BOS-GS-MIA trade: Crawford and Brooks for Anthony and draft picks
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There is a third team involved in the Boston-Golden State deal that will likely provide Boston with a draft pick.
There is a third team involved in the Boston-Golden State deal that will likely provide Boston with a draft pick.
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From Miami, Boston will also receive Philadelphia's projected future first-round pick and a future second round pick, league source tells Y
Nice haul for a bunch of garbage. Pick is probably very heavily protected, but still.
From Miami, Boston will also receive Philadelphia's projected future first-round pick and a future second round pick, league source tells Y
Nice haul for a bunch of garbage. Pick is probably very heavily protected, but still.
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From Miami, Boston will also receive Philadelphia's projected future first-round pick and a future second round pick, league source tells Y
From Miami, Boston will also receive Philadelphia's projected future first-round pick and a future second round pick, league source tells Y
Philly pick is a 2014 pick, and is 1-14 protected. After that it becomes a 2nd rounder. So basically the deal is Anthony and 2 second rounders.
Edit: Apparently lottery protected next two years. Hoopshype seems to have had it wrong. Still pretty likely to be a 2nd round pick in 2015.
Edit: Apparently lottery protected next two years. Hoopshype seems to have had it wrong. Still pretty likely to be a 2nd round pick in 2015.
Here are the details on the Philly pick to Miami that the C's are receiving:
2014 first round draft pick to Miami
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Miami protected for selections 1-14 in 2014 or 1-14 in 2015; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Miami by 2015, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2015 2nd round pick and 2016 2nd round pick to Miami [Miami-Philadelphia, 6/28/2012]
2014 first round draft pick to Miami
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Miami protected for selections 1-14 in 2014 or 1-14 in 2015; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Miami by 2015, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2015 2nd round pick and 2016 2nd round pick to Miami [Miami-Philadelphia, 6/28/2012]
Grin&MartyBarret said:
Im holding out hope that with Nerlens Noel coming back, and whoever they draft in the lottery this year, they can sneak into a 7/8 seed next year. Stranger things have happened.
dylanmarsh said:
It's not quite a 1st round pick. It's possible that the Sixers make the playoffs next year, but I wouldn't bet on it. Either way, turning those two guys into 3 second round picks is nothing to scoff at.
So for the most part we get 3 2nd rounders.
Too bad that we took on a little extra payroll in the transaction. But we're likely to have a ton of extra cap room next year anyway.
I guess Anthony's expiring deal might be useful next season. $3.8M is a salary that can be mixed and matched in a number of deal permutations.
Anthony is basically useless right? Undersized center that plays average defense and is very limited offensively.
Besides Rondo, how do you guys see this impacting the minutes of players already on the roster?
Too bad that we took on a little extra payroll in the transaction. But we're likely to have a ton of extra cap room next year anyway.
I guess Anthony's expiring deal might be useful next season. $3.8M is a salary that can be mixed and matched in a number of deal permutations.
Anthony is basically useless right? Undersized center that plays average defense and is very limited offensively.
Besides Rondo, how do you guys see this impacting the minutes of players already on the roster?
What's the other 2nd rounder we're receiving? The Heat 2nd rounder this year? (last pick of draft)
Per Woj on Twitter. Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks to the Warriors. Toney Douglas to the Heat. Celtics get 2 picks and Joel Anthony.
Philly also will have a ton of cap space this summer. I have no clue if or how they'll use it, but that's a big X factor.Morning Woodhead said:
I am completely puzzled why the Warriors are making this deal. But if it means 2 more picks for Celtics, (do we know how high, what years?) and more likely that Rondo will stay (we just have Pressey, Bayless and Rajon now, right?), I love this move. Anthony I don't care about either way.
Also may mean we can move a big. Would be great if he were no-pass Bass.
edit: much less excited now. But hey, if it gives us chips to trade up in '16, not bad.
Also may mean we can move a big. Would be great if he were no-pass Bass.
edit: much less excited now. But hey, if it gives us chips to trade up in '16, not bad.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
The Warriors only had to give up Toney Douglas for Crawford and Brooks. Not much to lose by doing so.
Warriors have been displeased with Douglas - been looking to upgrade. No idea how he nets them Crawford and Brooks?!
Warriors bench is very thin. They had to do something.
Anthony's contract on the books for 2 more years at $3.8 mil per year. Second year is a player option.
Anthony's contract on the books for 2 more years at $3.8 mil per year. Second year is a player option.
What turns out to be a decent post- mortem for Crawford here: http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/1/14/5308112/the-rise-and-fall-of-jordan-crawford-boston-celtics-2013-2014-nba-season-analysis. One take away:
Crawford's FG% has been way down since December 9; I wonder if he is beginning to feel the effects of playing 35 mpg on a regular basis for the first time in a long time.
