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If Boston goes for Porter in the second round this thread might need to be renamed The Ben Hogan Suicide Watch.
 

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Boston paid him well and gave him an opportunity to get a lot of valuable run. It sucks that he will wind up in hoops purgatory but its likely a stop before a contender scoops him up before the deadline.
 

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Boston paid him well and gave him an opportunity to get a lot of valuable run. It sucks that he will wind up in hoops purgatory but its likely a stop before a contender scoops him up before the deadline.
I've heard speculation that the Suns don't really want Baynes and will buy him out, likely using dollars Boston sends along with him. So maybe Baynes gets a little extra money and free agency.
Wait. They traded their only big for nothing?

TimeLord, starting center?

I’m totally lost.
They will go after someone to fill that hole.
 

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If the Suns buy him out, I assume that counts somehow against their cap?

This whole thing just seems perplexing to me. As Scalabrine would say, Baynes is a bargain big, and you need one or more of those players on your roster. I don't understand giving away a valuable piece of the roster that you will then have to fill somewhere else (I can't imagine for significantly if at all cheaper). If they had drafted someone who could have potentially at least played some minutes I'd understand, but this whole strategy seems to make no sense.
 

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If the Celtics sign someone to a max (Vucevic or Russell), can they bring Baynes back on the MLE, or are there restrictions to re-acquiring him that quickly?
 

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If the Suns buy him out, I assume that counts somehow against their cap?
Yes, but this may not be an issue for them as they may not be intending to spend up to the cap.
This whole thing just seems perplexing to me. As Scalabrine would say, Baynes is a bargain big, and you need one or more of those players on your roster. I don't understand giving away a valuable piece of the roster that you will then have to fill somewhere else (I can't imagine for significantly if at all cheaper). If they had drafted someone who could have potentially at least played some minutes I'd understand, but this whole strategy seems to make no sense.
They are trying to open up cap space. You don't necessarily need a solid, reliable limited-minutes center to be mediocre.
If the Celtics sign someone to a max (Vucevic or Russell), can they bring Baynes back on the MLE, or are there restrictions to re-acquiring him that quickly?
Don't know the answer to that.
 

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If the Celtics sign someone to a max (Vucevic or Russell), can they bring Baynes back on the MLE, or are there restrictions to re-acquiring him that quickly?
Can’t re-sign in the same season so it depends on if that trade is official now or if it waits until July to go through, I believe.
 

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If the Suns buy him out, I assume that counts somehow against their cap?

This whole thing just seems perplexing to me. As Scalabrine would say, Baynes is a bargain big, and you need one or more of those players on your roster. I don't understand giving away a valuable piece of the roster that you will then have to fill somewhere else (I can't imagine for significantly if at all cheaper). If they had drafted someone who could have potentially at least played some minutes I'd understand, but this whole strategy seems to make no sense.
Title contenders need veteran bargain bigs on 1 year deals. We as presently constructed aren't one. They clear $8M in cap space to go get a player much better than Baynes, it's as simple as that. The strategy makes perfect sense, being a not that great team with a lot of cap space is better than being a not that great team with not much cap space, but a decent aging backup C who only played 800 minutes for you last year.

If the Celtics sign someone to a max (Vucevic or Russell), can they bring Baynes back on the MLE, or are there restrictions to re-acquiring him that quickly?
No re-signing. Also Celtics will only have the room exception, not the MLE, so I really doubt he comes back for that.
 

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Even if they sign a big who is better than Baynes, don't they need another big? I didn't see his deal as being above market - it was $5.9 million. Where does $8 million come from?
 

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Even if they sign a big who is better than Baynes, don't they need another big? I didn't see his deal as being above market - it was $5.9 million. Where does $8 million come from?
The pick he was packaged with brought it to 8M. And the point is to clear the cap space, they'd then likely sign a big at the minimum or with the room exception or BiAnnual exception. The point isn't that Baynes isn't good, it's that they need the cap space more than they need a 12 minute a night C.
 

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Yes, the cap space is key. Assuming that Irving and Horford leave, they can renounce Rozier and have room for a max player. Does Ainge have Mitch Frankel's phone number?
 

