Celtics Draft Pick Watch 2016
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Too many of the bottom feeders need a PG badly combined with Dunn's transferable skills (and the college game limiting him) I don't see him far from that top group if not sneaking into it. Nobody is taking Hield, Sabonis, or Poeltl over Dunn which is why I wouldn't place him in that tier and that list also omits Jamal Murray and and Henry Ellenson who both should go Top-10 at this stage.
As a PG Dunn really has a tier of himself as he's not going to be a BPA pick. The Lakers aren't drafting him no matter what nor is Denver, Portland, or Toronto (with their acquired likely lottery pick) so his value is nil to those teams while higher than usual for someone like Philly (if they drop), Milwaukee, New Orleans, and Minnesota if they decide to move from Rubio. He's a niche market of his own based on which team is slotted where.
I love analyzing college players against Kentucky teams as they best simulate an NBA team from their length and athleticism as well as their talent level and system. Quarterman rises significantly in my book by almost posting a triple double against NBA quicks and hops.
Although while Kentucky does have that athleticism, it seemed their defense consisted of waving at people as they blew by, and then fouling them. Pathetic display for such a talented team.
I saw Kentucky running the same gambling perimeter defense that they have been using to initiate points off of turnovers while having he penetrators forced to score over Lee/Scal as they have most recently with Towns/WCS.
When the guards create steals it looks ingenious......when it doesn't and the back line also gets beat it does look pathetic. That is Cal's system and his young teams have grown as the season wears on. Quarterman tore them apart though.
I didn't see the game, but impressive line for Simmons,28/17/4, 8 turnovers though. Quarterman 3/3/3, 1-6 from the field. LSU loses by 6.
His teammates shit the bed spectacularly and he scored the last 12 himself. This team may be the single biggest disparity between best player and rest of rotation in NCAAB history.
Especially when Simmons has a teammate who will play in the NBA with him. I'd imagine that Scottie Pippen's teammates at Central Arkansas weren't anything special either.
Probably not even the biggest disparity at LSU: some of those Shaq teams were awful.
Chris Jackson was an All-American. He had two other centers that played with him that were first round draft picks.
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Billy King and Lionel Hollins out with the Nets, team says.
Billy King and Lionel Hollins out with the Nets, team says.
Monday tankathon report:
http://www.tankathon.com/
Boston's picks:
3,
14 (up 5, Boston back in the lottery),
21 (up 1),
31,
35 (up 1),
48 (down 2),
52 (up 2),
58
http://www.tankathon.com/
Boston's picks:
3,
14 (up 5, Boston back in the lottery),
21 (up 1),
31,
35 (up 1),
48 (down 2),
52 (up 2),
58
Top 14 prospects (ranked by two or more of ESPN.com, nbadraft.net, draftexpress.com)
Ben Simmons (1, 1, 1)
Brandon Ingram (2, 2, 2)
Dragan Bender (3, 6, 3)
Henry Ellenson (4, 18, 7)
Kris Dunn (5, 4, 4)
Jaylen Brown (6, 3, 6)
Jakob Poeltl (7, 7, 8)
Jamal Murray (8, 11, 9)
Furkan Korkmaz (9, 15, 12)
Skal Labissiere (10, *, 5)
Wade Baldwin (11, 38, 14)
Ivan Rabb (12, 5, 10)
Buddy Hield (14, 8, 22)
Ranked top 14 by only one of the three:
Domantas Sabonas (9, ND)
Brice Johnson (10, ND)
Cheick Diallo (11, DE)
Deyonta Davis (12, ND)
Diamond Stone (13, ESPN)
Damian Jones (13, ND)
Demetrious Jackson (13, DE)
Grayson Allen (14, ND)
* ND has Labissiere going back to school
Ben Simmons (1, 1, 1)
Brandon Ingram (2, 2, 2)
Dragan Bender (3, 6, 3)
Henry Ellenson (4, 18, 7)
Kris Dunn (5, 4, 4)
Jaylen Brown (6, 3, 6)
Jakob Poeltl (7, 7, 8)
Jamal Murray (8, 11, 9)
Furkan Korkmaz (9, 15, 12)
Skal Labissiere (10, *, 5)
Wade Baldwin (11, 38, 14)
Ivan Rabb (12, 5, 10)
Buddy Hield (14, 8, 22)
Ranked top 14 by only one of the three:
Domantas Sabonas (9, ND)
Brice Johnson (10, ND)
Cheick Diallo (11, DE)
Deyonta Davis (12, ND)
Diamond Stone (13, ESPN)
Damian Jones (13, ND)
Demetrious Jackson (13, DE)
Grayson Allen (14, ND)
* ND has Labissiere going back to school
Not being able to follow college basketball as much as I would like (really at all), I had no idea that Arvydas Sabonis' kid could be in the draft this year.
On of the great shames of modern history is not being able to see Arvydas play against the cream of the NBA centers like Ewing, Robinson, et al. in the late 1980s.
Apparently Arvydas had a late growth spurt because he started out as a PG. If Domantas can grow a few more inches, he could be pretty good it sounds like.
