Lose Remerswaal said:Then who is the second C next year?
Probably someone not currently in the organization
Lose Remerswaal said:Then who is the second C next year?
JimD said:Wow - kudos to Ben for not screwing around and admitting when he was wrong.
E5 Yaz said:
Probably someone not currently in the organization
Just like Steven Drew won't be with the 2014 Red Sox?SouthernBoSox said:Um.... The season is over. Stephen Drew won't be with the 2015 Red Sox.
You know who will? Xander Bogaerts.
In 2015, 2nd C might be Vazquez. Hoping he's first though. Could Ross handle no. 2 for one more year?E5 Yaz said:
Probably someone not currently in the organization
Or Dan ButlerE5 Yaz said:
Probably someone not currently in the organization
2012 was a mirage, possibly drug induced; and he had a .676 OPS and .275 OBP in the second half of 2013. This was a terrible signing. Hundreds of SOSH memebers said so at the time it was announced.DrewDawg said:
There's a difference between being wrong and AJP simply not producing. If he had hit like the last 2 years this wouldn't have happened.
Lose Remerswaal said:
Why do that when you can have 2 cost controlled catchers?
I think the reasoning was that he projected as roughly average to slightly below, was familiar with the AL, was a LH so he could platoon with Ross, and didn't require a long-term commitment so you could DFA him quickly if he sucked and bring up the almost-ready Vazquez. That was always my understanding of the signing. This is all kinda what I expected, although I thought AJ would hit for a tad more average.Plympton91 said:Yup, I never understood the reasoning. His 2012 was nearly Brady Anderson-esque in it being a possibly drug-enhanced contract drive, and other than that he'd been averaging about a 90 OPS+ for years. Without Texas's rightfield porch juicing his HR total like it did last year, he declined into oblivion this season with one last payday from a team that bought his 2012. And, if you look at the second half of 2013, the decline into oblivion may have started at last year's all-star break. That makes me even more suspicious.
Still I'm surprised that the Orioles didn't want to take a flier on him. As a free agent, he may be able to go back to Texas.
Laser Show said:beaten repeatedly by corsi
Plympton91 said:2012 was a mirage, possibly drug induced; and he had a .676 OPS and .275 OBP in the second half of 2013. This was a terrible signing. Hundreds of SOSH memebers said so at the time it was announced.
Yes, I had that as the major reason for the timing in my post upthread. No question about it, IMO.Savin Hillbilly said:I wonder if one factor driving this decision and the timing of it is that Vazquez could benefit from a few months to sit at the feet of Blue Wolf while he's still here.
Plympton91 said:Yup, I never understood the reasoning.
mfried said:In 2015, 2nd C might be Vazquez. Hoping he's first though. Could Ross handle no. 2 for one more year?
rembrat said:Any chance Vasquez is 2nd cousin to the Flyin' Molinas?
DrewDawg said:
Oh, well then.
I could direct you to the archives where we lauded the coming of lots of saviors over the years. Some that played the same position as Vazquez.
EDIT: Not to say this wasn't the correct move now.
Nicely done there Sprowl. Tie in with last night's "soldier" theme too. Well played my friend!Sprowl said:Onward Christian soldiers!
That being said, AJP was just happened to be first in line of many who have been not producing to their previous outputs.DrewDawg said:
There's a difference between being wrong and AJP simply not producing. If he had hit like the last 2 years this wouldn't have happened.
Are you punting the idea of Xander being a shortstop? Because it's the only arguement for suggesting that Drew will be on the 2015 squad.Plympton91 said:Just like Steven Drew won't be with the 2014 Red Sox?
Reports were they offered him a 2-year contract but he preferred just the remainder of this year. They like him as a player, they just like him at their prices and term rather than Boras's demands. If he starts hitting again at some point and he's more reasonable this offseason, perhaps realizing that he's sucked donkey balls again and needs to redo the "make-do" contract year of 2013, they may try to get him for 2015 to be the bridge to Marrero. Of course "starts hitting again" is not something I'm sure he's going to do anymore, but if he does, then that wouldn't be a bad strategy at all.
That's all cute and everything but why is this news? What did you expect from Ross? He'd like to keep a paycheck too. Of course he's gonna help.soxhop411 said:
Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 45s
Ross said he and Vazquez have already exchanged cell phone numbers and he will do anything he can to help his development.
https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/486961210852511744
I see what you did there!Hee Sox Choi said:Yes, we are all happy AJ is gone but he did hit .282 / .319 / .400 vs. Rs for us. The big problem was Farrell would leave him in when a L reliever would come in late in the game or START him vs. a L (many times it wasn't the dreaded "day game after a night game). 33% of his ABs were against Ls and that should have never happened and many of us screamed about it in game threads.
But still, very glad AJ is gone. I need a new avatar.
SouthernBoSox said:Um.... The season is over. Stephen Drew won't be with the 2015 Red Sox.