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Yes, the cap space is key. Assuming that Irving and Horford leave, they can renounce Rozier and have room for a max player. Does Ainge have Mitch Frankel's phone number?
Certainly seems like this is the play, with Kemba being the likely target. Probably leaves them a path to get under the cap again in 2021 if they let Jaylen walk next summer, but I don’t think Danny is committed to that (if he were, Jaylen would’ve been on the move on Thursday).
 

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Certainly seems like this is the play, with Kemba being the likely target. Probably leaves them a path to get under the cap again in 2021 if they let Jaylen walk next summer, but I don’t think Danny is committed to that (if he were, Jaylen would’ve been on the move on Thursday).
I love Kemba but he turns 30 next year. I’d probably rather gamble on Russell over him.
 

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I love Kemba but he turns 30 next year. I’d probably rather gamble on Russell over him.
I don’t love either of them and would prefer that Danny avoid making any long-term commitments this summer. As between the two, however, Kemba only costs money. (I don’t think there’s any chance the Nets don’t match a max offer to Russell.)
 

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I don’t love either of them and would prefer that Danny avoid making any long-term commitments this summer. As between the two, however, Kemba only costs money. (I don’t think there’s any chance the Nets don’t match a max offer to Russell.)
Fair position. I’m not convinced Ainge makes a big splash this summer.
 

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Fair position. I’m not convinced Ainge makes a big splash this summer.
It's a safe bet they're either going to make a max signing or take on a bad contract from another team. I can't imagine Danny desperately gave away a 1st round pick with Baynes in a cap clearing move to not use the cap space.
 

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I don’t know. Why deal Baynes if not to clear space?
I think he’ll absolutely go after a big acquisition but not confident we’ll land one at which point I expect a bunch of short 1 year deal signings. We’ll see.
 

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I think he’ll absolutely go after a big acquisition but not confident we’ll land one at which point I expect a bunch of short 1 year deal signings. We’ll see.
If nothing else, it opens up room to take on $10-15M of a bad contract in exchange for a late 1st rounder. 40% of a late 1st for Aron Baynes is decent value, especially since Baynes' value to the Celtics goes down a lot if they're not expected to contend.
 

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I think he’ll absolutely go after a big acquisition but not confident we’ll land one at which point I expect a bunch of short 1 year deal signings. We’ll see.
I think it'll be Vooch and I'm slowly coming around to the idea of signing him. PG TBD, Jaylen, Jayson, Hayward, Vucevic is a fun starting 5. At this point that's all I'm looking for. This team is getting the enema it needed and now hopefully they'll be back to fun basketball even if it doesn't necessarily mean coming out of the East.
 

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I think it'll be Vooch and I'm slowly coming around to the idea of signing him. PG TBD, Jaylen, Jayson, Hayward, Vucevic is a fun starting 5. At this point that's all I'm looking for. This team is getting the enema it needed and now hopefully they'll be back to fun basketball even if it doesn't necessarily mean coming out of the East.
I'm not a capologist... can they do that and still bring back Rozier? I bet Rozier wants back in now. Since we're not winning a title this year, I'd be open to seeing if Rozier can be a full time starter. Unless they see a veteran, playmaking PG out there and affordable.
 

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I would be reluctantly okay with Vucevic, who has shown really growth as a passer and shooter. There's some hesitancy with giving him max or close to max money for his age 29-33 seasons however if that's what it takes of course.

If they can add Vucevic and leave room for like, Tyus Jones, they may well avoid taking a step back next year.
 

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I'm not a capologist... can they do that and still bring back Rozier? I bet Rozier wants back in now. Since we're not winning a title this year, I'd be open to seeing if Rozier can be a full time starter. Unless they see a veteran, playmaking PG out there and affordable.
Depends what Rozier costs - there are scenarios where it's possible if Rozier is cheap enough and Vucevic costs less than the max, but it's likely to be somewhat tight.

More importantly, Rozier is a tire-fire, and we shouldn't bring him back at the minimum. But that's just like, my opinion.
 

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I would be reluctantly okay with Vucevic, who has shown really growth as a passer and shooter. There's some hesitancy with giving him max or close to max money for his age 29-33 seasons however if that's what it takes of course.

If they can add Vucevic and leave room for like, Tyus Jones, they may well avoid taking a step back next year.
Can't see him getting anywhere all that close to the max though. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see a huge market for Vucevic
 

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Can't see him getting anywhere all that close to the max though. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see a huge market for Vucevic
I assume Orlando would be fine up to about $22Mish, but obviously that's nowhere close to the max. Who else is there in the market for a center? The top east teams are basically set, I guess Brooklyn could make some sense, but I get the feeling they like Allen. No one in the west jumps out to me.
 

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Depends what Rozier costs - there are scenarios where it's possible if Rozier is cheap enough and Vucevic costs less than the max, but it's likely to be somewhat tight.

More importantly, Rozier is a tire-fire, and we shouldn't bring him back at the minimum. But that's just like, my opinion.
I've never been the biggest Rozier guy, even before this train show of a season (I'm a sucker for PGs who can pass the ball).

But he has some upside based on what he did in 18, and he would certainly be motivated.
 

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But he has some upside based on what he did in 18, and he would certainly be motivated.
Seemed like last year his motivation was to be paid. Do we want to pay him and see of that motivation transforms into better basketball after getting paid?
 

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Even if the Celtics can't get a max guy, just let Rozier walk and bring in Rubio or George Hill, either one of whom would be an upgrade.
 

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Tyus Jones would be great, Tremont Waters with Edwards and Smart may at least give some hope for the future, and the prospect of watching Rozier prove over and over that he’s still incapable of running a basic pick and roll makes me want to swear allegiance to the Pelicans.

With his passing and shooting, Vucevic has some Horford in him. Don’t have a great sense of his defense, but he graded out well in D-PIPM and rebounds well. He had a really good season for a team that dramatically outperformed expectations and he’s 28.
 

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Even if the Celtics can't get a max guy, just let Rozier walk and bring in Rubio or George Hill, either one of whom would be an upgrade.
George Hill is gonna find a contender to sign with. Rubio--man, not a great shooter, but a pass first PG would be interesting. He's still just 28. Seems like he's been around forever.
 

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Can't see him getting anywhere all that close to the max though. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see a huge market for Vucevic
This says it's expected he would get the max:

It is expected that Vucevic would command a max contract, which means that he's eligible to sign a five-year, $189.7 million deal with the Magic or a four-year, $140.6 million deal with another franchise such as the Lakers -- which would mean an annual salary of roughly $35 million. In other words, while the Lakers would love to sign Vucevic, I can't realistically see a scenario where that actually ends up being a reality considering he's a 28-year-old center in his prime who can sign for the max with Orlando.
 

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Depends what Rozier costs - there are scenarios where it's possible if Rozier is cheap enough and Vucevic costs less than the max, but it's likely to be somewhat tight.

More importantly, Rozier is a tire-fire, and we shouldn't bring him back at the minimum. But that's just like, my opinion.
Agreed. Now that Rozier's future salary is a deterrent instead of an asset I want nothing to do with Terry (even at Smart's price). Also, want nothing to do with MaMo (and his hideous defense).

Tyus Jones and Brogdon are restricted FA PGs Danny could target.

Not sure he'd be made available but Monte Morris would be inexpensive, under the radar PG I'd like to start for the C's next season. He's blocked in Denver with Murray/Harris starting. Torrey Craig/Beasley signed and on the bench. Offer a future 1st round pick & Edwards or Waters? OR maybe Denver attaches a bad contract to Morris...

If Indy resigns Thad Young, I want Danny to go after Sabonis hard. They have Turner signed up long term, Leaf/McDemott around for multiple years, and they played Young 30mpg compared to Sabonis 24mpg.
Until they traded for Warren the Pacers lacked wing depth.

What're your thoughts on adding Sabonis and Monte Morris to the Celtics starting unit next season?
 

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Why is Sabonis available? He's good and he's cheap for next 2 seasons.
 

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Why is Sabonis available? He's good and he's cheap for next 2 seasons.
He's a restricted FA next season, he's about to get expensive like Brown.

They have Turner signed for the next 4 seasons. They like Young at the 4. They drafted Goga. Leaf is there. They lack wings.

Brown for Sabonis works
 

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The rights to Langford and Yabu also works. Langford will certainly help the Pacers sell tickets.
 

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There is no indication that he is, especially since they're likely letting Thad Young walk
Thad Young has started 162 games for Indy over the last 2 seasons and averaged over 31mpg. That's a pretty good indication Nate McMillen likes him. I'd expect they'd retain him.

I doubt they want to play Sabonis and Turner together. Indy struggled to score when Sabonis/Turner were on the floor at the same time.