Celtics vs 76ers, Round 2 Discussion
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I had a similar thought about the quote.
Heard this too and bahgod it was turrible
The idea that someone is forcing a line more egregiously than Stu is mind-boggling, but it's absolutely true here.
As I said in my group chat last night, I like Doris but the national folks like winners, and the Celtics haven't looked like winners much this series. What was she supposed to say about Tatum last night for 44 minutes? Cool shoes? Yummy chips? That's not to say it wasn't annoying as fuck as a Cs fan.
Ashanti is such a random ass reference to throw out in 2023. Alternatives:
“JAYSON TATUM FOR 3333!
Don’t be fooled by the shots he ain’t got, he’s still he’s still Tatum from the block!”
“JAYSON TATUM FOR 3333!
Off the windowww, it won’t fall! The net ain’t touchin’ his balls! Til the 4th quarter calls!”
“JAYSON TATUM FOR 3333!
Don’t be fooled by the shots he ain’t got, he’s still he’s still Tatum from the block!”
“JAYSON TATUM FOR 3333!
Off the windowww, it won’t fall! The net ain’t touchin’ his balls! Til the 4th quarter calls!”
I hope this is a good one.
Mark Jackson played at York in Toronto and I played at U of S. We were better, but we had some contentious games. Some of it the animosity was sadly around race, Mark and his teammates accused our team of racism because we had only one black player. Our coach didn't recruit outside our province and there simply were almost no black people living here. After two brawls in the same year coaches and players had a peacemaking discussion at the hotel, explaining our demographics, etc. We also said since we had been beating them the accusation seemed hollow. To his credit Mark later visited Sask and was a pretty nice guy saying he understood us better, etc. I can't really say anything bad about him, all things considered.
Too much background, but the story is this.
The day after that meeting, after a brawl, the two teams were walking past each other in the airport, and it was pretty tense. The York team had this white kid that was certainly the inspiration for "Pretty Fly for a White Guy" who was the typical 12th guy at the end of the bench talking the most shit and starting the most trouble. He was wearing pants that were too short. As we passed one of my teammates said a 1940ish putdown "Your shoes should have a party and invite your pants down" and all hell broke loose. It was mostly verbal, but some shoving, etc, the two coaches came around the corner chatting like best friends. Anyway the hilarity of explaining the insult that started it all was off the charts.
"he said what?"
"Shoes have a party?"
"You see if you have a party you invite the people upstairs..."
"Look at his pants"
"Yeah man those pants are too short"
"I am not having a party"
"No it's a metaphor"
"No Personification"
"Personification is a metaphor"
"Oh yeah you're right"
"Yo dawg my pants ain't short"
"Yeah they are"
"They are like capris"
"Yeah like a chick, totally like a chick"
(Fly guy begins to fight with his teammates)
etc
It ended with Mark Jones showing the upside of his verbal abilities by dissecting the joke for his dimwitted teammate.
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I would say they've looked like just as much like winners given that they've, uh, won just as many games.
I think this is more about the Celtics having a mind-boggling number of championships as a franchise. We don't get it as Celtics fans, but think about it from an outsider's perspective... of course people want to see the Celtics lose! Generally speaking Boston has been the most spoiled sports city in the last twenty years. Our franchises across the board have won championships, some of them several, and even when they haven't, have been extremely competitive.
They want to see Embiid get out of the second round, they want to see someone new win. I think that's all it is.
Ha. That's interesting. I used to work with a colleague who would always say, "for what it's worth," as a verbal tic. I remember she was pregnant and I asked her if they knew the sex and she said, "yeah, it's going to be a girl, for what it's worth," and I laughed and she didn't understand why.
