CB Jack Jones Arrested at Logan for Having 2 Firearms in His Bag

[lexrageorge]

If he doesn't have a proper concealed carry license for Massachusetts he is going to prison, as mentioned before this state has a mandatory minimum of 18 months even if it's your first offense. There is no gray area here.

I'm not aware of Jack Jones having a criminal record in MA. Therefore, it seems likely that the charges will be pleaded out to a lesser charge that will include a stiff fine and possible probation. Maybe community service as well. It's extremely rare for someone to be jailed solely on a first offense weapons charge even in MA, unless there are other charges like actual assault or robbery that go along with it.

As for his future with the team, all we can do is guess at this point. We still don't really know why he got suspended for 2 games last season; despite the team's reputation for having little tolerance for not towing Bill's line, the team seldom subjects players to an actual suspension (as opposed to a benching).

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I am no lawyer, but why are you treating this as federal violations only? Per the AP, "He was booked at the State Police Logan Airport Barracks and had bail set at $50,000, police said."

Lots of responses in this thread. I gave pretty specific focus on the state crimes already. My response about the federal crimes was directed to a post specifically citing stiff federal crimes for loaded guns at an airport.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

I'm not aware of Jack Jones having a criminal record in MA. Therefore, it seems likely that the charges will be pleaded out to a lesser charge that will include a stiff fine and possible probation. Maybe community service as well. It's extremely rare for someone to be jailed solely on a first offense weapons charge even in MA, unless there are other charges like actual assault or robbery that go along with it.

As for his future with the team, all we can do is guess at this point. We still don't really know why he got suspended for 2 games last season; despite the team's reputation for having little tolerance for not towing Bill's line, the team seldom subjects players to an actual suspension (as opposed to a benching).

I think where it gets weird is if for some reason he is not in compliance with federal law, which I presume will now be looked at. Did he fill the form honestly, etc. I think that is how these cases get escalated.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

If he doesn't have a proper concealed carry license for Massachusetts he is going to prison, as mentioned before this state has a mandatory minimum of 18 months even if it's your first offense. There is no gray area here.

Yes there is.

I literally know someone who was pulled over with a firearm, had their FID and no LTC.

He lost his FID and right to carry, never experienced jail time. He considered the punishment severe and unfair.

There's plenty of wiggle room in all of these laws.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Lots of responses in this thread. I gave pretty specific focus on the state crimes already. My response about the federal crimes was directed to a post specifically citing stiff federal crimes for loaded guns at an airport.

Roger that.

It seems that his state of residence is Arizona from the AP's account of the police report, and Arizona doesn't seem to require a license to own firearms and no permits are needed for concealed carry there.

 

[Rico Guapo]

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Please read the post I was replying to. 98.5 implied that loaded firearms in an airport carry stiff federal charges. I cited a recent federal incident that only increased the fine given and resulted in no jail time.

The state law situation is different than the federal one being discussed.

What I meant, and didn't state clearly (which is my fault), is I don't think Federal law doesn't matters as much in this instance given the strict local laws. Ultimately I hope I'm wrong and Jones avoids jail time as others have suggested but I think it's an uphill battle.

 

[Patriot_Reign]

Yes there is.

I literally know someone who was pulled over with a firearm, had their FID and no LTC.

He lost his FID and right to carry, never experienced jail time. He considered the punishment severe and unfair.

There's plenty of wiggle room in all of these laws.

Fair enough.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I think where it gets weird is if for some reason he is not in compliance with federal law, which I presume will now be looked at. Did he fill the form honestly, etc. I think that is how these cases get escalated.

This is my thought, too.

FID card and proper ownership paperwork? Worst charges get neutered.

Were the laws he broke (capacity clip, FID vs LTC, etc) NOT laws in his state of residence? He can plead ignorance and receive light charges for first offense.

Lots of stuff at play, but if he actually did the right thing with his firearms PRIOR to today, he will probably end up with a lot lighter sentencing than people here seem to think.

Edit - according to Harry's post above, it looks like he lives in Arizona and followed all Arizona laws. Stating that he thought he was fine as long as he followed his own state laws is probably enough for both examples above.

Seriously doubt he sees any jailtime.

