You know the drill, brother. Value palooza. "Massive over-reaction" on Chip's part.RedOctober3829 said:
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Right about now, Bruce Allen has Snyder by one arm, Jay Gruden has the other one, and Danny's cell phone is on the table.
DeSean Jackson is De Peau Rouge: $24m/3yr. with $16m guaranteed
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Right about now, Bruce Allen has Snyder by one arm, Jay Gruden has the other one, and Danny's cell phone is on the table.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10688994
Bruschi and Jaws on the release. Bruschi says this has been the trend this year, to not let players affect the locker room in a negative manner.
Bruschi and Jaws on the release. Bruschi says this has been the trend this year, to not let players affect the locker room in a negative manner.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 8m
And now up to 6 teams already calling on DeSean Jackson. And counting.
And now up to 6 teams already calling on DeSean Jackson. And counting.
No he won't. He has no grounds to sue. They can release him from his contract at any time.soxhop411 said:
Why? They can cut him for any reason and they did not say gangs were involved.
There's no lawsuit here.
I just don't understand why they didn't take a pick if one was on the table. That's the most bizarre part.
There's no lawsuit here.
I just don't understand why they didn't take a pick if one was on the table. That's the most bizarre part.
RedOctober3829 said:
mpx42 said:
Michael McCann @McCannSportsLaw 29mLondonSox said:
If gang tie accusation is untrue & source can be found, DeSean Jackson would win a defamation lawsuit. If true, he should make life changes.
I see. Think he'd have a hard time winning that case suing the press, unless it was all blatant lies.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
There is no way you'd be able to tell from the article whether or not there was actual malice, unless the author actually said "I'm making all of this up." DeSean would need to prove he knew the information was false or used "reckless disregard" in his reporting. We'd have to examine case law to better define the latter.
McCann is a well-respected Sports law guy, but I don't understand his tweet. The fact alone that it could be false does not make this defamation. A normally reliable and well-placed source could have given him bad info. Maybe he was saying if they found the source and the source said "I never told him that," but that seems pretty obvious. It's probably just the character limit on Twitter making it unclear.
Tyrone Biggums said:
Nobody is saying that you are but you are advocating the Patriots performing diligence on the guy. All of us are saying, in the wake of AH, NE will not perform any diligence for a guy they know they will not sign. The PR will not justify any diligence.
Oh, and there is evidence of Jackson's ties. That is part of the stated reason for the Eagles cutting him.
Florio is floating a Jackson-to-the-Patriots rumor around(seen here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/28/chase-for-desean-jackson-can-begin-immediately/).
Honestly, I can't believe he or any member of the media could be that stupid.
Honestly, I can't believe he or any member of the media could be that stupid.
Dogman2 said:
The reports are from NJ.com, though. If BB and Kraft can get past or think they can create an atmosphere where Jackson would be less of a pain in the ass, I'd think the next step would be to try to get more information from others regarding the NJ.com report. I'm sure BB has already spoken to Kelly, so if they have any serious red flags regarding the gang ties, I'm sure they've been made aware. If Kelly told BB that the story was the first they heard of the ties, I'm sure BB and Kraft would then be following up to check on the validity and the extent of the connection. If it's as simple as one of them shares a record label, I think they could probably move past that.
Overstating it a bit, aren't you? He's just mentioning them as someone who may express interest. I'd honestly be surprised if they didn't at least send out some feelers to get a better picture.
I think Patriots should continue to do due diligence on Jackson.
Are the supposed gang-ties be a factor in NE eventually passing on DJax? Most likely. But:
1) The article probably made the scrutiny even greater, with a higher-powered magnifying glass
2) Shouldn't count out DJax maturing even a bit to keep any of those ties away -- geography would help
3) A prove-it contract that makes it very easy to cut him with any signs of trouble
I can think of even more reasons not to sign the receiver (Chip & BB having close ties for one), but it'd be "mismanagement" on BB's part not to look into this further.
NE has been a bit of a half-way house of sorts, where previous malcontents come into clean up their image, keep their nose clean and give themselves a better chance of landing a bigger contract.