Another from those pickup games, this was early 90's right when Foxwoods had opened which for those who remember was a big deal back then. My buddy Tom, who was in his 30's and I viewed as a mentor, knew Ernie D well from the RI bball and (*cough* *sniff*) other scene. Ernie ran w us after he retired a couple times. Tom and I had a ritual of Alumni Hall run followed by grabbing a Tommy's Pizza to bring back to his Moms house. One day we are between games and he tells me change of plans that he can't do Tommy's. Turns out, Ernie's license was suspended and needed a ride to Boston to pick up his monthly deferment check from the Celtics. Tom takes him to the bank, they cash a $17k check, Ernie gives him $500 and has Tom drop him off at Foxwoods. Knowing the two of them they made another stop on the way but I was not privy to that info.
I know it was mentioned last page but how does ESPN let Doris get away with saying the Sixers were down 0-2 in the series multiple times? First one, fine, really poor research but ok. But where is the producer in her ear saying Philly took game 1??
Edit: also, ESPN did game 3, I am pretty sure she was announcing. She should have remembered it was 1-1 heading into that game.
Edit: also, ESPN did game 3, I am pretty sure she was announcing. She should have remembered it was 1-1 heading into that game.
Celtics have a 138.8 offensive rating in clutch situations this postseason.
Smart has a 81% TS/75% eFG, in 26 minutes.
Tatum has a 81% TS/81% eFG, in 30 minutes.
All of those numbers are fucking absurd.
Smart has a 81% TS/75% eFG, in 26 minutes.
Tatum has a 81% TS/81% eFG, in 30 minutes.
All of those numbers are fucking absurd.
I know it can't happen with the different networks each carrying games, but the product would improve if there was one broadcaster team dedicated to each series instead of mixing it up all the time. These broadcasters love their narratives and it would be a lot easier to carry one if you have the same people there the whole time.
During the decline phase of his NBA broadcast career, Dick Stockton once described a camera angle as giving fans a "birds eye worm view."
She probably got the "0-2" from the number of limbs she seemed to think Embiid had amputated before the series began and he reanimated to his MVP form.
Marcus really needs to incorporate the Cassell Brass Balls Dance into his repertoire.
Each time they brought it up, I was confused and assumed they were talking about some other playoff series with Doc Rivers. It literally never crossed my mind that they could have this relatively simple piece of information wrong about this series. Really? That's just an amazing lack of preparedness.
"I like big buckets and I cannot lie. Cuz Tatum got back!"
Tell me you can't picture Mark Jones saying that.
TuneIn
(I'm not sure if the 98.5 website has a pause function if you listen directly through the site. TuneIn does.)
Nodding my head to all of this although it made me chuckle because I realized that Hubie Brown as a commentator still typically gets carte blanche to really break down plays and basically give basketball lectures the whole game without getting bogged down in narratives and he drives me nuts too. I think I really have a tough time with the announcers who struggle to let the game breathe in one way or another. It's not an easy job—the best have a natural charisma and can balance the excitement and just project appreciation for the game/moment. It is a visual medium, after all. I'd rather just get court sounds and coaches/players mic'd up with no announcers at all.
Ultimately I watch a lot of games on a second screen while Jedette and I have something else on the big screen. It does wonders for my heart.
Thats pretty funny. I specifically had Hubie in mind for the anti-Doris, in terms of substance. [Likely hyperbole alert] It's *almost* as though he has no idea who is actually playing the game, as breaking down X's and O's into minute detail doesn't require knowing who X and O are in real life. [/hyperbole]
The one I mind the least is Jeff van Gundy. He seems to at least have an idea that it's a basketball game, not a college lecture or morality play, and that he's allowed to "appreciate the moment," as you aptly describe it.
I heard her say it and correct herself a minute or two later in the third or fourth quarter. When did she say it before?
Throughout the game. She said it maybe 3 or 4 times before correcting herself.
Billy Packer, at his peak, was kind of similar too. He took the game very seriously, and it showed. The downside was that he would treat a Clemson-NC State game on a Wednesday night in January the same as the Final Four. He didn't have JVG's sense of it not being too important. But I'll take that approach every day over storylinz!!!
That's great color. Thank you. And maybe the Globe writers knew that and it factored into their decision not to run with that angle.
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Saying that your coach is being killed and rightfully so isn't a thing a player should say. It gives the message that the coach doesn't have the respect of the locker room. You don't need to be a grade A politician to understand this.
