He made Bruce Bowen a player. And Matt Bonner. He's just not afraid to have guys who can only do one thing sitting there until he needs them to do that thing.
Celtics trade Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford and a 1st round pick to Spurs for Derrick White
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Well, there is absolutely a dire need on this team with JB/JT to get complimentary players with assists who complement things. If they think they are buying low on him, signed very reasonably through 2025, another tough D with exception corner 3 skills would be very useful on this team.
Don't know if I love trading a guy who is shooting well for a guard who can't shoot on a team whose biggest weakness is lack of shooting.
I think that White and Smart are similar enough players that this makes it more likely we see Marcus dealt by the deadline. And if he isn't, this is going to be a wildly fun defensive team to watch going forward.
I mean, the best way to sell it I think is that he did the things he did while playing with a team that is not good at basketball & hopefully with the Jays, this will look like buying low as he will hopefully be a good fit & be able to get them the ball in good places. He's also a very good free throw shooter, so there's a reasonable chance his 3s will kick back up on a better offensive team.
The other good thing is, draft sucks after top 5. & his contract isn't toooo out of whack & could look like a good value if he gets a bump from playing with better players.
I have always had an irrational like for JRich, though, so I'm still meh on it.
I think this deal makes it more likely he goes.. White is a better PG than RIchardson.
On the Smart/White comparison:
Edit- Hmm, DARKO graph won't show up... they are really similar.
He started for a Spurs team that was winning 37% of their games, but he's not starting here (if you think he's starting, who goes to the bench?). In evaluating this trade from the Celtics' perspective, he's considered a bench player.
Would a Smart for Huerter/Delon Wright-ish deal now fit the roster? You've got some PG/defense from White and you'd have a legit backup in Wright.
I mean if that first isn't included you don't even get anywhere near the value for someone like White
I mean if you don’t like White (which I think would largely be because of his contract), I get it, but they gave essentially nothing of value up in the two players and a non-lottery pick in an awful draft.
DARKO thinks White is better than Richardson. By a lot. He's also younger.
Hard to be upset with the on court change this year.
Only potential downsides are the contract differences, how much you value a protected 1st rounder, and how much you value Romeo.
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Spurs will also have the right to swap first-round picks with Boston in 2028, sources tell ESPN.
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Spurs will also have the right to swap first-round picks with Boston in 2028, sources tell ESPN.
True. But they have 3 open roster spots and if Schroder leaves then Ime is down to 7 trusted rotation players, counting White.
Maybe I don't know enough about White, but his per-36 doesn't seem much to write home about.
He's at a career high in assists, with 6.6 per 36, but miserable three-point shooting and everything else is about what you'd expect for a starting guard in the NBA. J-Rich, Romeo, AND a first rounder? Some of those first rounders turn into useful players for other teams, Brad!
Maybe he's a better ballhandler than JRich and that's for sure where the Cs are short. If this means the end of Schroder, I'm in.
He's at a career high in assists, with 6.6 per 36, but miserable three-point shooting and everything else is about what you'd expect for a starting guard in the NBA. J-Rich, Romeo, AND a first rounder? Some of those first rounders turn into useful players for other teams, Brad!
Maybe he's a better ballhandler than JRich and that's for sure where the Cs are short. If this means the end of Schroder, I'm in.
Dont like that AT ALL. Brad really really badly wanted White. This feels like an overpay.
I assume the point of this trade is to allow them to trade Schroder for a better rotation piece or two (maybe a shooter)...
Also there are going to be a lot of buyouts
Dude, chillax, the Spurs will not be flipping the 13th pick in the 2028 draft for the 30th.
Wonder if the three-way with Schroder out and Reddish back is now in play---they could use a wing
I will say, the national people seemed to think White for Richardson and a 1st was an unbelievable steal... Romeo and a swap even that out.
It is worth noting we got Richardson for literally nothing a few months ago, his value is probably a 2nd at most.
So basically a 1st, a swap, a 2nd and Romeo for White.
Edit- also... this tells me what Marcus Smart's trade value is... slightly more than this package.
It is worth noting we got Richardson for literally nothing a few months ago, his value is probably a 2nd at most.
So basically a 1st, a swap, a 2nd and Romeo for White.
Edit- also... this tells me what Marcus Smart's trade value is... slightly more than this package.
If it was my team, I would send Horford to the bench & have a lot of fun switching all 5 with White/Smart/JB/JT/TL.
Hope they don't regret letting Richardson go. I was pretty down on Langford; really didn't see much there, but, again, a definite risk. Still, you have to give to get.
Brad was probably plenty happy ship out his 3.8M to get under the tax and not pay him 5.6M next season.
Anymore pieces the Celts have to add?
Smells like an overpay and Brad got Ainged on this and kept on saying yes.
Romeo was a wasted asset, damn shame as we all that that pick (Philly-Sac) was going to be gold.
I hope White can play PG.
Smells like an overpay and Brad got Ainged on this and kept on saying yes.
Romeo was a wasted asset, damn shame as we all that that pick (Philly-Sac) was going to be gold.
I hope White can play PG.
Not going to sweat the pick swap too much as it's a total unknown. Meanwhile, if the team finishes the season strong the 1st is in the 20s and certainly worth giving up for a good player under team control at a reasonable salary.
I think my only concerns are:
1. I am one of the board's bigger Romeo fans. I think he's a 3 and D monster in the making
2. 2028 is far far away.
1. I am one of the board's bigger Romeo fans. I think he's a 3 and D monster in the making
2. 2028 is far far away.
Got it. I agree that Pop could make something more of him. I'm just not bullish on his game, and he's shown virtually nothing to date, so he's not really an asset as far as the celtics are concerned, unless you consider trading him to stay under the tax is utilizing him as an asset.
I really only hate the pick swap because of deal-making restrictions due to the Stepien rule. Otherwise, it's as you said - it's FAR far away.
If a 2028 pick swap is what puts someone over the edge on the deal, I don't understand it at all. That is six years from now. That's like three+ NBA roster cycles away. IMO, the NBA is about the actual players. White is a better player than Richardson and his distribution skills may be more valuable than the delta between their shooting.
I think the C’s won’t invest in the extension likely needed to find that out about Romeo.
I think the second part is the biggest variable in this trade, but it’s probably why SA made the deal. What were they gonna do, turn down the deal and lose the better player over the next 3 or so years because of a distant risk that they could be picking in the top 5 in 2028 and to avoid a perception they ‘overpaid.’