I know we all like to denigrate anything or anyone associated with the New York Yankees, but if you take off your Red Sox Glasses for a minute, do you think Jeter should be in the Hall of Fame?
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:Is this a serious question?
Aside from the insignia on his hat and uniform, what would hold Derek Jeter back from being a first-ballot, slam dunk Hall of Famer?
Kliq said:He could very well be the second best SS of all-time. I said this in the retirement thread, but outside of Wagner, you could easily make the case that he had the greatest overall career of any other Shortstop. Ripken was good but never great, Banks and A-Rod switched positions mid-career. Then you have Yount, Cronin, Ozzie Smith. Is Jeter any worse than those guys?
Adirondack jack said:
Mostly I agree. He will definitely be in on the first ballot and as someone mentioned yesterday perhaps be the first unanimous inductee.
But, if Jeter spent his career in Kansas City I very much doubt he would get the respect he current receives and would/could be more of a fringe candidate.
Kliq said:He could very well be the second best SS of all-time. I said this in the retirement thread, but outside of Wagner, you could easily make the case that he had the greatest overall career of any other Shortstop. Ripken was good but never great, Banks and A-Rod switched positions mid-career. Then you have Yount, Cronin, Ozzie Smith. Is Jeter any worse than those guys?
Merkle's Boner said:He already did play in KC. He was named George Brett. And he got over 98% of the HOF votes.
EvilEmpire said:If he played in KC he definitely wouldn't have almost a full season's worth of excellent post-season stats. So yeah, that's probably true.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Seriously? Because if he hit like this--as a shortstop--in KC: .312/.386/.446 he'd still go to the Hall of Fame in a landslide.
Lose was thinking of bailing on his wife for Valentine's Day, and now he can tell her he got stuck under a pile-on on the Internet.The Allented Mr Ripley said:What prompted this stupid question?
Just to clarify what I posted earlier, I was referring to the "I very much doubt he would get the respect he current receives" and not the "would/could be more of a fringe candidate" part of AJ's post.Was (Not Wasdin) said:His regular season numbers are .312/.386/.446, and his postseason numbers (over 158 games, so basically a full season to EvilEmpire's point) are .308/.374/.465. That is remarkably consistent, given the fact that the pitching in the postseason is likely to be so much better.
Brianish said:What's really astonishing is that he's perhaps the most overrated player of his generation, but even once you take that into account, he's an absolute, first ballot HoF.
Kliq said:He could very well be the second best SS of all-time. I said this in the retirement thread, but outside of Wagner, you could easily make the case that he had the greatest overall career of any other Shortstop. Ripken was good but never great, Banks and A-Rod switched positions mid-career. Then you have Yount, Cronin, Ozzie Smith. Is Jeter any worse than those guys?
Brett was better, and I say that as a Yankee fan. Power hitter, great hitter, excellent in the field. He is more of a legend than Jeter will ever be.glennhoffmania said:
Someone older who saw more of Brett in his prime can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Brett was a much better player than Jeter, especially if you look at their prime years.
Brickowski said:What made Jeter great IMHO was his ability to rise to the occasion. That play in Oakland to nail Jeremy Giambi at the plate is a case in point. I don't recall Jeter ever making a dumb play or a routine error on the big stage. He probably did, but I can't remember a single one.
mabrowndog said:
Ding, ding, ding. The way he's mentioned in the same breath as Ruth, Dimaggio, Gehrig and Mantle among Yankee greats is beyond the pale, and completely misses the point of (a) how dominant those other players were in their respective eras, and (b) that each of them to varying degrees changed the way the game is played. But yeah, there's no question Jeter belongs in the hall.
Corsi said:He's not even overrated. This may be the stupidest thread in the history of this forum.
Was (Not Wasdin) said:
WAR (BRef) really doesn't like his defense. O WAR has him as the 21st best player of all time, by WAR for position players he drops all the way to 58th. That is a Manny-esque drop (Manny goes from 31st by O WAR to 70th by position player WAR).