At any rate, given how much he needs to have the ball in his hands, I can't say GS is going to be a good fit for him. But he was enjoyable to follow, at least up to December 9 of this year.
Crawford's FG% has been way down since December 9; I wonder if he is beginning to feel the effects of playing 35 mpg on a regular basis for the first time in a long time.
At any rate, given how much he needs to have the ball in his hands, I can't say GS is going to be a good fit for him. But he was enjoyable to follow, at least up to December 9 of this year.
Yeah, I don't get it, especially given how weak those picks are. Tank hard now?
Guard: Lee, Bogans, and now Brooks + Crawford are out. That leaves the Celts with Rondo, Bradley, Bayless, and Pressy at guard.
Power Forward: Sully, Bass, Olynyk, Humphries, AND Anthony. This pushes Faverani out of the rotation, by my read, since some of those guys can play C.
I hope that 1st rounder is guaranteed in some way for the Celts (ie, if the 76ers pick is protected, they get a Warriors #1).
Guard: Lee, Bogans, and now Brooks + Crawford are out. That leaves the Celts with Rondo, Bradley, Bayless, and Pressy at guard.
Power Forward: Sully, Bass, Olynyk, Humphries, AND Anthony. This pushes Faverani out of the rotation, by my read, since some of those guys can play C.
I hope that 1st rounder is guaranteed in some way for the Celts (ie, if the 76ers pick is protected, they get a Warriors #1).
Morning Woodhead said:
Philly is likely to have a top 5 pick, a second lottery pick, Noel, Carter-Williams and $25mm in cap room. I think they'll be in the running for an Eastern Conf. playoff spot next year.
Realistically, they could be starting Noel, Thad Young, Turner, Wroten and Carter-Williams, with two lottery picks (for the sake of argument, let's say Wiggins and Vonleh) coming off the bench.
Given how bad the East is, there's a real chance Philly makes the playoffs next year. Hell, they're only 3 games out right now (although they'll obviously do what it takes to keep that from happening).
Crawford for a ~30% chance at a first round pick seems fine to me. What were we hoping for?
Crawford for a ~30% chance at a first round pick seems fine to me. What were we hoping for?
Miami basically just dumped Anthony so they can make a play at Bynum.
I'm going to miss Crawford just because he made the games more bearable to watch. If the Celtics are going to suck they might as well be entertaining while try suck, and Crawford was at least fun to watch.
At least this frees up more minutes for fellow Waltham Youth Basketball alum Phil Pressy.
I'm going to miss Crawford just because he made the games more bearable to watch. If the Celtics are going to suck they might as well be entertaining while try suck, and Crawford was at least fun to watch.
At least this frees up more minutes for fellow Waltham Youth Basketball alum Phil Pressy.
bowiac said:
A guaranteed low 1st-rounder? I'll take top-20 protected, guaranteed over a <50% chance at a 1st-rounder.
ifmanis5 said:
What is this based on? I'm not saying you're wrong, but who needs Anthony and what can he net the Celts?
zenter said:
The Celtics gave up Jordan Crawford and MarShon Brooks. Even the slight possibility of a 1st rounder is a steal. Nobody is giving up a guaranteed 1st for the C's garbage.
I am completely puzzled why the Warriors are making this deal. But if it means 2 more picks for Celtics, (do we know how high, what years?) and more likely that Rondo will stay (we just have Pressey, Bayless and Rajon now, right?), I love this move. Anthony I don't care about either way.
Also may mean we can move a big. Would be great if he were no-pass Bass.
edit: much less excited now. But hey, if it gives us chips to trade up in '16, not bad.
Others have already addressed this but the Warriors bench is awful. Crawford is an instant upgrade over Douglas in terms of shooting this season. Whether that is sustainable or not is a question as is whether Crawford can act as a backup PG. But the Warriors had to do something and they don't want to trade any of their core.
Douglas has to be pleased though...
Also may mean we can move a big. Would be great if he were no-pass Bass.
edit: much less excited now. But hey, if it gives us chips to trade up in '16, not bad.
Others have already addressed this but the Warriors bench is awful. Crawford is an instant upgrade over Douglas in terms of shooting this season. Whether that is sustainable or not is a question as is whether Crawford can act as a backup PG. But the Warriors had to do something and they don't want to trade any of their core.
Douglas has to be pleased though...
Grin&MartyBarret said:
You know, you're right. I'm overestimating Crawford, but he has been the lone entertaining guy this season, so I'm a little bummed. His numbers are actually a bright spot, and I wrongly figured they could sell higher. I guess Brooks lowers the value too.
I still don't get the PF stockpiling in the absence of a companion move.
Agreed. I think hoping for a guaranteed first rounder for some flotsam was asking a bit much, even if the flotsam has been playing well of late.Grin&MartyBarret said:
