Avery Bradley traded for Marcus Morris

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The guys I really wanted to keep are Smart and Rozier. I hope that this does it and that there are no impending deals involving those two.
 

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I don't think we could have realistically hoped for a better trade. Morris is an enforcer, which this team desperately needs. No more freebies past Al.
This is also suggests that the team thinks that Rozier can fill Bradley's spot, which my eyeballs agree with, based on Rozier's progress last year.
 

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OK, forgive me, but who is KCP?
Kentavious Caldwell Pope. He's a restricted free agent and started at SG for Detroit last year. Before this trade it was sort of accepted he was going to go back to Detroit no matter what but now there is some question that they actually match his offer sheet.
 

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My guess is Brown and Rozier split it.
I don't think Stevens really believes in having a 2. Hayward and Crowder can handle the ball just fine and can shoot. Stevens has like 30 lineups he can put out there that work.
 

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Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks said Brooklyn is not interested in KCP, but at this point he's there if they want him. Detroit is hard capped and won't be able to match a large offer sheet.
 

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Bradley was the logical choice to move given that he had the highest salary of the available options and the least amount of team control remaining. It's been fun watching him develop over the years, and I still believe the Celtics beat the Heat in 2012 if he didn't wreck his shoulder (he smothered Wade every matchup that year).

Morris is as good a return as could be hoped for, a legit rotation big on a cheap contract through next season is real value.
 

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Morris is basically a league average starter so a totally appropriate return for Bradley. I'm not sure I'd play him at the 4 all the time as it would be a stretch defensively and on the boards but he can be a regular rotation player.
 

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On the surface, I am thrilled at the return. A tough PF who can shoot some and on a cheap deal. How is he defensively?
I havent watched a whole lot of him. RPM has him as above average. Loved him two years ago as a two way player, in his first year in Detroit, when he was shooting better.
 

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Great trade for Danny. Morris at his salary is an asset and fits a need.
I think the answer here may be that Detroit is just a hair under the new cap (99M or thereabouts) so its 150% instead of 125%. Maybe the ESPN and RealGM trade checkers haven't been updated to reflect the new number.
According to this HoopsRumor article, it's not 150%, it's 175% + $100K up to a maximum of $5,000,000.

"As an aside, it’s worth noting that the NBA’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement was put to good use in this deal. Under the new CBA, over-the-cap teams are permitted to take back 175% of their outgoing salary, plus $100K, instead of 150% plus $100K (up to a $5MM difference in salaries). In the old system, Detroit would only have been able to take back up to $7.6MM for Morris, but the new CBA allows the team to squeeze in Bradley’s $8.809MM salary."

Note for those who are curious, since Detroit exceeded the taxpayer mid-level exception to sign Langston Galloway, they are hard capped at $125.266MM.
 

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This guy will be so wide open he should raise his percentages.

If he is played at the 5 and Hayward at 2, every guy on the floor will be a real 3 point threat.

Al/Morris/Crowder/Hayward/IT4 is a little better than
Faverani/Bass/Wallace/Green/Bradley

How things have changed for coach Stevens
 

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I don't think Stevens really believes in having a 2. Hayward and Crowder can handle the ball just fine and can shoot. Stevens has like 30 lineups he can put out there that work.
Right. Rozier's physique reminds me more of Bradley, and he can probably defend quicker players better than those two.
It is pretty amazing how, beyond IT, Horford and Morris, Stevens has a bunch of quality interchangeable parts.
 

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One more thing...a big thanks to those of you who are so incredibly cap-conversant.
 

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Assuming the other moves this offseason are around the edges, I am seeing a staring lineup of IT, Smart, Hayward, Crowder, Horford. Pretty, pretty, pretttttayyy good.
 

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Will the impending legal issues have any sort of impact? I read on the Wikipedia that he and his brother roughed up some dude who "may have sent their mom inappropriate text."

Court date is Aug 21 this year.
 

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I would not be surprised if Crowder still went. He seems somewhat redundant with Hayward, Tatum and Brown around, and I can see this being a big bowl of awkward.

I'm sure they will make it work if they keep him and Brad loves versatility and options. But Crawford still going would not surprise me.
 

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I would not be surprised if Crowder still went. He seems somewhat redundant with Hayward, Tatum and Brown around, and I can see this being a big bowl of awkward.

I'm sure they will make it work if they keep him and Brad loves versatility and options. But Crawford still going would not surprise me.
I'm sure they're actively shopping him for that exact reason, but he's a good enough player on a good enough contract that you really don't want to move him with a gun to your head.
 

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Will the impending legal issues have any sort of impact? I read on the Wikipedia that he and his brother roughed up some dude who "may have sent their mom inappropriate text."

Court date is Aug 21 this year.
I'm not that worried about a professional athlete getting out of legal trouble. This stuff usually has a funny way of working itself out.
 

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Seems as though there are still minutes for all these guys to play. Top 7 guys get ~30 minutes a game depending on matchups. The other guys (Rozier, Theiss, Zizic, Yabusele, etc.) fight for the remaining 30 minutes per game.

IT (30) Smart (30)
Hayward (30) Crowder (30) Brown (30)
Morris (30) Horford (30)
 

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What are the chances of signing Dedmond to the room exception? I feel we still need a rebounder/rim protector. Who is out there for that role that we can sign to the exception?

I've also heard on ESPN about Jamal Crawford being a target if he gets bought out by Atlanta. Wouldn't he be a little redundant?
 