AH represents one end, Moss and Talib the other. I do think AH is an extreme outlier, and DJax should be looked into if he's anywhere in between.
Are the supposed gang-ties be a factor in NE eventually passing on DJax? Most likely. But:
1) The article probably made the scrutiny even greater, with a higher-powered magnifying glass
2) Shouldn't count out DJax maturing even a bit to keep any of those ties away -- geography would help
3) A prove-it contract that makes it very easy to cut him with any signs of trouble
I can think of even more reasons not to sign the receiver (Chip & BB having close ties for one), but it'd be "mismanagement" on BB's part not to look into this further.
NE has been a bit of a half-way house of sorts, where previous malcontents come into clean up their image, keep their nose clean and give themselves a better chance of landing a bigger contract.
AH represents one end, Moss and Talib the other. I do think AH is an extreme outlier, and DJax should be looked into if he's anywhere in between.
DJax, predictably, denies gang relations: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337809/article/desean-jackson-i-am-not-a-gang-member
And Myra from the grave.
There is something more fundamental here. BB reportedly thinks the world of Chip Kelly. If true, Kelly cutting him is, presumptively, for good and sufficient reason that applies equally in Foxboro. It's not as if Philly has no use for Jackson's talents or cannot afford him.
There is something more fundamental here. BB reportedly thinks the world of Chip Kelly. If true, Kelly cutting him is, presumptively, for good and sufficient reason that applies equally in Foxboro. It's not as if Philly has no use for Jackson's talents or cannot afford him.
The ESPN article references the Eagles being concerned about trading to teams w/out full disclosure and/or more skeleltons coming out the of closet. I'm a lawyer, and I don't know a lot about contracts, but that doesn't really add up to me. I think it may just be PR. We want him gone ASAP. We'll lose out on a draft pick, but at least he's gone right this second.ThePrideofShiner said:
Gregg Rosenthal, a Pats fan and NFL Editor-in-Chief has Pats as a "long shot" landing spot: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337812/article/potential-landing-spots-for-desean-jackson
1. Raiders
2. Jets
3. 49ers
4. Chiefs
-- long shots --
5 Pats
6 & 7. Chargers & Seahawks
8. Panthers
1. Raiders
2. Jets
3. 49ers
4. Chiefs
-- long shots --
5 Pats
6 & 7. Chargers & Seahawks
8. Panthers
Ignoring the off-the-field, is Jackson a fit on-the-field?
I ask, because the weakness of this passing game isn't smallish slot-type receivers who make plays from 20 to 20, it's bigger body receivers who make plays in the red area.
I don't care if Jackson spends his free time tutoring children and washing the feet of the homeless, I don't think he's a fit for this roster.
I ask, because the weakness of this passing game isn't smallish slot-type receivers who make plays from 20 to 20, it's bigger body receivers who make plays in the red area.
I don't care if Jackson spends his free time tutoring children and washing the feet of the homeless, I don't think he's a fit for this roster.
dcmissle said:
My point is that sort of pre-supposes that there is more nasty dirt we are not privvy to and they think would skunk any deal if not public. The NJ article is public.
mascho said:
Jackson had 18th best Y/Rec last year with 16.2/rec. (min. 25% snaps).
You'd have to go way, way down to 41st to find the first Patriot, Thompkins with 14.6/rec.
I think it'd be a stretch to say DJax wasn't a good fit for almost any offense, including this one (off-field issues aside).
Could all this just be a simple case of the Eagles offense not really needing Jackson (and using the cap savings on the defense) and have nothing to do with supposed gang ties? He's great and all but I feel like the Eagles will have an elite offense regardless of what Jackson gives them.
SeoulSoxFan said:
I didn't say he wasn't a good fit for this offense, I said he wasn't a good fit for this roster. Slight difference. With Edelman and Amendola both back, and Boyce waiting in the wings, I don't think Jackson fits their needs. Had they let Edelman walk or cut Amendola, different story.
With this team's current needs their money is best spent elsewhere.