Well as long as some of them don't get tradedsoxhop411 said:
Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 45s
Ross said he and Vazquez have already exchanged cell phone numbers and he will do anything he can to help his development.
https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/486961210852511744
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 2m
David Ross on Christian Vazquez: "I'm anxious to be part of the catching corps with him." Plans to attach himself to Vazquez going forward.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 2m
Ross: Having a pitching staff with veterans who already often call their own games will ease transition for Vazquez.
I hope it wasn't what Ben was 'expecting', I'd rather not have them bet $8.25MM on a average to below average 37yr old catcher to platoon.alwyn96 said:I think the reasoning was that he projected as roughly average to slightly below, was familiar with the AL, was a LH so he could platoon with Ross, and didn't require a long-term commitment so you could DFA him quickly if he sucked and bring up the almost-ready Vazquez. That was always my understanding of the signing. This is all kinda what I expected, although I thought AJ would hit for a tad more average.
Plympton91 said:Yup, I never understood the reasoning. His 2012 was nearly Brady Anderson-esque in it being a possibly drug-enhanced contract drive, and other than that he'd been averaging about a 90 OPS+ for years. Without Texas's rightfield porch juicing his HR total like it did last year, he declined into oblivion this season with one last payday from a team that bought his 2012. And, if you look at the second half of 2013, the decline into oblivion may have started at last year's all-star break. That makes me even more suspicious.
Still I'm surprised that the Orioles didn't want to take a flier on him. As a free agent, he may be able to go back to Texas.
Remagellan said:All the stuff about Ross and Peavy lately are reminders of what a terrific job the front office did in putting quality people in that clubhouse. Even when this team is struggling, it's a team full of guys who are easy to cheer for.
He also had a 0.319 BABIP against RHP's, but only a 0.213 BABIP against LHP's. This is well below his career BABIP splits of 0.300/0.280. So the disparity is likely BABIP driven over a SSS.Hee Sox Choi said:Yes, we are all happy AJ is gone but he did hit .282 / .319 / .400 vs. Rs for us. The big problem was Farrell would leave him in when a L reliever would come in late in the game or START him vs. a L (many times it wasn't the dreaded "day game after a night game). 33% of his ABs were against Ls and that should have never happened and many of us screamed about it in game threads.
But still, very glad AJ is gone. I need a new avatar.
koufax37 said:
Ross definitely can handle #2. Maybe we can find someone better as well, but while his career OPS trend is down and his age keeps getting older (funny the way that happens), he hasn't had a 200 PA season since 2007 so I think is lower mileage than his birthdate suggests, and less likely to have a dramatic fall off at age 38. He also has trended back to his recent average over the last couple months after a slow start which given his actual swings could be the small sample outlier here.
Lose Remerswaal said:
You know you said this in a thread about AJ Pierzynski, right?
Not by blood, but he's basically an adopted Molina from what has been reported of his off-season work. Trains with them all regularly, frequently talks with them through the season, etc.. Supposed to be quite close to the lot of 'em.rembrat said:Any chance Vasquez is 2nd cousin to the Flyin' Molinas?
He'd make a great player-coach in AAA next year, help out in ST and then really focus on Swihart's development as a game caller during the 2015 season.soxhop411 said:
Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 45s
Ross said he and Vazquez have already exchanged cell phone numbers and he will do anything he can to help his development.
https://twitter.com/RyanHannable/status/486961210852511744
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 2m
David Ross on Christian Vazquez: "I'm anxious to be part of the catching corps with him." Plans to attach himself to Vazquez going forward.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 2m
Ross: Having a pitching staff with veterans who already often call their own games will ease transition for Vazquez.
soxhop411 said:
Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 1m
Farrell said as a guide to start Ross will catch 3 games per week, Vazquez 4.
rembrat said:
There is no way Ross can carry that workload.
:blink:MentalDisabldLst said:
Did it hurt, or was he loving in a BDSM sort of way?
soxhop411 said:
Ryan Hannable @RyanHannable 1m
Farrell said as a guide to start Ross will catch 3 games per week, Vazquez 4.
rembrat said:
There is no way Ross can carry that workload.
rembrat said:
There is no way Ross can carry that workload.
They needed some time to see if Vazquez could play in MLB this year. The time is up & they thibnk he can. If AJP were playing better this might have been a trade, not a DFAOh bullshit. You know damn well AJP was a one year bridge to Vazquez at a low cost. You also know offering Salty 3 years at a similar per annum cost was something the team didn't want to do because of the young C's in the organization. As mentioned, AJP was dumped painlessly today and only owed 3.6M. The same can not be said if this was Salty behind the Yawkey dish.
Oh, and AJP and Salty are having very similar seasons.
Have a nice day.
this might be a trade and not a DFA
strek1 said:Well as long as some of them don't get traded