Sounds like the Yankees brought a knife to a gun fight. The irony in all of this is delicious.jon abbey said:
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10089241/robinson-cano-agrees-deal-seattle-mariners
10 years--$240 million. I can't imagine this ending well for the Mariners. Even with Robbie, are they even close to being a contender in the West?
10 years--$240 million. I can't imagine this ending well for the Mariners. Even with Robbie, are they even close to being a contender in the West?
santadevil said:
Robinson is his first name. So there's that.
In 5 years Yankee fans will be gloating about how they don't have to pay Cano the same way Sox fans have been talking about not overpaying for ARod for the last 4 years.
Trotski said:
I think the last three/four years will be horrible for the Mariners.
It only works overall if they surround him (quickly) with some talent. I assume they will do so.
Personally I am tired of these contracts on the roster. It makes the Yankees boring. The more Yankees there are making 20+ mil when they are 36 and older the better.glennhoffmania said:
10/240 is a huge contract for this guy, and can't blame him for bolting for that deal. IMO this is a lose/lose for MFY/Cano. He will never win with that team. The win/win would have been a Teixeira type deal offered initially, (versus the 7/140) and then go from there.
ThePrideofShiner said:
In fairness, most of the top-flight talent that left the M's did so about ten years ago. The biggest free agent who's walked in the Zduriencik era was Beltre, and he was coming off an abysmal five-year stint.
But why do you guys care? Except for this year because of the revenue sharing issue, when has a bad contract ever had an impact on future moves? That's what I don't get about Yankee fans' opinion of stuff like this. The reality is that it never actually matters.
Why shouldn't fans care about this stuff? It directly affects the team.
I'll meet you half-way though in saying that I think Arod has turned off a lot of Yankee fans to mega mega deals for a long time.
Why shouldn't fans care about this stuff? It directly affects the team.
I'll meet you half-way though in saying that I think Arod has turned off a lot of Yankee fans to mega mega deals for a long time.
Another good thing about this deal is the Mariners don't lose their first round pick because it is top-10 protected.
https://twitter.com/RobertMurrayMLB/status/409006293215506432
If the M's trade Walker for Price then flip Franklin for a bat (Billy Butler?) they're all of a sudden a pretty good team. A Felix-Price-Iwakuma starting trio with a middle of the order Cano-Seager-Butler is a pretty solid core.
If the M's trade Walker for Price then flip Franklin for a bat (Billy Butler?) they're all of a sudden a pretty good team. A Felix-Price-Iwakuma starting trio with a middle of the order Cano-Seager-Butler is a pretty solid core.
crow216 said:
yes and no. 2 of my friends are NY fans. They're happy they didn't match but they're devastated that Robbie Cano dontcha know is all gone.
jacklamabe65 said:
I can;t decide what's funnier about this comment:
1) Jacoby has no infield experience.
2) Jacoby throws left-handed
3) His arm is too weak for 2B.
I think the way to look at this from Seattle's perspective is that this amounts to a very, very high risk bet that Cano is going to help turn the franchise into a contender in the near term, and that becoming a contender over the next five years is going to have such a positive impact on their long-term revenue that they'll be able to survive the back end of this deal.TOleary25 said:
Sometimes I think people on this board understate the importance of future discounting on deals like this. Yes, this signing will almost certainly be a problem for the Seattle Mariners 2023 team, and for that matter, it will probably be a problem as soon as 2019 or so. But if they can establish themselves as a premier franchise over the next few years and build a loyal fan base then it will have been worth the money. With revenues looking to go nowhere but up, especially in a city with a booming economy like Seattle, there's lots of growth potential for this franchise.
It is a silly contract, but this is an odd time to show fiscal restraint in light of what they just shelled out for Ellsbury (a good player, but one who in four of seven seasons in MLB has put up an OPS+ below 100). They swapped out the significant competetive advantage of having their best offensive player at a middle infield position for a less accomplished offensive player who is far less of a given at the plate. Cano was the guy they should have been overpaying, not Ellsbury.
"We understand that John Henry Hal Steinbrenner must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction," Steinbrenner said Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln said. "Unlike the Yankees Mariners, he chose not to go the extra mile for his fans in Boston New York. It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes onto others, and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."
hbk72777 said:
2014 is a totally different situation than any other year because of the revenue sharing issue. If it wasn't for that, whether they pay ARod or not would've had zero impact on their offseason moves.
glennhoffmania said:
Not even for the penalty issue. A-Rod is still going to be a Yankee for 3 years after this one, regardless if he's gone this year. I don't want to watch that. They can't release him, they can't trade him, we're stuck with him.