If anyone is interested, just found this good SI article that discusses Dale Brown's recruitment of Arvydas (which there were rumours about back then but no real information for most of us) and weaves in the Zags' recruitment of Domantas: http://www.si.com/longform/sabonis/. Good for us nostalgia buffs plus a great picture of Arvydas and Mugsy Bogues from 1986.
Thank you for the list amfox.
Question for you though, I've always thought/heard that Chad Ford (ESPN) and the DraftExpress team were the cream of the crop when it came to the NBA draft. Is nbadraft.net worth a look/paying attention to or were you just getting another set of eyes/opinion on the prospects?
All three sites will have their "favorites" and "overlook" some prospects, based on their sources, eyewitness accounts and prospect preferences. The top 20 will come into line in the late spring. I think all three are worth looking at, just to get more views of the players.
Other than the international players and Baldwin, I have seen everyone in the ESPN top 14 at least once, although it is much too early to start putting together my own list.
Other than the international players and Baldwin, I have seen everyone in the ESPN top 14 at least once, although it is much too early to start putting together my own list.
Thanks for updating those lists. With the (IMO) demise of the college game from an entertainment perspective I only watch non-Providence games "prospect specific" which helps me get to see more of these guys in the Top-40.
I was just about to post something along those lines. I've always tried to watch to at least have some names in my head for who I like as Celtics targets (see my WCS crusade last year) but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to watch as much as I used to when my time was more disposable. No flow to the games in part because of the rules and also in part because of NCAA refs, who are much worse than what the NBA offers.
On other news, the Nets are strongly considering Bryan Colangelo for the GM job.
I hated the decision to go to a 30-second shot clock while still allowing the zone defense and not surprisingly this has contributed to the already inept offenses. Defense is so far ahead of offense at the college level it is mind boggling that the NCAA would add a rule to help the defense at a time when the general sports public is craving offense in their games. Like really really dumb and it's costing them a ton of money.
I have never been a big college hoops fan, so I guess it doesn't mean much that I completely agree with you guys in that I find the current game just about unwatchable.
I've preached for over a decade now that the current 94x50 dimensions have been outgrown by today's length and athleticism. As each year passes this gap grows and grows with the athletes. The lack of floor space now requires big to be efficient 22-foot shooters or they are an offensive liability when paired with another big who cannot stretch the floor. The lack of floor space has also eliminated the outlet pass as well as most forms of half court ball movement with the perimeter pass.
wait @HomeRunBaker isn't scoring up in college due to the shorter shot clock? because of pace. not sure about the effect on efficiency though
Possessions (Pace) are up due to the shot clock change and the way efficiency is tracked shows this also. This is what the fluff pieces from the NCAA say......nobody is writing about the additional personal fouls with the rules changes called which make some games unwatchable. How many more of those points are coming from the FT line and skewing FG%?
Last night proves to be a double loss as the Melo-less Knicks don't quite have enough to take it home down the stretch at Brooklyn. Porzingis was awful on O, forcing up a ton of bad shots.
No matter though, they finish January with a rough stretch of games. Early February is their last chance to realistically string some wins together before finishing with 18 of 26 on the road.
Random funny side note: next time you catch a Nets game (which I don't recommend), watch Tony Brown whenever the opponent is about to shoot. He raises his arms like a grade school coach to remind his boys to keep their hands up on D.
No matter though, they finish January with a rough stretch of games. Early February is their last chance to realistically string some wins together before finishing with 18 of 26 on the road.
Random funny side note: next time you catch a Nets game (which I don't recommend), watch Tony Brown whenever the opponent is about to shoot. He raises his arms like a grade school coach to remind his boys to keep their hands up on D.
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I think Ingram is coming on strong and it could well be a two stud draft. If you miss Simmons and get Ingram you probably can't complain much, and some teams he'd like be a better fit.
College basketball started sinking when kids started to jump to the NBA. Given that the best, I don't know, 50 or so college basketball players are playing in the NBA right now, it's not surprising that the college game has suffered.
The three point line is also way too close. It's ridiculous that between the NCAA, Euroleague, and NBA there are 3 different court dimensions. Get everybody on the NBA line. It helps the spacing so much.
Ahhh very nice. They did have a good #2 in their PG Carl Nicks who played a year or two in the NBA. After him though I remember a wing named Heaton and their big Alex Gilbert who shot something like 28% from the FT line.
I'll raise you David Robinson and the 1986 Navy team. I don't even know who else was on that team other than the Admiral.
I think that title of worst supporting him cast is going to go to any great player playing at a small school. Simmons doesn't have a great supporting cast but they are still an SEC team with some talent.
How about Artis Gilmore and his Jacksonville teammates?
How about Artis Gilmore and his Jacksonville teammates?
The only Jeff Lamp I knew was the one who was Ralph Sampson's teammate and he was an awesome college player like really really good. I believe Lamp actually led them in scoring and not Sampson.
Yeah
After I posted I hit the Google. I had my "second fiddle to a future NBA HOF big man from the early 80's" mixed up.