 

[steveluck7]

I think where it gets weird is if for some reason he is not in compliance with federal law, which I presume will now be looked at. Did he fill the form honestly, etc. I think that is how these cases get escalated.

We had a case here in RI about a year ago (actually think it’s ongoing). Guy arrested for firearms violations. Federal charges came in when they looked at his paperwork and he didn’t disclose previous drug use (he had priors for possession).
He went from pretty screwed to totally fucked.

 

[Patriot_Reign]

Edit - according to Harry's post above, it looks like he lives in Arizona and followed all Arizona laws. Stating that he thought he was fine as long as he followed his own state laws is probably enough for both examples above.

I don't really understand this argument at all. He's not in Arizona, he's in Massachusetts. It's still his responsibility to obey local laws. Pleading ignorance does not waive being responsible.

 

[uncannymanny]

Isn’t this pretty common? There’s like 10 new pictures on the TSA counter of guns found in carry ons every time I go to the airport.

Edit: yea, stupid as hell, of course

 

[DJnVa]

If he doesn't have a proper concealed carry license for Massachusetts he is going to prison, as mentioned before this state has a mandatory minimum of 18 months even if it's your first offense. There is no gray area here.

That's the mandatory minimum for a conviction no? Some folks are acting like it goes:

1-Arrest
2-Jail

 

[BigJimEd]

Isn’t this pretty common? There’s like 10 new pictures on the TSA counter of guns found in carry ons every time I go to the airport.

Edit: yea, stupid as hell, of course

9th and 10th guns at Logan this year.

The TSA said these were the ninth and 10th firearms discovered by TSA in carry-on luggage at Boston's Logan Airport in 2023.

"More than 2,900 firearms have been discovered by TSA officers nationwide so far this year," the statement said. "More than 92% of those have been loaded."

https://www.wcvb.com/article/patriots-player-jack-jones-arrested-at-logan-airport-security-police-say/44228582

 

[BigJay]

That's the mandatory minimum for a conviction no? Some folks are acting like it goes:

1-Arrest
2-Jail

Exactly. My guess is he doesn't spend a second in prison. He'll have to turn in his guns & agree not to have any in the future, pay fine, community service, and a lengthy probation.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Exactly. My guess is he doesn't spend a second in prison. He'll have to turn in his guns & agree not to have any in the future, pay fine, community service, and a lengthy probation.

I wonder how enforceable that would be

 

[pappymojo]

Legit chance he is fucked. Massachusetts is way stricter than just about any other state in the country. Mandatory minimums.

My brother got two years in a similar situation but of course he had way less money for an attorney. Took about 3 years for his case to get in front of a judge.

 

[Montana Fan]

Anyone remember Plaxico Burress? Shot himself in the leg in NY and it wasn’t reported by the club or the hospital. He did 20 months in jail for violating NYC gun possession laws. I’m in agreement that this guy is going to jail, as he or anyone else should.

And I’m kidding. I know you all remember Plax.

 

[Cellar-Door]

So looked up the Quinnen Williams thing, slightly less severe (his was unloaded, and he volunteered that he had forgot it and surrendered it at checkin when asked if he had a firearm). New York let him plea to disorderly conduct, paid a fine and forfeited the weapon.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Anyone remember Plaxico Burress? Shot himself in the leg in NY and it wasn’t reported by the club or the hospital. He did 20 months in jail for violating NYC gun possession laws. I’m in agreement that this guy is going to jail, as he or anyone else should.

And I’m kidding. I know you all remember Plax.

Burress had an unregistered firearm. New York also had a law against carrying a loaded handgun without a valid license.

Jones' gun was registered and there is no state law against carrying it loaded. Pretty different circumstances.

 

[mikcou]

Burress had an unregistered firearm. New York also had a law against carrying a loaded handgun without a valid license.

Jones' gun was registered and there is no state law against carrying it loaded. Pretty different circumstances.

End results also matter. Plax was in a club and the gun fired. Even if it only hit him and not a third party, the reaction is going to be a lot different.

Jones is undeniably a moron (and I thought that before this - there was plenty of evidence from his undergrad days), but I don’t see his situation as at all similar to Plax.

