Philly next year could be adding 2 lotto picks and Noel. That team could land the 8th seed in a terrible east.
The protection on the Philly pick means that it becomes 2 seconds next yeargmogmo said:What's the other 2nd rounder we're receiving? The Heat 2nd rounder this year? (last pick of draft)
Especially given that Crawford is an RFA after this year. He's both a project and a rental, which is an awful combination from a value perspective.bowiac said:Agreed. I think hoping for a guaranteed first rounder for some flotsam was asking a bit much, even if the flotsam has been playing well of late.
Save money! And maybe make room for Bynum.moondog80 said:What's Miami's motivation here?
wutang112878 said:I cant figure out why we didnt deal with Miami and just eliminate GS. It seems Miami wanted to get out of Anthony's salary next year and get a SG which they have talked about for a while. Everything we got was from Miami and from Miami's perspective isnt Crawford/Brooks preferable than Toney? And Crawford, Brooks and Toney are all expiring deals. I just cant figure that out.
zenter said:
Roster space? By my count, Miami has 15 men on the roster right now.
wutang112878 said:
But if that was the problem why not trade for just Crawford, or if they wanted Brooks as well they could have added in James Jones or Roger Mason who are useless to them
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:If Philly uses its cap space intelligently, they could really surprise people next year with a Young/MCW/Noel/2014 Pick/Free Agent core. Give them one of the wings in the draft plus a free agent big and that's a frisky team. I think getting rid of Evan Turner is also likely to be addition by subtraction for them.
The Social Chair said:
Philly gets New Orleans 1st round pick in 2014 as well, and it's only top 5 protected.
For the Heat, this is from Chad Ford. They want Anthony off the cap next year and want to clear a bit more this year to add Bynum:zenter said:
Probably salary cap? Adding Mason puts the Celts in the area between 125 and 150%, so the trade MAY be illegal depending on overall cap situation. Jones is a nonstarter in this respect. Besides, not sure the Heat really want a Crawford (7th-8th guy) versus a cheaper and further-down-bench Douglas.
So many things that can happen this summer if LeBron James opts out of his contract. Heat knew Anthony would be picking up his $3.8 million option next year and wanted that contract off the books to help with their flexibility. They know that LeBron will leave if he finds a better situation elsewhere. They want to make sure they have the cap flexibility to bring in the players they need to next year. And as far as this year goes, this move is probably a forerunner to them signing Andrew Bynum.
leetinsley38 said:For the Heat, this is from Chad Ford. They want Anthony off the cap next year and want to clear a bit more this year to add Bynum:
zenter said:
Probably salary cap? Adding Mason puts the Celts in the area between 125 and 150%, so the trade MAY be illegal depending on overall cap situation. Jones is a nonstarter in this respect. Besides, not sure the Heat really want a Crawford (7th-8th guy) versus a cheaper and further-down-bench Douglas.
wutang112878 said:
Anthony's salary is $3.8M, Jones is $1.5M, Crawford's is $2.1M, Brooks is $1.2M so the Heat would be sending out $2M more than us. As luck would have it Keith, no guaranteed money after this year, Bogans makes $5M. So if Miami just wanted a salary dump, we could have done a Bogans/Anthony & picks. If they wanted a 2, Crawford/Bogans = $7.1M for Anthony/JamesJones/RogerMason & picks = $6.7M
I guess my point is that if our motivation was picks, and Miami's was salary dump, there were ways to accomplish this and we could have kept Crawford or Brooks or both. It seems GS just stole stuff from both of us. Miami got Toney who I think is worse than Crawford, and we probably could have kept Crawford if we just dealt with Miami.
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Given the blizzard of injuries in the East and the actively tanking western teams, there's very little chance of the Pelicans winning the lottery and keeping their pick. The Gordon trace rumors would seem to indicate that they understand this.Jeff Van GULLY said:New Orleans might tank enough to get a top 5, it's going to be a race to the bottom for them with Anderson and Holiday out.
zenter said:
No no no... Celts can't do a direct trade with Heat for Heat's roster issues and Celts' cap issues. Assuming Celts want to get something for Crawford and clear Bogans, after the Lee trade, it's unclear if they're out of the tax-exempt zone, which means the max they can safely take back is 125%. Anthony+Mason is greater than 125% of Crawford+Bogans, and Jones is well outside the Celts' 150% limit.
Again, the Heat want Bynum and there is competition for his services. They probably need to use some of the space this year from the Anthony/Toney salary difference to put towards his signing. Theoretically if he's motivated/healthy he can help bang with the Pacers.wutang112878 said:
Anthony ($3.8), Mason ($1.4) and Jones ($1.5) are a total of $6.7
Bogans ($5) and Crawford ($2.1) are a total of $7.1M
In that scenario we are taking less money back, and it actually clears a roster spot for Miami. I am thinking I should have brokered this deal between Danny and Riley. Actually thats probably the problem, those 2 have hated each other since Riley's Laker days
wutang112878 said:
Anthony ($3.8), Mason ($1.4) and Jones ($1.5) are a total of $6.7
Bogans ($5) and Crawford ($2.1) are a total of $7.1M
In that scenario we are taking less money back, and it actually clears a roster spot for Miami. I am thinking I should have brokered this deal between Danny and Riley. Actually thats probably the problem, those 2 have hated each other since Riley's Laker days
Mloaf71 said:Do we have a running talley of all the C's picks over the coming years?
bowiac said:Agreed. I think hoping for a guaranteed first rounder for some flotsam was asking a bit much, even if the flotsam has been playing well of late.
