All of a sudden that match at Goodison Park looks immense.
Assuming we get blasted by City, we could go into that match effectively tied.
Assuming we get blasted by City, we could go into that match effectively tied.
Arsenal 2013-2014: Insufferable & Unsuccessful -- And Worse than Chelsea
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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Even with a loss to Everton, Arsenal should, at least on paper, still be safe given the significant schedule disparity. Arsenal only has one game left after that against a team in the top half of the table (Newcastle) and it's at home, while Everton have to play both Manchester clubs and away to Southampton. That said, the psychological effect of looking up at the table and seeing themselves in fifth place a week from Sunday, with Everton having a game in hand, might really mess with their heads.
The real worry for Arsenal may very well be if Tottenham were to beat Liverpool this weekend. Tottenham have a pretty easy schedule coming home. But then again, if Spurs were to beat Liverpool, I think Arsenal would still be in really good shape for top 4.
You can go ahead and change the thread title now.
It's funny that the commentators after the game were going on and on how this was such a blow to Arsenal's title hopes. This was actually a big blow to their 4th place hopes.
It's funny that the commentators after the game were going on and on how this was such a blow to Arsenal's title hopes. This was actually a big blow to their 4th place hopes.
You know, all the pissing and moaning in this thread was making me instinctively dismiss the Gunners' fans' concerns over the club over the past couple of seasons, but that graphic it probably the clearest indication yet that something is seriously rotten in the State of Emirates. That's an unspeakably awful performance.
It's also wrong. We beat Man U at home a few years ago, Man City at home in 2011, and beat Liverpool at home this year. That's just off the top of my head.
There are 15 matches shown over five seasons, so that's one match per top four club per season (three per season, since Arsenal has been top four itself). Maybe it's away matches?
So we're 6-5-17 against the top four in the past five seasons, which is obviously not good enough anyway, but that's the actual record.
It might be away matches, the only away win we've had over a top four club in the past five years was at Stamford Bridge, when van Persie got a hat-trick. In fact, that's probably what it is.
It might be away matches, the only away win we've had over a top four club in the past five years was at Stamford Bridge, when van Persie got a hat-trick. In fact, that's probably what it is.
That has to be away matches only because we beat Chelski the day after Xmas like 3 years ago as well as all the other stuff Bonger mentioned.
Having said that... THATS STILL A HORRIBLE RECORD. 6-5-17? Barf.
Having said that... THATS STILL A HORRIBLE RECORD. 6-5-17? Barf.
If I was to guess, it's the away matches against the other 3 teams that finished the season in the top 4 for the past 5 years.
Except it hasn't been the same 3 teams in each of the past 5 yearsSoxFanInCali said:
2012/13: city, united, Chelsea
2011/12: city, united, spurs
2010/11: city, united, Chelsea
2009/10: united, Chelsea, spurs
2008/09: united, Chelsea, Liverpool
I'm assuming the chart refers to away matches against united, city, and Chelsea but the chart is very unclear.
That looks like a Sky graphic so I wouldn't take much notice of it anyway. I mean, this is a broadcaster that thinks football began in 1992.
I didn't say it was the same 3 teams all 5 years. I meant the other 3 teams in the top 4 each of those years, just as you laid out. I'm also counting this season and dropping 08/09.swiftaw said:
2013/14: City (6-3), Chelsea (6-0), Liverpool (5-1) - 3 losses
2012/13: City (1-1), United (2-1), Chelsea (2-1) - 1 draw, 2 losses
2011/12: City (1-0), United (8-2), Spurs (2-1) - 3 losses
2010/11: City (0-3), United (1-0), Chelsea (2-0) - 1 win, 2 losses
2009/10: United (2-1), Chelsea (2-0), Spurs (2-1) - 3 losses
1 Win, 1 Draw, 13 Losses. 15 goals scored, 42 conceded.
Yeah, that was my impression, it's one of those things that looks bad, but wouldn't be much different for most teams. Liverpool lost all 3 games away this season to City, Chelsea, and Arsenal, for example.
Arsenal playing a one-off friendly in the US July 26th at Red Bull Stadium against NYRB
stadium caps at 25k, getting tickets is gonna be so fucking annoying.
stadium caps at 25k, getting tickets is gonna be so fucking annoying.
Happy? None of you said anything interesting, so I went with something that I found amusing.The Gray Eagle said:
Here's the press release for Arsenal's NYRB game.
Considering the Gibbs 'bullet got the wrong bloke' sending off, what about Arsenal: They All Look Alike.
Arsenal and Spurs winning this weekend would make this title race veeeeeery interesting. Of course the chances of that happening are about as remote as me rooting for Spurs in the first place.
Really rooting for Wenger's Stallions. Strong boys, great guys...they'll give City a match to remember. They have to put the past behind them and just remember how skilled and talented they are. Playing at home in front of the best fans in the world. Come on the gooners.