She didn't just say it as an aside either. It was part of long and belabored soliquey about the resiliency of the Sixers and Doc's brilliant ability to get them to focus through adversity.
I just listened to the first 15 minutes of Burke on The Lowe Post (didn’t really care to listen to anymore of it).
I don’t think Doris is a Sixers fan, per se. I do think, after listening to all of her broadcasts and this podcast, that she personally likes the Sixers principles more (Doc, Embiid, Tucker) and thinks it’s a much more interesting story:narrative for the Sixers to win.
I would question anyone who has listened to all of her calls and legitimately thinks she’s showing the same enthusiasm for both teams. I mean, her level of amazement and excitement whenever Joel Embiid does literally fucking anything is out of control.
My overall views is that Doris is better at the job than Reggie Miller is. She has moe insightful things to say and analyses what is happening better than Reggie.
However, I’ve enjoyed Reggie more this playoffs. He’s an idiot but he’s calling it down the middle (or babbling incoherently down the middle).
I’ve almost never done this before, and I’ve listened to A LOT of really shitty announcing teams, but I muted the game last night. I just couldn’t fucking take anymore of Mark Jones “see guys, I’m cool and hip!!” Routine or Doris falling all over herself about Glenn’s “emotional terrorism” or Joel tying his fucking shoes. It was just too much and I didn’t want to deal with it anymore
I think you’re close but you’re a little off.
National media likes stars and narratives. The Sixers have a player who just won the MVP, has a great story around him, and is generally good for an interesting quote. The team has the narrative of being underdogs, having never been out of the 2nd round in however long and Glenn Rivers is media catnip…..
Celtics most interesting narrative is one that, rightly, no one in the media wants to touch. We don’t know what happened with Ime and it’s uncomfortable to talk about
I believe this was also where she used her “emotional terrorism” anecdote that Glenn told her in their coaches meeting. She repeated it again on the Lowe Post while fawning over what a great quote it was
I mean they cut off those clips as soon as Jones was done talking.
She did talk about him positively when he made the 2nd 3.
Edit: lol was looking for the clip and I hear Jones "sets off the smoke detector" on a bricked Tatum layup
Yeah football is a different animal with the 4:00 and 4:25 starts. For every other sport on Sunday on network TV, it seems like start times are made around the 6:00 and 7:00 programming.
W/R/T the announcers, I can't get too excited either way when it comes to them. It doesn't positively or negatively affect my viewing experience as a whole. The only time I've ever muted a broadcast was actually in this year's NHL playoffs when the Flyers guys did the games for the Bruins series in Florida.
Yeah, she was pretty complimentary of what Tatum was doing. Here's the entire last 2 minutes which includes the last two 3s.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16dqWzeqFWA&ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski
No idea why I didn't think of doing this, but I have the SiriusXM app, and I'll be doing in on Sunday.
Sirius can lag quite far behind, in my experience. May have to pause your tv.
My experience is that it lags farther behind the local broadcast than the national broadcasting, but I have no problem pausing the TV to sync them up
You will enjoy, then, the discussion of this topic by the NBA TV analysts. Scroll down to the video under Item #4 on this article - the one where the text below it refers to Smart - and listen to the coach on the panel talk about how he'd handle things and why.
https://www.nba.com/news/5-takeaways-from-celtics-series-saving-game-6-win-over-sixers
This last one had me laughing my ass off, btw. This place is great sometimes.
Wikipedia says her parents were from Long Island which is where she was born, and "Her basketball idols growing up were Kyle Macy, Kelly Tripucka and Tommy Heinsohn", so I'm not seeing a whole lot to suggest a latent Sixers fandom.
I gotta say, it seems like she bothers a bunch of you, but I haven't minded her. Some of the cliches have seemed forced, or even scripted, but I haven't found her to be, like, Tim McCarver-esque in terms of slobbering over the bigger stars or something. She's good at analyzing the game when she chooses to. She's not the best basketball announcer I've ever listened to, but she's far from the worst.