OK. Not an expert but how does cutting him today affect future cap hits relative to cutting him a month ago or after June 1?dcmissle said:
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 19s
Worth mentioning -- It wasn't the media connecting Jackson to unsavory characters in the http://nj.com story. It was the LAPD.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/449632223348940800
Worth mentioning -- It wasn't the media connecting Jackson to unsavory characters in the http://nj.com story. It was the LAPD.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/449632223348940800
No, he is an incredible, game-changing player. Any offense could use him assuming he is motivated.Klostrophobic said:
But the cap savings ($6.5m just this year I think) combined with missing practices and not getting along with the coach can certainly be enough to let him go whether or not they are actually worried about him killing someone.
Unfortunately because of Hernandez, the media will never let the gang thing go and will leap to every possible conclusion even if there are perfectly defensible reasons for cutting him.
A parallel is Ray Rice. He was just indicted for aggravated assault and he had a terrible season last year. The team has Bernard Pierce who could do a fine job (assuming they fix the line). But his contract is structured such that cutting him would raise his cap hit by $5.5m, if overthecap is to be believed. Therefore, they're sticking with him and hoping his domestic violence issue blows over and is ignored (and he starts playing better again).
It seems like there is a lot of off-field stuff a team will tolerate if the player is good enough and a good value. Jackson is great, but highly-paid.
mascho said:
I hear ya mascho. I think that with his Y/Rec numbers he could fill that x-wideout role, although he may not be the prototypical vertical receiver.
We'll see how much he can get on the market, but with the supposed list of interested teams you may be completely right in Pats resources better spent elsewhere (you know, like locking up Wendell for two years).
Teams can designate two pre-6/1 cuts as post-6/1 cuts for purposes of spreading out dead money hits. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here.dcmissle said:
dcmissle said:
Bingo.
There's all sorts of smoke around this guy. The fact he just came off his best season is not a point in his favor.
This reminds Iggles fans of Buddy Ryan cutting a young Cris Carter 25 years ago to wake him up to his drug problems. Carter was forever grateful and went on to a HOF career. DeSean Jackson gave the Iggles a few good years but we are about over him. HOF talent, hoodlum personality from the beginning.
Got to like that Chip Kelly is keeping the character guys like Maclin over a prima donna.
Got to like that Chip Kelly is keeping the character guys like Maclin over a prima donna.
I don't disagree with that. I disagree with waiting until the prime free agents are signed to do it.
If (as some claim) this was a done deal some time ago, I can get on board esp given its the right time to do it for the cap dead money hit and the wr depth in the draft. It makes a lot less sense to not go after some defensive difference makers instead of having unused cap space and having to sacrifice defense for wr in the draft.
I guess that's what I really struggle with.
That and not taking a draft pick
If (as some claim) this was a done deal some time ago, I can get on board esp given its the right time to do it for the cap dead money hit and the wr depth in the draft. It makes a lot less sense to not go after some defensive difference makers instead of having unused cap space and having to sacrifice defense for wr in the draft.
I guess that's what I really struggle with.
That and not taking a draft pick
terrynever said:
Speaking of character guys, he also kept Riley Cooper, don't forget about him.
I think the timing of the move is what makes it pretty dumb. They did it too late to spend the money, too early to save on the cap even further. Maybe there's some security footage about to be released somewhere.
Wouldn't count anything out at this point. The robbery at DeSean's home seemed a little suspect. Philly's a tough town. I just think the Eagles are declining to enable this kid any longer. Forget about the timing of stuff. They just want to go on without the 170-pound kid who is bound to get knocked into outer space one of these years.timelysarcasm said:
And character guys? We're talking pro football here. 15 of every 45 roster players are tough cases. You're lucky if 15 are good citizens and the 15 in the middle are willing to serve as go-betweens.
I, for one, would not mind if Jackson's career imitated Carter's from here on out.terrynever said:
Cris Carter caught 11 TD passes in his final Eagles season, at age 24. I continue to be amazed that Buddy Ryan took such a stand. And maybe we can read something into how the league has changed since then.
Also tweeted by Rand, an interesting read on Jackson's background: http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/desean-jackson-walks-gangsters
My gut feeling is that Jackson's a very different case than AH. Most likely just the dollar figures won't work, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a tremendous season in 2014.