We don't need more of those
PrometheusWakefield said:
Yeah, I agree with this. It is kind of like the Nationals signing Jayson Werth, except for a much better player. Either way though, it tells the league and the rest of MLB baseball that they are willing to do what it takes to win even if it means overspending.
This frees NYY to spend a crapload of money on a pitcher (which they need more than anything), Phillips and even more.
Maybe next year, but that happening was in play with or without Cano (given Lester and Price and maybe Scherzer hitting the market). Just baffling to sign Ellsbury and let this happen.canderson said:
ThePrideofShiner said:
Other than A-Rod, I don't know who they've actually let walk. They paid Ichiro and Felix Hernandez, while Griffey and Randy Johnson forced trades to get out of Seattle.
TheGoldenGreek33 said:
Yes. I don't think Cano will decline as rapidly as Pujols, but the Mariners don't have as much ability to absorb bad contracts as the Angels. In four or five years their rebuilding process should have given them another chance to compete, but by then Cano will be deteriorating.
This is where I've been. There is a good chance that Cano won't be playing good ball at year 7 of this deal. Year 10? I'm glad the Yankees finally drew a line and stuck to it.Yaz4Ever said:
I am shocked the Yankees didn't sign him. And there is no reason to think Seattle can't win the division next year. An agent just needs to point to the 2013 Sox to show his client how quickly things can turn around.
They would have been happy to do with Cano what they did for Ellsbury. It wasn't either/or. It's the years at the back end of the deal where the chance of an unproductive player is high that the Yankees balked.rembrat said:
I'm glad.
Myself, would much rather have had JE to M's (especially at only 7 years) and 10/240 Cano to MFY's.
I think this whole offseason has been remarkable, in part because the Yankees have spent a ton of money, and lost two top draft picks, and yet have not improved their team.
I doubt WAR numbers support this, but I honestly feel that the downgrade from Cano to Kelly Johnson (the likely replacement) is far greater than the upgrade of Ellsbury over Granderson. The McCann upgrade at catcher just about makes it a wash.
I doubt WAR numbers support this, but I honestly feel that the downgrade from Cano to Kelly Johnson (the likely replacement) is far greater than the upgrade of Ellsbury over Granderson. The McCann upgrade at catcher just about makes it a wash.
Reports of Jay-Z's demise may have been greatly exaggerated.
He's not a snake-charmer. Insanity on the buyer's part may play a part here.
He's not a snake-charmer. Insanity on the buyer's part may play a part here.
I agree with Cameron. When you factor in that the Yankees won't be very competitive for next year and possibly another, that 3-5 years of awesomeness turns into a window of 1-3 years of good, competitive teams with Cano in his prime out of a contract of 10.rembrat said:
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rembrant wrote:
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It reads like you'd be willing to accept four hours of taking it up the ass if you could get six hours banging a supermodel to start. Hey, I'm not judging.
The Mariners can afford this because the only guys they are paying over $2M are King Felix, Iwakuma and Willie Fucking Bloomquist.
Mariners look like this:
C - Zunino
1B - Smoak
2B - Cano
SS - Miller or Franklin
3B - Seager
LF - Bloomquist?
CF - Saunders
RF - Ackley?
DH - Montero
BN - Franklin or Miller
BN - ?
BN - ?
BN - ?
They aren't done yet. They still need to fill in their bench. if Ackley isn't going to the OF, then they have that spot and Bloomquist's (if he's going to be a UTIL) to fill, plus either Miller or Franklin to deal. I'm saying they could be in on any of the top FA OF and a few trade chips to get more bats. If they did something crazy like sign Cruz and Choo, their lineup could look a lot better.
Mariners look like this:
C - Zunino
1B - Smoak
2B - Cano
SS - Miller or Franklin
3B - Seager
LF - Bloomquist?
CF - Saunders
RF - Ackley?
DH - Montero
BN - Franklin or Miller
BN - ?
BN - ?
BN - ?
They aren't done yet. They still need to fill in their bench. if Ackley isn't going to the OF, then they have that spot and Bloomquist's (if he's going to be a UTIL) to fill, plus either Miller or Franklin to deal. I'm saying they could be in on any of the top FA OF and a few trade chips to get more bats. If they did something crazy like sign Cruz and Choo, their lineup could look a lot better.
It's nice to see a non-Yankee team make a splash signing, especially someone like Seattle who has been relatively quiet for the last while. I like them as a franchise.
I wish the Yankees had signed him just to cripple them in the future, so that sucks...they got Ells and McCann for the same price as Cano and don't have the 3 years at the end.
I wish the Yankees had signed him just to cripple them in the future, so that sucks...they got Ells and McCann for the same price as Cano and don't have the 3 years at the end.