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1) BAL (LW: 2) - most consistent team so far
2) KC (LW: 1) - still the champs

3) PIT (LW: 5) - better than expected so far
4) BUF (LW: 3) - Allen seems to have improved
5) TEN (LW: 4) - wins are wins
6) NE (LW: 6) - offense looked good, but defense was torched. Good matchup coming next weekend
7) LVR (LW: 10) - Carr very much in control so far

8) HOU (LW: 7) - toughest schedule so far, but it's a talented team
9) LAC (LW: 9) - it's tough to trust this team in close games. 1-1 feels right so far
10) IND (LW: 11) - Rivers is over the hill but there's decent supporting talent

11) DEN (LW: 8) - bad injury luck so far. They're only going to win 4-5 games but they're better than that
12) CLE (LW: 14) - more talent than the teams below them, but consistency is an issue
13) MIA (LW: 12) - competitive, but still a talent gap
14) JAX (LW: 13) - ditto
15) NYJ (LW: 15) - both a talent and coaching gap
16) CIN (LW: 16) - ditto
1) KC (LW: 2) - head and shoulders above the rest

2) BAL (LW: 1) - Jackson is now 0-3 vs. KC

3) PIT (LW: 3) - good on both sides of the ball
4) BUF (LW: 4) - got lucky on the PI call, but did build a 25 point lead against a decent team
5) TEN (LW: 5) - 3-0 despite being +6 in point differential. But they continue to win
6) NE (LW: 6) - defense has been underwhelming so far

7) IND (LW: 10) - best point differential in the AFC so far, believe it or not
8) LVR (LW: 7) - tough breaks with the turnovers and injuries, but this is a very good offense and competitive team
9) HOU (LW: 8) - another tough loss. Brutal schedule but this team isn't nearly as bad as their record
10) CLE (LW: 12) - above .500 for the first time in forever. Counts for something

11) LAC (LW: 9) - really bad home loss to Carolina
12) MIA (LW: 13) - handled business vs. Jax
13) DEN (LW: 11) - tough breaks so far
14) JAX (LW: 14) - I don't believe in Minschew
15) CIN (LW: 16) - at least they didn't lose?
16) NYJ (LW: 15) - Gase gets canned after they lose on TNF
 

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  1. KC
  2. Bal
  3. Pit
  4. Buf
  5. NE
  6. Ten
  7. Ind
  8. Cle
  9. LV
  10. Hou
  11. Den
  12. Mia
  13. LAC
  14. NYJ
  15. Jax
  16. Cin
 
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Much more willing to say, as of now, Buffalo is better than New England than I was last week. They did get bailed out by the final call, and shouldn't have even needed a game-ending drive to win it, but for most of the game they put the hurt on a good team and Allen in particular looks like something much better than a flash-in-the-pan. True contenders in the NFL manage to find ways to win even when they aren't on their A games.

On the other end of the spectrum not sure how one could put any other team than the Jets in last - they just look awful in every facet. But it's the Jets so they will somehow screw up tanking or otherwise totally mismanage that situation.

Broadly speaking the bottom of the AFC is putrid and the middle of the AFC ranges from pretty bad to just barely mediocre, so in this year of expanded playoffs it would be a pretty big disappointment to me if the Pats don't at least make the postseason even with their personnel issues and their very hard schedule.
 

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Jacksonville got thoroughly dominated by Miami at home. Those bottom three teams are all crap.
 

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The teams with a legit chance to win the AFC:

1. KC - Defending champs with the best player.
2. Bal - Probably the best all-around team...good in every area.
3. NE - If Cam is healthy and the defense does it's job, NE could beat anyone.
4. Buf - Defense needs to play better, and Allen needs to avoid mistakes, but they could do it.
5. Ten - Came close last year and if Tannehill plays well, they've got a shot.
6. Pit - Excellent defense and Roethlisberger, while not what he was, does have two SB titles, so he knows how to get it done.

That's it. Everyone else is a pretender, IMO.
I agree with you on the 6. I would likely shuffle the bottom 4 around simply because I put a larger value on QB experience in the playoffs. So I would rank them:
  1. KC
  2. Bal
  3. Pitt
  4. NE
  5. Ten
  6. Buf
I might almost be tempted to put Pitt over Bal. Those two matchups as well as the two NE/Buf matchups will be key in determining seedings.
 