 

[Montana Fan]

I’m sure you’re both right due to the different jurisdictions.

 

[BrazilianSoxFan]

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What we know - Jones was dumb and brought his gun through a security checkpoint. We DONT know the specifics. He very well may have had his FID card on his person (or not). In many states, this would be good enough to satisfy the laws of that state. Based on his tweets to Ja Morant, I assume he knows enough to have his FID, but missed the additional steps that vary by state.

...

His tweet to Ja Morant show that he knows to have a fall guy get a license. Doesn't do a lot of good when the gun is in his possession.

 

[mauf]

One airport I fly through somewhat regularly has big-ass signs at the entrance at the TSA checkpoint, reminding flyers that they’ll be in trouble if they try to bring firearms through security. Turns out they’ve had a lot of people plunk their guns on the conveyor thoughtlessly, as Jones appears to have done. As incomprehensible as it is to most of us, this is something an otherwise ordinary person does every now and then, with no malice whatsoever.

Jones will face potentially severe legal consequences for what he did, and rightly so, but I’m not feeling the outrage that other folks are about this incident. If his legal woes don’t distract him from doing his job for the Pats, I’ll be happy to root for him.

 

[GB5]

Let’s just say that the case resolves favorably for Jones. No jail time, instead he gets probation, community service, fines, etc.

Are we looking at him getting some time with the judge, jury and executioner Goddell, and what have those recent cases looked like?

 

[loshjott]

I was driving today and heard the blurb on the radio, but I heard “quarterback Mac Jones arrested.” Just now learning it was cornerback Jack Jones.

 

[TrotWaddles]

I’ve never owned a gun but a number of times I’ve forgotten that I’ve had a knife in my backpack (not like a Crocodile Dundee knife but still…definitely a knife) and gone through TSA. They’ve always caught it and have confiscated it. Obviously I meant no harm with it but I just forgot it’s there. They’ve been right to take it and I just blame myself for my own forgetfulness. Yes this has happened a few times actually.

I have no idea what happened in Jones’s case but it wouldn’t at all be shocking to imagine him thinking he was going to check the bag, then at the airport thinking, forgetting he had guns in there, nah I’ll just carry it on instead. I’ve done THAT (minus the guns) a few times too.

But either way… holy cow not good.

If he can't afford a separate range bag, it's a good thing he can afford a $30,000 cash bond.

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

He’s obviously a moron. But unless you think he was planning on shooting passengers, this wasn’t malicious or violent. I don’t care if the players I root for are dumb. If he’s too big a distraction for the team, I hope he’s cut, but if not, I don’t care. Being a nonviolent idiot isn’t really something I hold against someone

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

I also never want to watch miles Bryant be cb1

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

I’ve never owned a gun but a number of times I’ve forgotten that I’ve had a knife in my backpack (not like a Crocodile Dundee knife but still…definitely a knife) and gone through TSA. They’ve always caught it and have confiscated it. Obviously I meant no harm with it but I just forgot it’s there. They’ve been right to take it and I just blame myself for my own forgetfulness. Yes this has happened a few times actually.

I have no idea what happened in Jones’s case but it wouldn’t at all be shocking to imagine him thinking he was going to check the bag, then at the airport thinking, forgetting he had guns in there, nah I’ll just carry it on instead. I’ve done THAT (minus the guns) a few times too.

But either way… holy cow not good.

Not really the point but bro how do you forget knives multiple times? That’s hilarious but crazy

 

[Jinhocho]

Listening to 98.5 they also brought up that besides the FTC stuff having that large capacity mag is a big no-no and also carrying loaded firearms in an airport is a federal crime.

I think he's fucked.

A large capacity magazine in Massachusetts is a normal one in most states.

 

[BaseballJones]

Not really the point but bro how do you forget knives multiple times? That’s hilarious but crazy

I just keep one in my backpack not for any sort of self defense, but it's surprising how often I'm like, man, I need a knife to open this box or....whatever. Comes in handy. And because I don't use it every day, I often forget that it's in there. And then I take my backpack to the airport and bring it on the plane and voila.

Absent-minded I guess. LOL

So long story short, because I keep forgetting it, I've simply stopped carrying one around with me in my backpack. Thus, I'll never have it confiscated at the airport anymore.

