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tims4wins

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I mean, Pittsburgh isn't THAT good. It's amazing to me that we're having even a semi-serious conversation about them going 16-0. Their margins of victory in their nine wins:

10
5
7
9
31
3
4
5
26
AVG: +11.1

So in 5 of their 9 wins, the other team was within a score.

When the Pats went 16-0, here were their margins of victory:

24
24
31
21
17
21
21
45
4
46
3
3
21
10
21
3
AVG: +19.7

I mean, in 12 of the 16 games, the Pats won by 10 or more. In 10 of the 16, they won by 20 or more. That was UTTER dominance. The Steelers haven't come close to that. But still, covid and all...yeah it would be incredible if they did it.
Yeah they’re not going undefeated because they simply aren’t that good.
 

johnmd20

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Yeah they’re not going undefeated because they simply aren’t that good.
His argument was to compare the Steelers to the greatest regular season team of all time. Compared to the 2007 Pats, everyone is, at best, not that good.

But the Steelers are great. Are they historically great? No sir. But it's a great team. As is KC.
 

tims4wins

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His argument was to compare the Steelers to the greatest regular season team of all time. Compared to the 2007 Pats, everyone is, at best, not that good.

But the Steelers are great. Are they historically great? No sir. But it's a great team. As is KC.
I get it. I was the one who originally said it would be even more impressive than the 07 Pats given Covid. I stand by that, if they run the table this season it is off the charts impressive.
 

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I get it. I was the one who originally said it would be even more impressive than the 07 Pats given Covid. I stand by that, if they run the table this season it is off the charts impressive.
This is a bad take...they ran back most of there team during COVID and have a very easy schedule...those are attributes that make going 16 and 0 less impressive not more. COVID favors the teams that changed little and they are one of them.
 

tims4wins

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This is a bad take...they ran back most of there team during COVID and have a very easy schedule...those are attributes that make going 16 and 0 less impressive not more. COVID favors the teams that changed little and they are one of them.
But the Ravens and Chiefs didn't? The Ravens killed the Brady Pats last year, they have 3 losses. Chiefs have a loss and could easily have 2-3 more. Again the Steelers will NOT go 16-0 because they are not that good. If they do go 16-0 though I think it is ridiculously impressive.
 

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But the Ravens and Chiefs didn't? The Ravens killed the Brady Pats last year, they have 3 losses. Chiefs have a loss and could easily have 2-3 more. Again the Steelers will NOT go 16-0 because they are not that good. If they do go 16-0 though I think it is ridiculously impressive.
That's football, the 2007 Pats should have lost to a terrible Baltimore team...all I'm saying is COVID makes this easier for Pitt since they are running it back. It is a massive advantage for them, not a detriment.
 

tims4wins

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That's football, the 2007 Pats should have lost to a terrible Baltimore team...all I'm saying is COVID makes this easier for Pitt since they are running it back. It is a massive advantage for them, not a detriment.
They also had a game re-scheduled / bye week accelerated to week 4. Again, they're not going undefeated. But they've been impacted by this.
 

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They also had a game re-scheduled / bye week accelerated to week 4. Again, they're not going undefeated. But they've been impacted by this.
Far less than most teams, you have to look at the impact on the whole league and then ask have they been more or less impacted by limited practice time, etc than other teams.
 

j-man

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Yup, I've seen a lot of downs to go along with the ups. Wherever this team goes from this point forward, I will always be a fan. You have to stick with your team good or bad, thick or thin, am curious to see how many of the Patriots fans who started their fandom in 2001 will stick around if this team goes south.

Ownership here won't allow it, they have a lot to lose financially..........once this shitshow blows over, they don't want their team playing to a nearly empty stadium and have all the restaurants and shops in Patriots place be empty.

They still have the best coach in the business running the show and there are still 7 games left.

The 2001 team was sputtering along similar to how this one is.

That season turned out pretty good last time I checked.
i feel the same way i dont care if denver is 0-16 i still will be there who knows if cam can not turn the ball over over these last 7 games who knows i mean can Pittsburgh win a big game against NE i doubt it my dad is a huge steeler fan and i love to needle him and u guys shouild won @ KC @ BUFF
 

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i feel the same way i dont care if denver is 0-16 i still will be there who knows if cam can not turn the ball over over these last 7 games who knows i mean can Pittsburgh win a big game against NE i doubt it my dad is a huge steeler fan and i love to needle him and u guys shouild won @ KC @ BUFF
That's what a true fan is, there for the good and the bad.

I had season tickets the year the Patriots went 1-15 under Rod Cigar Store Indian/I'm proud of my men Rust............including 0-8 at home.

