Atlanta Braves @Braves 48s48 seconds ago
The #Braves have acquired RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyrell Jenkins from the Cardinals in exchange for OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden
Atlanta Braves @Braves 48s48 seconds ago
The #Braves have acquired RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyrell Jenkins from the Cardinals in exchange for OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden
I thought Heyward hit FA after 2015?jimc said:Feels like a win for the Cardinals to me, even with Heyward a FA after 2016.
BornToRun said:I thought Heyward hit FA after 2015?
Cot's has him as a FA after 2015.Red(s)HawksFan said:
Contract expires after 2015, but he's still got one year of arb eligibility in 2016.
BoSox Rule said:Did anybody anywhere have this? Looks like it was first announced by the official Twitter pages.
Cespedes for Shelby Miller?E5 Yaz said:The one interesting thing to me in this is that they didn't get a hitter back from StL. Obviously, the Braves aren't done; but their biggest issue last year was consistent offense and Heyward was there second biggest trade chip (after J Upton, if they choose to deal him). They need to get a hitter somehow.
RedOctober3829 said:Cespedes for Shelby Miller?
This is correct. No more Arb seasons. 2015 is his sixth season.MakMan44 said:Cot's has him as a FA after 2015.
RedOctober3829 said:Cespedes for Shelby Miller?
Snodgrass'Muff said:Yeah, I'm leaning toward this being a win for St. Louis. I'm assuming they mean to extend him and if the lack of an extension on Heyward in Atlanta was resistance from the front office, I would be surprised if we don't hear about the Cardinals locking him up soon. There was no way for Cherington to make a reasonable offer for Heyward before clearing the outfield logjam, so it's hard to fault him for not getting something done, but it stings that Heyward was so affordable and ended up somewhere else.
I don't think the Red Sox have a parallel piece to Miller, but they could have easily topped this deal. Even if the the Cardinals let Heyward walk after the season, this trade is still pretty much a win for them.moondog80 said:I think it's more like Cherington didn't want to meet the Braves' price. If they really wanted Heyward, they would have traded for him and solved the OF problem later. Just like when then traded for Cespedes ans Craig,
foulkehampshire said:I'm skeptical about Shelby Miller. He took a step back last year and is a 2 pitch guy.
Cardinals selling high on him, bravo.
Just a bit outside said:This is correct. No more Arb seasons. 2015 is his sixth season.
DrewDawg said:
If he took a step back last year, and he did, it's not selling high...but it does seem like a great trade for Cardinals.
DanoooME said:And Walden could end up being a key piece of the Cards' pen if he can harness his control a little bit more.
moondog80 said:Miller's overall numbers were down this year but he had a very good second half: 2.92 ERA, 0.986 WHIP, 2.84 K/BB.
jimc said:
Yeah looks like I was wrong---B-Ref claims that he is arb eligible in 2016 but it must be a mistake. They also have him a FA after 2015 on the same page so just a slip up I guess. Makes the trade seem a bit more sensible from the Braves end.
nvalvo said:I would have wanted Boston to beat that offer, I think.
gammoseditor said:
Heyward was traded for less than I expected, but it's hard to say how the Braves value Miller, and if they wanted a cheap, good, major league ready SP it's possible we couldn't beat the offer.
I also remember the scouting reports on Jenkins being very good. His results from last year are less impressive, but he's a good guy to have and I'm sure someone the Braves valued highly.
You mean that on a team with an insane lack of SPs and an equally insane number of OFs you want to trade a SP for an OF?nvalvo said:I would have wanted Boston to beat that offer, I think.
Hee Sox Choi said:It's getting apparent that the Braves and their new GM is punting this season and building for the future. I doubt they would want Cespedes now. But I'd sure like to get Justin Upton and extend him somehow.
Stats: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5222&position=OF
Snodgrass'Muff said:
He's going to be 27 next season. He's a piece you build around, not something you sell off when you hit the reset button. The Braves aren't looking at a terribly long rebuild, if they are rebuilding at all. Justin Upton isn't going anywhere.
glennhoffmania said:
There are several stories/rumors out there about Upton being on the block and talks with at least Seattle have already started. What do you know that everyone else doesn't? I'm not saying he'll be traded or not- I have no clue. But I don't see how you could make a statement like this so definitively.
Rumors are like neuronal responses to visual stimuli; every rumor will probably be popularized at some point during the offseason (just like you can find any neuron in any part of the brain that will respond to a specific visual stimulus).glennhoffmania said:
There are several stories/rumors out there about Upton being on the block and talks with at least Seattle have already started. What do you know that everyone else doesn't? I'm not saying he'll be traded or not- I have no clue. But I don't see how you could make a statement like this so definitively.
That's most likely because you've been spending time in the Rumors thread.Snodgrass'Muff said:
Because I hadn't seen all the rumors that had popped up today.
The question, in the end, is this: Who will be the better player the next five or six years? This might be crazy talk, but I’m not sure that it will be Stanton. I love the guy, love watching him play, but there seems a hype about him that doesn’t quite match the player. Meanwhile, there’s a sense of disappointment about Heyward from some that I don’t think matches either. Both the Marlins and Braves made major decisions about 25-year-old players on Monday. It’s at least possible that both teams will regret it.
glennhoffmania said:I think you mean the Rumours thread.
He's never going back again.someoneanywhere said:That's most likely because you've been spending time in the Rumors thread.