Celtics trade Rondo to Dallas
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Can't be traded in a package deal for 60 days. One reason to trade Rondo now. It lets Danny use players in the return in a package close to the deadline.luckiestman said:
Post of the year LOL!Statman said:
Powell is about as promising as the blossoming trade exception we will gain from dealing Rondo. We needed to move two players off our present 8-win roster and ridded ourselves of the two worst, Powell and Faverani.
How is nothing better than a low first rounder and other assets that will likely be involved in future moves? That is silly.
Count me in the group of those who want a playoff run even without Rondo. I think its time to get some of these young guys that experience.luckiestman said:
I know Wright's a free agent at the end of the year, but does anyone have contract status for Nelson and Crowder?
BOS now has 13 picks in the next two drafts, including 6 1st rounders and the anticipated top 2nd round pick in next year's draft (from PHI).
As of right now, BOS has four of the top 31 picks in next year's draft (10, 22, 24, 31).
As of right now, BOS has four of the top 31 picks in next year's draft (10, 22, 24, 31).
circus catch said:
Nelson has a player option for $3.25mm for next year.
Crowder is a restricted free agent. His qualifying offer number is approx. $1.15mm.
As of right now, the Celtics have eight guaranteed contracts for next year (total of $32.6mm, of which Wallace makes up nearly one-third), plus the player options for Nelson and Green (neither of whom will likely be with the team after the trade deadline), plus the qualifying offers for Pressley and Crowder. The total for all 12 is approx. $47.2mm.
It's time to get this group playoff experience? Which guys? The second year guys or the rookies?circus catch said:
Nelson is a better three point shooter than Rondo but wbcd is right in that his FG% has declined the past few seasons. And he is nowhere near the passer or ball-handler that Rondo is - to put it bluntly, Nelson is pretty much league average while Rondo has a history of being an elite level point-guard without scoring ability. I think he will play well with Dirk and Monta in spots but someone else observed that Ellis needs the ball in his hands a lot and it will be interesting to see how he and Rondo mesh.
Going back to Nelson, despite his plain-vanilla (and declining) stats, the guy is in the NBA simply because he maxes out his ability. As such, I think he'll win a few admirers during his stay in Boston. C's fans won't be pounding down '86's door to keep him but they will enjoy watching his hustle and the young guys may benefit from having him around assuming he isn't devastated that he was booted off of Cuban's basketball Shark Tank.
Going back to Nelson, despite his plain-vanilla (and declining) stats, the guy is in the NBA simply because he maxes out his ability. As such, I think he'll win a few admirers during his stay in Boston. C's fans won't be pounding down '86's door to keep him but they will enjoy watching his hustle and the young guys may benefit from having him around assuming he isn't devastated that he was booted off of Cuban's basketball Shark Tank.
Everybody knows your opinion on Rondo. Feel free to sit the next coupla posts out.Brickowski said:
Can I ask (what is probably) a stupid question? Why didn't Danny go after Al Jefferson when he was a FA? I know he's not the difference between nothing and a ring. But the big problem with Rondo is that since the Big Three left, he hasn't really had anyone to feed it to. Big Al would've at least made the team better at a position of need. Did we not have the cap space?
Well crap. We got a number 25 pick for Rondo. I'd rather have tried to sign him for less or let him walk. I suppose it is nice to have lots of picks in the 15-20 range, maybe well get lucky and one or two will become starters.
It's been well stated, along with everybody else here. And it doesn't even counter yours much, my disagreement is with your insistence on cluttering this forum with the same exact same thought 6 times a day for the last 2 years.Brickowski said:
So it's really a 2016 pick, unless Rondo blows up the Mavs...Julius.R said:
And a big trade exception.
That's better. But I still would have said fuck that on the trade exemption. You're getting a guy that gives you a chance now for no players of value. Give us a lottery ticket.
Mavs are the 6 right now ahead of SA and OKC if those two pass them it's a 3 way fight for the last spot with PHX and NO.Eddie Jurak said:
Well, thank goodness Ainge unloaded Rondo to save me from even more redundancy.Grin&MartyBarret said:
you mean how he goes about his business game after game and just wins year after year and steps it up in the playoffs?