Of course, now there are times when I'm like, dang, I really need a knife and don't have it with me!

 

[SumnerH]

Not really the point but bro how do you forget knives multiple times? That’s hilarious but crazy

C. 2008 I flew from Reagan National to Denver, then flew from Denver to Los Angeles, and then realized that I had a straight razor in my carry-on. I'd used the bag for a local (car) weekend trip and packed the razor in one of the pockets then, and forgot to remove it before my flight.

It's at least as dangerous as a box cutter (see: Reservoir Dogs) and a TSA no-no, but it was missed in screening twice in a row including once out of supposedly high-security DCA.

I checked it for the flight back to DC from LAX.

 

[dcdrew10]

C. 2008 I flew from Reagan National to Denver, then flew from Denver to Los Angeles, and then realized that I had a straight razor in my carry-on. I'd used the bag for a local (car) weekend trip and packed the razor in one of the pockets then, and forgot to remove it before my flight.

It's at least as dangerous as a box cutter (see: Reservoir Dogs) and a TSA no-no, but it was missed in screening twice in a row including once out of supposedly high-security DCA.

I checked it for the flight back to DC from LAX.

I did something similar in Jan 2002. Flying from Boston to LAX to Sydney for study abroad, I used my hiking day pack as my carry on and forgot that I had my 2.5in folding/locking knife and a lighter in the hip pocket of the pack. I didn't realize until on the flight to Sydney when I felt something in the pocket opened it up and to see the knife and lighter. I though that they would have been a bit tighter on carry on inspection, considering it was only a few months after 9/11, but I went through two security screenings, so maybe not? I also stupidly had a couple grams of hash in my checked luggage; 20 is a stupid age.

So this shit does happen, but less so when it is multiple firearms, clips, and ammo. That shit is just beyond 20 year old boy stupid.

 

[BaseballJones]

I did something similar in Jan 2002. Flying from Boston to LAX to Sydney for study abroad, I used my hiking day pack as my carry on and forgot that I had my 2.5in folding/locking knife and a lighter in the hip pocket of the pack. I didn't realize until on the flight to Sydney when I felt something in the pocket opened it up and to see the knife and lighter. I though that they would have been a bit tighter on carry on inspection, considering it was only a few months after 9/11, but I went through two security screenings, so maybe not? I also stupidly had a couple grams of hash in my checked luggage; 20 is a stupid age.

So this shit does happen, but less so when it is multiple firearms, clips, and ammo. That shit is just beyond 20 year old boy stupid.

Total derailment of the thread here but you mentioning how soon it was after 9/11 prompted this memory.

I live in CT and two weeks after 9/11 I went to NYC to help serve with the Salvation Army for a few days doing any sort of relief work they needed. I went to ground zero, and it was still smoking. Just unreal. Anyway, I took the train down to NYC from Milford, CT. I hopped on the train, carrying my backpack. There was NO security at the train station in Milford. None. I could have had anything in my backpack. The train took me to Grand Central and I got out and walked into the main terminal. Thousands of people milling about. I think I saw a single cop there, but no real security either. And I thought - remember, this is TWO WEEKS after 9/11 - if a person wanted to blow up Grand Central *and get away with it*, it would be pretty hard to do, with modern forensics, security cameras, etc. But if a person wanted to blow up Grand Central and kill thousands, *if they didn't care about dying in the process* (i.e., the guys who hijacked the planes), then there's literally nothing stopping that person. I could have had 20 pounds of C-4 in my backpack and there wasn't a soul who even bothered to check any of it out. Of someone could have had a machine gun in a guitar case or whatever.

It hit me how easy it would be to commit a terrorist act - if, again, you didn't mind dying in the process - and how hard it is to prevent them from happening.

Anyway, isn't THAT a frigging lovely thought on a Sunday morning......

 

[Patriot_Reign]

A large capacity magazine in Massachusetts is a normal one in most states.

Yeah, heard that when clarified his were 15 rounds vs 10 round max here.

 

[Patriot_Reign]

Anyway, isn't THAT a frigging lovely thought on a Sunday morning......

