is KC with Andy Reid if he really has fallen into a Hernandez type of routine.
 
Right but speeding tickets are demonstrably different than players who are known to associate with gangs, especially when said gangs are linked to two murders.
 

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Even if he is connected to gangs and murderers, why not just trade him if you had offers? Get something for him at least.
 
How much trade value did he have once the linked article came out?  How long could the Eagles hang onto him without people asking them if he was the new Aaron Hernandez?  
 
Now, if they knew this article was coming and failed to close the trade before it did, that's mismanagement.
 

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Right but speeding tickets are demonstrably different than players who are known to associate with gangs, especially when said gangs are linked to two murders.
True, but did Jackson have anything to do with the murders? I'm sure if you go down the list of NFL players the amount that associate themselves with gangs is probably more than Jackson and Hernandez
 

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True, but did Jackson have anything to do with the murders? I'm sure if you go down the list of NFL players the amount that associate themselves with gangs is probably more than Jackson and Hernandez
 
Yeah, the Pats should probably stay away from those players too.
 

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Mystic Merlin said:
 
Yeah, the Pats should probably stay away from those players too.
 
And Brady thinks he has trouble finding someone to give him a high-five now
 

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Yeah, the Pats should probably stay away from those players too.
How do you know that Hernandez was the only one in the locker room that ever associated with a gang? It's a valid question. Could be players currently on the team that might have friends in gangs too...you really don't know until something happens.
 

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How do you know that Hernandez was the only one in the locker room that ever associated with a gang? It's a valid question. Could be players currently on the team that might have friends in gangs too...you really don't know until something happens.
 
I don't know.  What's your point?  Is your position that, because there might be players on the Pats that have gang connections unknown to the team, that the Pats should not consider it when they look at players they know, or have some basis to believe, have gang connections? 
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
How do you know that Hernandez was the only one in the locker room that ever associated with a gang? It's a valid question. Could be players currently on the team that might have friends in gangs too...you really don't know until something happens.
 
It is a valid question.  But, in context of Jackson's release and in the wake of the AH saga, I would think the Patriots would not perform any diligence on Jackson.  You think otherwise and I would imagine most people are going to disagree with you.
 

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It is a valid question.  But, in context of Jackson's release and in the wake of the AH saga, I would think the Patriots would not perform any diligence on Jackson.  You think otherwise and I would imagine most people are going to disagree with you.
I would like to reiterate that I'm not advocating signing the guy. As of right now there is no hard evidence linking this guy to gangs. Does he have ties? Probably. That's why you do your homework not only on the person on the field but off of it as well. By doing their due diligence any team in the NFL should be able to figure out if he's a Hernandez threat or if it's something much less. Aside from his strange break in at his house last year I haven't heard much about him.
 

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Guys, let's use some common sense here.  Aaron Hernandez was tied to gangs and eventually was arrested for murder.  They cut him the second he was even implicated in something like this.  Some of you think that they will even entertain the thought of DeSean Jackson after what we know now? 
 

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It's largely irrelevant since he'll just sign with a team who will obviously give him more money. i.e. the Raiders. He's not coming to New England for a guaranteed 5 million.
 

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So what team would realistically take a shot here? It's got to be a team with either a strong or a desperate coach/locker room, or one where the coach thinks he's made of Teflon, right?
 
Raiders, Jets, Seahawks?
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
I would like to reiterate that I'm not advocating signing the guy. As of right now there is no hard evidence linking this guy to gangs. Does he have ties? Probably. That's why you do your homework not only on the person on the field but off of it as well. By doing their due diligence any team in the NFL should be able to figure out if he's a Hernandez threat or if it's something much less. Aside from his strange break in at his house last year I haven't heard much about him.
Actually there is since Theron Shakir, a member of the crips, is on his record label according to the link I posted.
 

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Given what the article said about why his label was called Jaccpot, perhaps this thread should be called "Desean Jaccson on the blocc?"