Football always will be my favorite sport, been so since I was 7 and went to a Patriots game at Fenway Park, will never forget them coming out of the dugout in those Pat Patriot helmets and red shirts..............they lost to the Houston Oilers 14-0, but I've been a fan ever since.

Will be one until the day I kick the stick.

Would love nothing better for Cam to get more comfortable in this offense, they run the ball down peoples throats, catch lightning in a bottle and win another Super Bowl.

Heads would explode in the AFC East and everywhere else for that matter.

It would be glorious.
 

djbayko

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I get it. I was the one who originally said it would be even more impressive than the 07 Pats given Covid. I stand by that, if they run the table this season it is off the charts impressive.
Can you explain your rationale behind this? I'm not seeing why COVID-19 makes it more impressive.
 

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They're not going 16-0 and frankly as a Steelers fan I don't want them to go 16-0. Get that inevitable loss out of the system before the playoffs.
It would be a great story; going 16-0 during this shitshow, winning the Super Bowl to take the lead in all time wins.

As a sports fan, it would be a great thing to see.

As I get older, I'm more into the stories vs rooting against opposing teams.

I hated seeing the Bruins lose to the Blues last year, but it was a great story, going from worst record to winning the cup after all those years of failures, the icing on the cake was how it made that little girl feel, it brought joy into her life during a time of personal crisis.

It doesn't get any better than that.
 

pdaj

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At least 5 I see them winning. The ones I’m not sure on are Rams and Dolphins. But the rest I see them winning.
I was hesitant to drop the Pats out of the Top 6 in my rankings until their loss to the Bills (it was more about how they lost), followed by their unimpressive showing vs. the Jets. If we didn’t know any better, one would suspect that Gase was in on the Tank-for-Trevor plan. I never discount the BB effect, as I believe he’s the greatest coach of all time, but I’m suspect of a Cam-lead offense that’s light on weapons.

The Ravens win was impressive, but not all that surprising when you consider:

1) Bill had the benefit of more Lamar tape.
2) The Ravens have struggled offensively this season.
3) The weather was conducive to New England’s strengths, especially considering Baltimore’s injuries on the defensive front and Lamar’s “eh” arm.

All this said, for me, if NE wins the next 2 games, I’m back in on them being potential AFC players/spoilers and will consider potential “Cam brain fog/rust” theories.

Houston’s a bad team that no true playoff contender would lose to at this point in the NFL season, and the Cardinals are legit, boast a dynamic offense, and are coming off of a loss. At 6-5 with games @LAC, @LAR, @MIA, BUF, NYJ — is 4-1 crazy? Not at all.

I think the 3 consecutive road games portion of the schedule would be the true test.
At least 5 I see them winning. The ones I’m not sure on are Rams and Dolphins. But the rest I see them winning.
If the Steelers go 16-0 in this pandemic season I’d have to say it would be the most impressive regular season of all time. I don’t care what their schedule is.
I think 16-0 is impressive in any season. Pats fans saying, “Who have they played?” is exactly the game non-Pats fans played when NE rattled off win after win in the shitty AFC East. And the retort? Division games, especially on the road, are difficult every season, regardless of talent. And they’re even harder when those teams are legitimately in the playoff hunt, as is the case with Baltimore and Cleveland.

I am on the side, however, of the folks who believe that the teams who have HC-QB-offensive continuity this season benefit from a significant competitive advantage. If I was a Pats fan, I’d be especially disappointed that Bill and Tom couldn’t co-exist for 2 more seasons. I firmly believe that a Brady lead NE team this year would have had the Patriots in a similar situation to the Steelers. One loss, max.
 

j-man

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That's what a true fan is, there for the good and the bad.

I had season tickets the year the Patriots went 1-15 under Rod Cigar Store Indian/I'm proud of my men Rust............including 0-8 at home.

Football always will be my favorite sport, been so since I was 7 and went to a Patriots game at Fenway Park, will never forget them coming out of the dugout in those Pat Patriot helmets and red shirts..............they lost to the Houston Oilers 14-0, but I've been a fan ever since.

Will be one until the day I kick the stick.

Would love nothing better for Cam to get more comfortable in this offense, they run the ball down peoples throats, catch lightning in a bottle and win another Super Bowl.

Heads would explode in the AFC East and everywhere else for that matter.

It would be glorious.
that sounds great
 

j-man

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Tier 1
1 KC
2 PITT
3 Buff
4 LV

Tier 2
5 indy
6 tenn
7 cle

tier 3
8 balt
9 den
10 ne
11 mia

tier 4
12 lac
13 hou
14 ciny

tier 5
15 jax
16 jets
notes
vegas is makeing a deep change up the board
so is indy
denver is really 11th but beating Mia and ne moves them up
LAC is a good coach away from being back to their 2007-10 level shouild be 5-5 or 6-4