Partly cap, but (I think) also partly the lifecycle of a team. The C's aren't in the business of getting to the playoffs, they're in the business of competing for a title, and I don't think Big Al would have kept them from the downward part of the cycle.Van Everyman said:
I hated that he was JAG being masqueraded as a star who would be exposed once Pierce and KG were out of his life. The Celtics results never changed regardless of who replaced him in the lineup over his entire career and in several cases improved.Devizier said:
I've chuckled watching him play the past couple years as what I expected to see unfolded right down to his trade value but I've never actually hated him.
On the topic of Rondo? Agreed. I don't root for the Mavs, and if I did I'd feel fleeced, especially since it's being reported that the first rounder is likely to be a top eight protected 2016 pick, not a 2015 pick.Blacken said:
Eddie Jurak said:
That is an interesting pick protection, I have not seen it done before. Ainge must think there is real value in the 10-14 picks in 2015 in the unlikely event the Mavs slip down there. Why else just not call it a 2016 1st round pick with top 7 protection??Eddie Jurak said:
It looks like Chandler, Aminu, and Barea are the only Mavs of notes not signed thru 2016, so they'll have pretty much the same team coming back with a strong likelihood they'll re-sign Chandler if he is healthy.
I like the trade. I think The combination of Rondo's injury, the PG depth in the league, and the gross overvaluation of his abilities by Celtics fans have contributed to some of the crazy expectations. This gives the Celts some pretty crazy trade leverage either for a star or to trade up to take the next Ainge binky.
"Gross overvaluation?" Just one stat, he had 18 triple doubles in 8 years, third among active players. Lebron 1, Kobe 2, with 19 in 17 years, KG with 16 in 19 years. And nearly every star around the league had huge respect for his game. I'll reluctantly agree he has not been the same player post-injury. Hopefully he gets back.
Brickowski said:
Jesus. Do yourself and everyone else a huge favor and give it a rest. We all know about your "humble" opinion of Rondo. In fact, let's play a fun game:
1) Advanced search of all brick posts with "imho" and "rondo" in them = 27 results
2) Advanced search of all brick posts with "imho" in them = 77 results
3) Advanced search of all brick posts with "rondo" in them = 45 results
--> 35% of all your many many "humble" opinions are about Rondo.
--> And fully 60% of your opinions about Rondo are "humble"
Given that "IMHO" is used almost exclusively to negate its own meaning, you've gone on record loudly and proudly many times about your feelings.
TL;DR: You're self-immolating at this point. So... Just. Stop.
Blah blah blah. You resort to ad hominum attacks instead of responding to the substance of what I have posted. Zenter, I'll propose this bet to you and Grin&MartyBarret. if the Celtics don't have a better record this year without Rondo than they had with him, I'll stop posting here fore a year. If they do, shut the fuck up.
jose melendez said:
It is a clear majority opinion around here that "loyalty" and "rooting for the guys who have been around" are concepts of no value in the 21st century sports.
So might as well have fun playing General Manager and imagining how well getting "assets" will work out.
Which means I am looking forward to a Wizards/Mavs final!
(And isn't it a smart thing we got rid of Pierce before he fell apart!)
BEST POST EVER, SPROWL. JUST RETIRE. YOU WON'T DO BETTER.Sprowl said:Bye bye Brick. Win or not, you won't be around to collect.
I am so thankful.
dhellers said:
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you but I don't know what loyalty and rooting for the guys have been around has to do with anything. The Celtics have zero hope of contending with this roster and are likely at least a season or two away from being in the conversation provided they make the right moves. Those moves are going to include drafting well and trading the "assets" I think you are maligning (again forgive me if I am misunderstanding you) for the right pieces or even a star player. Keeping Rondo around was simply going to lead to mediocrity at best.
There is no room for "loyalty" here if you want the Celtics to be relevant anytime soon.
Yup. Paul Pierce is the man. Will always be the man. Should retire in green. My pet fan-GMing is that after next season the C's bring him back for a year as a victory lap before he retires. But him and KG leaving accelerated the rebuild by multiple years (anyone think the Nets are gonna be any good in 2017 or 2018?) and positioned the team for long-term success, again. And it gives us teams to cheer for in the interim. When I'm not hanging onto the bumper of the Dubs bus for dear life, anyway.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Five first round picks in the next two years and extras in 2017 and 2018. There's a certain amount of "you better have your head examined" if you'd rather watch a couple of beloved players fail to do anything at the very end of their careers when this is the other alternative.