I've ridden the subway for decades to and from work and since 9/11 it's amazed me that someone hasn't strapped on a suicide vest and detonated themselves on a packed platform or train. Maybe once or twice a year I'll be going through the Harvard Sq T stop and there would be this police show of force where they had bomb sniffing dogs and some other forms of electronic detection but other then that there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from walking off the street and carrying out the attack. And besides the obvious physical carnage the economic and emotional damage would be enormous. The entire T would have to be shut down for who knows how long while they figured out protocols where every rider was screened before going in. And even with that how many people are going to feel comfortable returning to that method of transportation?

Sorry for continuing off topic, just something that's bugged me for a long time.

 

[BaseballJones]

I've ridden the subway for decades to and from work and since 9/11 it's amazed me that someone hasn't strapped on a suicide vest and detonated themselves on a packed platform or train. Maybe once or twice a year I'll be going through the Harvard Sq T stop and there would be this police show of force where they had bomb sniffing dogs and some other forms of electronic detection but other then that there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from walking off the street and carrying out the attack. And besides the obvious physical carnage the economic and emotional damage would be enormous. The entire T would have to be shut down for who knows how long while they figured out protocols where every rider was screened before going in. And even with that how many people are going to feel comfortable returning to that method of transportation?

Sorry for continuing off topic, just something that's bugged me for a long time.

Yeah, no, I totally get it.

 

[Rovin Romine]

Edit - according to Harry's post above, it looks like he lives in Arizona and followed all Arizona laws. Stating that he thought he was fine as long as he followed his own state laws is probably enough for both examples above.

Except he brought two loaded handguns into the airport at Logan from somewhere else in MA. And then he attempted to get on a plane with them.

He very well may be charged with lessers if there are mitigating factors, but the most central one almost certainly will not be: "Well, unlike the rest of the people who live and work in MA, in my own mind I live in Arizona/Montana/West Pennsultucky and it's all anybody can concealed-carry onto airplanes there, all the time, so we're good, right?"

 

[Jimbodandy]

A large capacity magazine in Massachusetts is a normal one in most states.

Yeah, heard that when clarified his were 15 rounds vs 10 round max here.

And 15+ magazines aren't even illegal here. Older ones are legacy approved, and your license will determine whether you can have them or not (depends on town).

17 round Glock magazines are pretty commonplace.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Except he brought two loaded handguns into the airport at Logan from somewhere else in MA. And then he attempted to get on a plane with them.

He very well may be charged with lessers if there are mitigating factors, but the most central one almost certainly will not be: "Well, unlike the rest of the people who live and work in MA, in my own mind I live in Arizona/Montana/West Pennsultucky and it's all anybody can concealed-carry onto airplanes there, all the time, so we're good, right?"

Yeah, that's fair. I'm not a lawyer and have no idea how they'd present a defense.

 

[Saints Rest]

Total derailment of the thread here but you mentioning how soon it was after 9/11 prompted this memory.

I live in CT and two weeks after 9/11 I went to NYC to help serve with the Salvation Army for a few days doing any sort of relief work they needed. I went to ground zero, and it was still smoking. Just unreal. Anyway, I took the train down to NYC from Milford, CT. I hopped on the train, carrying my backpack. There was NO security at the train station in Milford. None. I could have had anything in my backpack. The train took me to Grand Central and I got out and walked into the main terminal. Thousands of people milling about. I think I saw a single cop there, but no real security either. And I thought - remember, this is TWO WEEKS after 9/11 - if a person wanted to blow up Grand Central *and get away with it*, it would be pretty hard to do, with modern forensics, security cameras, etc. But if a person wanted to blow up Grand Central and kill thousands, *if they didn't care about dying in the process* (i.e., the guys who hijacked the planes), then there's literally nothing stopping that person. I could have had 20 pounds of C-4 in my backpack and there wasn't a soul who even bothered to check any of it out. Of someone could have had a machine gun in a guitar case or whatever.

It hit me how easy it would be to commit a terrorist act - if, again, you didn't mind dying in the process - and how hard it is to prevent them from happening.

Anyway, isn't THAT a frigging lovely thought on a Sunday morning......

