Yes and there were another half dozen glaring plays like that. I've never seen Marcus so off his defensive game in a 4th Quarter
This is also why the whining about the time in the media and by Heat fans makes no sense. Horford didn’t foul Butler on the arms, so the only foul that could’ve been called was the hand on the back, and that began at 3 seconds. At the latest the foul happened at 2.9 on the game clock, 2.8 on the TV clock because there was a half second difference at the time. I also think if we had 0.1 less, White’s shot would still have been good but it would’ve been incredibly close and people would be debating if it was off in time instead of it being clearly out of his hand with 0.1 left. It looks to me like if cleared his hand just a millesecond before the clock ticked from 0.2 to 0.1
Seems strange to me, too. Seems like it should just be a goal tend. There was nothing particularly malicious or intentional about what Bam did. Imagine if he had picked up a T earlier in the game and that play resulted in his ejection? Great for us Cs fans, of course, but seems silly.
The Jimmy and-1 was bullshit; Horford got into position and had his hands up. The 2nd call was also bullshit: weakass hand in the back, double dribble, and then all ball when Jimmy went up.
So….
I don’t see a foul on the “three point shot,” and, really, only marginal contact before the “bobble.”
That angle doesn’t show the right hand on Butler’s back that has to be what they called the foul on because his left arm action was clean and there wasn’t body contact. It was a cheap foul, and I’m not defending it as correct, just saying the position that the timing was wrong is driven from a misunderstanding of the only thing they could’ve called a foul on or how time is actually kept (i.e., not by TNT).
What Bam did is rare.. he grabbed the rim but also got to the ball. I think the intent of the rule is to stop players from grabbing the net or the rim to get a ball to not go in because they can’t get to the ball. If you can grab rim you can basically move it so a layup wouldn’t drop if it were on the rim
Herro was drafted by them. Achiuwa was a pretty good pick, traded him for Lowry.
Herro was drafted by them and is their 3rd best player. Of course, they haven’t missed him at all given how Caleb Martin has been playing.
To keep people from grabbing the rim to force the ball out. It’s an unnatural move.. not part of the game. If you get to the ball.. fine.. it’s a goaltend… but you can’t move the rim to make the ball miss.
Darn it.. I was kind of kidding anyway and forgot about herro..
Nobody is saying that grabbing the rim should be legal. The point is, most unnatural interference with a shot results in a goaltending call. But this particular version of goaltending— where the defender grabs the rim— mysteriously results in goaltending plus an extra free throw. Why?
New York/LA-based media has fond memories of Riley and Spoelstra is nice to them and both have been in place a long time, and they're never terrible or tanking. So they must be doing something right if they haven't been fired.
I think it’s to keep people from JUST moving the rim or stanchion or backboard and not going after the ball. The T is added as a disincentive.
It drives me insane how much respect a player of his caliber gets in that spot. Butler is not a superstar, he was at best the third best player on the court last night, but he carries this aura and mystique as if he were Jordan reincarnated. It's infuriating to see the refs get completely sucked in by it in crunch time. Dude's the most overrated player in the sport and gets no flak when he completely shits the bed as he has the past two games. Easy to build a legacy under zero expectations and people only remembering your best games.
Could be a moral component. It's an "unsportsmanlike" action unlike just regular goaltending where the player is just trying to block a shot. You hear that, at least, in the way people talk about it -- "well, he didn't really use the rim for leverage so why the tech?" "it was just accidental contact" etc.
Here's the video (ignore the comments). The one thing that I don't know if it is reviewable is that Al's foot hits Butler's foot just before Butler lost the ball which means the foul occurred prior to the shot. But as I said, I don't know if the refs could make that ruling since it wasn't made on the court.
This Reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13tybmq/highlight_replays_of_some_of_the_fouls_on_butler/ - shows the four Butler fouls down the stretch. You be the judge.
Nice summary. In real time, I was shocked that the TL missed his 5 footer - he never seems to miss those. Was also surprised that JT missed the first layup. The Horford layup that turned into a jump hook was unfortunate but as you point out a good play by JB.
Yeah, "I only double-dribbled because I'm clumsy" doesn't work as a rationale.
Caleb Martin was called for a foul on the play. So you can challenge. They didn't call a hook on Brown, they just retracted the foul on Martin.
Yeah this is wild.
Yep that
Yep that was a pretty good look all things considered. Smart was the almost hero nearly draining that shot.
"a. If an instant replay review of a called foul is triggered by a Challenge, the on-court crew chief will review the video to evaluate whether the foul being challenged was correctly called.
Otoh, if Smart’s shot went in, there woulda been 1 second left, Spo would have used his last timeout, and is there any doubt Butler hits a fall away 27 footer off the backboard to win it?
This nails how I feel about him. I honestly can’t fucking stand the guy. He gets calls like a star…. but because he’s not actually a star, he faces none of the media backlash when he blows ass during a game or series. He’s somehow found this perfect little niche where everything he does well is blown out of proportion and he never faces any sort of criticism
Ouch this post caused an unexpected anxiety reaction. I’m so glad that did not happen.
Thats really fair. I guess my problem is how he’s perceived. I don’t love his game either but I don’t hate it. He’s a grifter but so are most players at this point
It’s probably for me a little bit of “WTF has he done to deserve the calls he gets that our 2-time first-team all-NBA superstar hasn’t?” Draft pedigree? Nope. Personal accolades? Nope. Playoff success? Also nope. Basically, he’s not a superstar the way LeBron or Curry or even Harden is. Tatum arguably eclipses him in every conceivable way. Yet he gets treated like an upper echelon guy when our guy doesn’t…
I'd love to have Butler, would not love to have him as my best player and number one option. For all the talk of him carrying role players and UDFAs this series, he's been more often than not carried by role players and UDFAs making a ton of shots. He's a very good player, he's not "wow, Jimmy really deserves a ring, hope he gets one" tier as many people seem to believe he is. Not close.
I agree. If they didn't have Brown, I'd love a Tatum/Butler duo. Butler brings a certain toughness and - usually - clutch game to the table.
Yeah, I said that in my first post (I was trying to be diplomatic in the one you responded to, because I honestly can’t fucking stand Butler. He’s one of my least favorite players in the league so I probably have bias)
The thing about Butler is that, as a number 2, he’s kind of an odd fit on most teams because he’s very ball dominant and he’s not a good shooter. There aren’t a lot of players better than him that he meshes well with.
It was +240 on DraftKings.
Not sure you meant betting odds but there's this interesting chart.