Looks like every Arsenal match for the past two months
Turnovers after turnovers and getting annihilated on counterattacks
Turnovers after turnovers and getting annihilated on counterattacks
Why can't Wenger hypnotise all of his players and make them think they're Wigan or Sunderland or something?
My favorite part was how he got all shirty about a foul being called at all. That's politician-level chutzpah.
Much better 2nd half after they spent the 1st milling about looking mopey and uninspired. Flamini really put in a shift, Cazorla too.
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Whatever. If there's contact in the box - and there certainly seemed to be *some* contact - very rarely will a referee give a yellow for diving, even if he thinks it's not a penalty. And on a scale of zero to Luis Suarez, Rosicky's "dive" is hardly worthy of the term. So get over yourself.
Wouldnt go that far just yet. Everton's got 2 in hand. Win em both and we're only 1 ahead.ifmanis5 said:
Serious question: how many LFC matches have you seen this year? Have you seen the number of bullshit fouls that don't get called on him? The number of times he's fought thru multiple tackles in the box to create a shot?ConigliarosPotential said:
Ross Barkley has about five times as any egregious dives this year as Luis Suarez. But he's English, so he doesn't dive.
Serious question: do you think that matters anymore?JayMags71 said:
Once you have your reputation, which he's 100% earned, you have it. Tough shit.
Maybe we have to accept that reality from referees, but it sounds like you're suggesting that it's OK to just use lazy shorthand in posting here. If that's the case, I totally disagree. Anyone who watches matches regularly beyond just their own club would put Barkley, Ashley Young, or Daniel Sturridge at the top of that list. Hell, I could keep going, but you get the idea.
He's historically an egregious diver, I don't think its unfair to jokingly refer to a dive on a zero to Luis Suarez scale.
Cry about it.
Cry about it.
To be fair, i think his diving has got better. he does ride more tackles, and i think he's improved his diving form. In that it doesn't look like he's been shot by two snipers from either side of him. But he does get kicked about a bit too.
That's pretty rich coming from the guy who pitches a fit about Arsenal only dropping £40 million on new players every summer. I guess only complaints based in reality are out of line for you.mikeford said:
I agree that he dives but there is a bit of a difference at this point. Whenever Barkley clearly dives he gets chastised on Twitter and on the radio. Sooner or later he'll get that fixed hopefully before he garners a reputation.DLew On Roids said:
Meanwhile, Brendan Rodgers is calling things "Spanish penalties" and Sturridge dove for at least one penalty off the top of my head and there was probably a couple more. He's English too. Suarez does get kicked a bit esp. in the box but has been better about it this season. But how can Liverpool fans complain about the FA having an agenda or anything when they've won the most penalties (by some margin) in English football during the Premier League Era? They haven't dove all over the place but they also haven't been shafted when it really matters. Only notable denial was at Arsenal in the cup.
Edit: I thought Suarez fouled to score the 6th at Cardiff but we wouldn't wanna talk about that.
I think the Arsenal-City result puts 4th in nobody's hands yet. Must win for Everton at Goodison provided nothing goes wrong at Craven Cottage.
If you reeeeally want to complain about my choice of metaphor - in the context of some truly hyperbolic whining about how Rosicky should have been sent off - then I'll substitute Ashley Young for Luis Suarez if it makes you truly happy.
(I haven't even started about how players often behave differently after receiving their first yellow, in which case Rosicky may not have made the challenge which later earned him a yellow, or that Rosicky's challenge was itself far less egregious than the one Silva made a few minutes later. The whole complaint that Rosicky should have been sent off is utterly laughable.)
As for the rest of the match, the important thing in my mind is that Arsenal stopped the bleeding - Everton should now go into the match at Goodison Park feeling rather more pressure. The title race is over, but I'd be really surprised if Arsenal can't hang on to 4th.
(I haven't even started about how players often behave differently after receiving their first yellow, in which case Rosicky may not have made the challenge which later earned him a yellow, or that Rosicky's challenge was itself far less egregious than the one Silva made a few minutes later. The whole complaint that Rosicky should have been sent off is utterly laughable.)
As for the rest of the match, the important thing in my mind is that Arsenal stopped the bleeding - Everton should now go into the match at Goodison Park feeling rather more pressure. The title race is over, but I'd be really surprised if Arsenal can't hang on to 4th.
I am confused, because I think that people discuss whether Rossicky should have been sent off for diving, but there was a definitely a challenge he made when he already had a yellow for which if he had been sent off no one would have batted an eye. Really, it's one of those things where some refs go easy on you and some send you on your way and no one can argue the decision. If he were sent off it seems very likely to me that Arsenal fans would be complaining about how much of an idiot he was to act that way when he had a yellow.
Two tackles on a yellow. The last was probably a straight red. He was a cunt the entire match and could have broken silvas leg more than once.
I have no problem with the result, Arsenal played well and were up for it. Not many sides have been able to put City under that much pressure
I have no problem with the result, Arsenal played well and were up for it. Not many sides have been able to put City under that much pressure
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