Kliq said:The second round is basically one giant crapshoot. Chances are you are going to end up with nothing, but there is a fair chance to nab a rotation player and a slim chance that a real impact player can be found. Talented players that have issues (injuries/off the court etc.) are the best way to go, and with multiple 2nd picks, the Celtics can afford to take a chance or two. The Celtics don't really have a great recent history with the second round though.
2012: Kris Joseph-Syracuse SF, now in France.
2011: E'Twaun Moore- Purdue PG, short stay, now in Orlando, end of the rotation PG for a bad team.
2010: Luke Harangody-Notre Dame PF, played sparingly, now in Russia.
2009: Lester Hudson-UT-Martin PG, played 16 games for Boston before bouncing around the D-League, now in China.
2008: Semih Erden-Turkey C-Played a little for an injury filled Celtic team, traded to Cleveland and now is back in Turkey.
2007: Gabe Pruitt-USC PG- Barely played, now in Greece
2007: Glen Davis: LSU PF- Decent contributor for good Celtic teams, important player for Orlando.
2006: Leon Powe: Cal PF, Ok end of rotation big man for championsip team, now in Puerto Rico.
Not like the 2nd round record for most teams is much better, but Ainge's history indicates that it is likely we don't get an impact player in the 2nd round.
leetinsley38 said:Again, the Heat want Bynum and there is competition for his services. They probably need to use some of the space this year from the Anthony/Toney salary difference to put towards his signing. Theoretically if he's motivated/healthy he can help bang with the Pacers.
RedOctober3829 said:Tank-a-palooza is full on!!
If they're really tanking, they should push Rondo's return back a couple days just to get through this stretch of TOR, LA, @ORL when they otherwise might be in danger of finally winning a game in 2014.Koufax said:Tonight's game will be a real laugher. They have two healthy guards on the roster, one of whom belongs in the D league and the other of whom has been on the team for a week or two. Talk about chemistry!
Is Avery Bradley hurt?Tonight's game will be a real laugher. They have two healthy guards on the roster, one of whom belongs in the D league and the other of whom has been on the team for a week or two. Talk about chemistry!
Wallace is going to play point.Koufax said:No. As I have proven before on this column, I can't count.
OK, three guards, one of whom belongs in the D League, one of whom is very new to the team, and the other of whom can't dribble or pass very well and, when asked to do either, can't shoot well either.
Feel better?
It is reasonable for the Sixers to win 36-games and make the playoffs one of the next two years in this EC. Doing so will likely net us a pick in the 15-18 range which is an excellent pick that has produced a shit load of quality players over the past several years.Morning Woodhead said:
Im holding out hope that with Nerlens Noel coming back, and whoever they draft in the lottery this year, they can sneak into a 7/8 seed next year. Stranger things have happened.
Those who don't know Crawford's history can't possibly understand how large of a tool he really is. Ran himself out of Indiana, then out of Xavier a year later. One full year with the Wizards yet couldn't make it through year two without wearing out his welcome there and now on the road once again. Can't wait to hear some behind the scenes stories here although Ainge's crew does a pretty good job keeping these things in house.Don Buddin's GS said:As a University of Dayton grad, nothing pained me more than having to watch a Xavier toolbox like Crawford play for the Cs. Now, if the Green can just find a way to promote UD grad Chris Wright from the CBA Maine Red Claws I'll be doubly delighted.
In fairness to them it is easier to blend a donkey into a winning culture as donkeys are also typically cowards in disguise. The Spurs kept S-Jax under wraps for years, we did with Lil Nate, etc. In theory, JC is an ideal backup to Curry who can also play with him......mind you, this is in theory.Eddie Jurak said:in other words, the Golden State Warriors?
maufman said:Obvious SSS issues aside, that's a 25% success rate (Powe, Davis, and six scrubs). Not coincidentally, the two hits pre-date KG's arrival, the last time the C's had decent draft position in the second round; if the Philly pick converts to two second rounder, at least one (and probably both) of those picks will be earlier than the C's have picked in recent tears. So your analysis suggests they have at least a 50/50 shot of landing a useful player -- which is probably about the same chance as they'd have with a single 1st rounder in the mid-late teens, albeit with a lesser chance of lucking into someone special.
If history is any indication JC will be fine this year and the Warriors have no further commitment. I don't mind it from their perspective......I'm just glad he's no longer our problem.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:If Crawford becomes a problem for Golden State, they will cut bait quickly.
A lot of folks who follow the Warriors have questions about Jackson's in-game coaching strategies (especially now that Malone is in Sacramento) but he is one of the rare coaches in the league who truly runs the locker-room. The roster, top to bottom, is filled with "team" guys and its not a mistake that the organization resembles, in some fashion, the Spurs or even the "Ubuntu" Celtics squad. This is what the owners, Myers and Jackson are going for in Oakland. Either Crawford will accept his role and play hard or he will be gone and it will be next man up.