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Seems as though there are still minutes for all these guys to play. Top 7 guys get ~30 minutes a game depending on matchups. The other guys (Rozier, Theiss, Zizic, Yabusele, etc.) fight for the remaining 30 minutes per game.

IT (30) Smart (30)
Hayward (30) Crowder (30) Brown (30)
Morris (30) Horford (30)
Does this assume that Tatum doesn't play regular minutes?
 

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Seems as though there are still minutes for all these guys to play. Top 7 guys get ~30 minutes a game depending on matchups. The other guys (Rozier, Theiss, Zizic, Yabusele, etc.) fight for the remaining 30 minutes per game.

IT (30) Smart (30)
Hayward (30) Crowder (30) Brown (30)
Morris (30) Horford (30)
Tatum?
 

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This is also suggests that the team thinks that Rozier can fill Bradley's spot, which my eyeballs agree with, based on Rozier's progress last year.
I love this trade so much on so many levels that I don't know where to begin.

1. We greatly improve roster balance with Jaylen and Rozier ready to take on greater roles.

2. We greatly improve the 4 position with a player whose style fits our teams philosophy.

3. We add a year of cost-controlled production.

4. We receive value in return for an impending FA.

5. We eliminate playing the season with uncertainty as to the direction regarding impending FA.

6. We protect against forcing minutes to Tatum in non-advantageous matchups much like we have done with Olynyk and Jaylen.

7. We clear the necessary cap space to sign Hayward.

8. We replace a player who is available 70% of the time with one who has missed 6 games in the past 4 seasons.

Freakin Danny!!!
 
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I would not be surprised if Crowder still went. He seems somewhat redundant with Hayward, Tatum and Brown around, and I can see this being a big bowl of awkward.

I'm sure they will make it work if they keep him and Brad loves versatility and options. But Crawford still going would not surprise me.
His contract makes him a huge asset for a team that is going to spend a lot of dollars to keep IT and (to a lesser degree) Smart next year. Also, while summer league has been encouraging no one should count on Tatum or Brown playing significant minutes in a playoff series just yet. My bet is Stevens closes games with Horford, Crowder, Hawyard and IT with the 2/3 depending on match up.
 

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He is a rookie on a team with, at this time, much better options. I assume he needs to earn more minutes before he is penciled in for anything substantial.
Exactly. Tatum will play a similar role as Jaylen did last year. Spot minutes here, spot minutes there, DNP-CD's also included in the mix.
 

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His contract makes him a huge asset for a team that is going to spend a lot of dollars to keep IT and (to a lesser degree) Smart next year. Also, while summer league has been encouraging no one should count on Tatum or Brown playing significant minutes in a playoff series just yet. My bet is Stevens closes games with Horford, Crowder, Hawyard and IT with the 2/3 depending on match up.
The x-factor here is whether Crowder wants to be here. There is definitely a role for him on the 2017-2018 team if he's ok with a slightly reduced role.
 

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Yeah, my first thought was that Tommy is going to love this guy.

And I agree this trade seems like a pretty clear win for the Celtics - we clear the necessary cap space and on top of that get a player signed for a year extra than Bradley was. They are a bit "thin" at guard now but as others have pointed out I'm not sure how much difference Danny/Brad see between shooting guards and "wings."
 

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According to a friend of Bradley, he is on a flight to Seattle and hasn't been notified of the trade yet.
 

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He is a rookie on a team with, at this time, much better options. I assume he needs to earn more minutes before he is penciled in for anything substantial.
Exactly. Tatum will play a similar role as Jaylen did last year. Spot minutes here, spot minutes there, DNP-CD's also included in the mix.
Agreed that he needs to earn his minutes, but Jaylen averaged 17 minutes a game as a rookie last season. Assuming 15 or so from Tatum, we aren't talking about Rozier, Theiss, Zizic, Yabusele, fighting for the remaining 30 minutes, more like the remaining 15.

Not that it's a problem from my perspective (as far as I'm concerned, depth plus competition for the young guys is a good thing). My point is only that there aren't as many minutes to go around as moops made it seem.
 

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Who knows? The minutes Tatum and Brown play are for them to earn.
I like Crowder, but if he's moved, so be it. It's not going to be a fire sale.

The thing I like about Morris isn't the skill, it's the nastiness. This team desperately needed more of that. Theiss may help too.
 

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I'm sure they're actively shopping him for that exact reason, but he's a good enough player on a good enough contract that you really don't want to move him with a gun to your head.
Exactly this. By clearing enough cap space to sign Hayward, Danny now removes all the leverage that other teams previously thought they had to negotiate a Crowder trade. He could still be traded but only if someone blows the C's away with an offer, or if Crowder gets to be a real problem, etc. (Another distinct possibility is just waiting to see how Crowder fits into his new role and then trading him during the season if it doesn't look like things are working out and/or as other teams get more desperate for pieces.)
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if JB starts so that Smart can lead the second unit.
I hope not. A guy who can't shoot from anywhere on the floor is not a good option to lead the second unit. He's a much better option to start, where we can hide his shooting in the corner (where he's at least average), and he can be free to wreak havoc defensively.

Celtics will run the ball through Horford a lot when IT sits, I would guess, with Rozier running some pick and roll. Rozier isn't a much better shooter than Marcus, of course, but he's at least shown the ability to get to the rim.
 

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Also, while summer league has been encouraging no one should count on Tatum or Brown playing significant minutes in a playoff series just yet. My bet is Stevens closes games with Horford, Crowder, Hawyard and IT with the 2/3 depending on match up.
Didn't Brown just play significant minutes in a playoff series?