I had a similar thought back then, but it revolves around Penn Station when a big event was happening upstairs at MSG. Get on LIRR or NJTransit with suitcases (which would look normal for those lines) filled with explosives. Detonate I’m the station and take out two commuter rail hubs, two subway lines, and MSG. Do it around 7pm on a concert or sports event and the human toll would be enormous.

of course, I now expect Homeland Security to show up at my house.

 

[BaseballJones]

I had a similar thought back then, but it revolves around Penn Station when a big event was happening upstairs at MSG. Get on LIRR or NJTransit with suitcases (which would look normal for those lines) filled with explosives. Detonate I’m the station and take out two commuter rail hubs, two subway lines, and MSG. Do it around 7pm on a concert or sports event and the human toll would be enormous.

of course, I now expect Homeland Security to show up at my house.

Totally. And to be extra macabre, I thought...man, at my town's Little League opening day, there's two fields and about 500 total people there milling around. You could drive a pickup truck right up into the parking lot behind home plate of both fields, blow up fertilizer like in the Oklahoma City bombing, and kill hundreds. And then people would think that NOBODY is EVER safe, if they will do that to a freaking Little League opening day in a small town.

Thank God that they didn't do that, obviously. But man, yeah, there's only about a million different ways that terrorists could truly terrorize us.

Ok I gotta stop thinking about this....

 

[Reardon's Beard]

I've ridden the subway for decades to and from work and since 9/11 it's amazed me that someone hasn't strapped on a suicide vest and detonated themselves on a packed platform or train. Maybe once or twice a year I'll be going through the Harvard Sq T stop and there would be this police show of force where they had bomb sniffing dogs and some other forms of electronic detection but other then that there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from walking off the street and carrying out the attack. And besides the obvious physical carnage the economic and emotional damage would be enormous. The entire T would have to be shut down for who knows how long while they figured out protocols where every rider was screened before going in. And even with that how many people are going to feel comfortable returning to that method of transportation?

Sorry for continuing off topic, just something that's bugged me for a long time.

Just because something like that hasn't happened could also mean that someone was stopped.

 

[djbayko]

Not really the point but bro how do you forget knives multiple times? That’s hilarious but crazy

Unfortunately, it looks like @BaseballJones’ NFL career was over before it started.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Why haven't the Patriots come out with anything?

 

[Pandemonium67]

Maybe this was a '70s thing, but I always had a Swiss army knife with me. I mean, screwdrivers, corkscrew, tweezers, bottle opener -- you could never tell when you'd need a tool. There was always one in the bottom of my pack.

As a result, I had at least two and maybe three or four SA knives confiscated at airports because I'd forgotten about them. (I also once handed my passport to a Japanese immigration officer with four hits of blotter acid in the pages, but that's off topic).

That said, I have little sympathy for Jones (but also hope he'll still be our starting CB this season).

 

[katnado]

C. 2008 I flew from Reagan National to Denver, then flew from Denver to Los Angeles, and then realized that I had a straight razor in my carry-on. I'd used the bag for a local (car) weekend trip and packed the razor in one of the pockets then, and forgot to remove it before my flight.

It's at least as dangerous as a box cutter (see: Reservoir Dogs) and a TSA no-no, but it was missed in screening twice in a row including once out of supposedly high-security DCA.

I checked it for the flight back to DC from LAX.

TSA missed two loaded 30 round AR mags twice in my carry on back in 2003. I didn't even realize they were in the bag until I was back home. TSA misses stuff all the time. They honestly exist to make people feel safe. They haven't stopped anything in their history of existence.

Now all the being said Jones is an idiot, but this isn't some huge offense where he was purposely trying to shoot up a plane. He was just stupid and put pistols in his carry on.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Why haven't the Patriots come out with anything?

They did, but it was actually nothing. Just said that they're aware of the situation, still gathering facts, and no further comment.

 

[BaseballJones]

Maybe this was a '70s thing, but I always had a Swiss army knife with me. I mean, screwdrivers, corkscrew, tweezers, bottle opener -- you could never tell when you'd need a tool. There was always one in the bottom of my pack.

As a result, I had at least two and maybe three or four SA knives confiscated at airports because I'd forgotten about them.

This was basically exactly my situation.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Why haven't the Patriots come out with anything?

They are on to the Texans