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1. KC - far and away the best team in the AFC; and based on last night, it is not close
2. Ravens - though I should state that where I had them as the clear 1 or 2 last week, I debated putting several teams in front of them.
3. Patriots - If I had to bet on one team that did not have Mahomes, it would be the team that has BB. I said before the season, the only games that were "sure" losses were KC, Bal, Sea and SF. You can take SF out of that equation now, IMO. They had the chance to beat SEA on the road. I think the Pats are once again legit contenders. Their D has not been great yet, but they have given up 66 in three games. 35 was from Wilson, so averaging 15.5 the other 2 games.
4. Bills - IF Allen continues to not throw games away, Bills are a tough beat. Defense has not been great, considering 2/3 were against Miami and the Jets.
5. Pitt - could make a case for Pitt to be anywhere between 2 and 5. Two of their wins though are against bad, bad teams.
6. Colts - I think they are better than TEN
7. Titans - Could have them anywhere from 4 - 7
8. Raiders - Defense looks terrible, but they have offensive firepower
9. Browns - Looking better
10. Chargers - Losing Tyrod probably helps
11. Texans - Ridiculous start to their schedule
12. Miami - Defense has not been bad
13. Bengals - Could have 2 wins. Have 0. Burrow looks pretty great though.
14. Broncos - They need an actual QB
15. Jaguars - thankfully for them, the Jets will always be last
16. Jets - horrid, horrid team
 

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1. Kansas City
2. Baltimore
3. Pittsburgh
4. Buffalo
5. New England
6. Tennessee

Gap

7. Indy
8. Las Vegas
9. Cleveland
10. LAC
11. Houston

Gap
12. Miami
13. Cincy
14. Denver
15. Jacksonville
16. New York Jets
 

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I feel like you ranked the Jets too high on the list.
What a complete and utter mess this organization is and continues to be.

They had a couple of flashes in the 1980's, one in the late 1990's after they hired Parcells away from the Patriots and two back to back in 2010 and 2011 and that's been it for the past 50 years.

FIFTY years of futility, buffoonery and clownfuckery.

It's incredible for a team to be that bad for that long, only the Lions are worse in the entire league over that 50 year span, the Jets have been to four AFCCG's while the Lions got to the NFCCG once over that span, you could maybe throw the Cardinals in there too.
 

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What a complete and utter mess this organization is and continues to be.

They had a couple of flashes in the 1980's, one in the late 1990's after they hired Parcells away from the Patriots and two back to back in 2010 and 2011 and that's been it for the past 50 years.

FIFTY years of futility, buffoonery and clownfuckery.

It's incredible for a team to be that bad for that long, only the Lions are worse in the entire league over that 50 year span, the Jets have been to four AFCCG's while the Lions got to the NFCCG once over that span, you could maybe throw the Cardinals in there too.
I love that their only claim to fame this century is back to back AFC Championship games... and then the Pats proceeded to go to eight straight.
 

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1. Kansas City
2. Baltimore
3. Pittsburgh
4. Buffalo
5. New England
6. Tennessee

Gap

7. Indy
8. Las Vegas
9. Cleveland
10. LAC
11. Houston

Gap
12. Miami
13. Cincy
14. Denver
15. Jacksonville
16. New York Jets
For accuracy purposes, you really should add about 48 "gaps" between Team 15 and Team 16.
 

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I think Houston is being rated too low. They are still an open question. Lost to the 2 best and then played a 1 score game against Pitt. I'm trying to think who wouldn't be 0-3 against this schedule. It's not a long list.
 

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I think Houston is being rated too low. They are still an open question. Lost to the 2 best and then played a 1 score game against Pitt. I'm trying to think who wouldn't be 0-3 against this schedule. It's not a long list.
I agree they are a hard team to judge. They were 0-3 in 2017 and still won the division.

Remaining schedule:
vs MIN
vs JAX
@ TEN
vs GB
BYE
@ JAX
@ CLE
vs NE
@ DET
vs IND
@ CHI
@ IND
vs CIN
vs TEN

There's a path to 9 wins, but it's not going to be easy.
 

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1. Kansas City
2. Pittsburgh
3. Buffalo
4. New England
5. Baltimore
6. Tennessee







7. Indy
8. Las Vegas
9. Los Angeles née San Diego
10. Houston
11. Cleveland
12. Miami [ed. good catch t4w]
13. Jacksonville


14. Cincinnati
15. Denver


















16. J-E-T-S
 
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You are aware Miami trounced Jacksonville, correct?

Edit: also why is Tennessee not née Houston, Vegas née Oak, Indy née Baltimore, Baltimore née Cleveland...
 
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Edit: also why is Tennessee not née Houston, Vegas née Oak, Indy née Baltimore, Baltimore née Cleveland...
Because not 2 current NFL teams in Nashville, not 2 in Las Vegas, not 2 in Baltimore etc.

Good Florida catch
 

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Baltimore looked really beatable last night. Kansas City's defense really kept Jackson contained for most of the game, and Baltimore's two touchdowns came on a kick return and off of a turnover on downs that gave them the ball at midfield. My concern for them is that teams will adjust more and more to the Jackson read-option game and if he doesn't improve enough as a passer, that offense is going to be much worse than it was last season.

On defense they were annihilated by big plays. Obviously, KC is the class of the league and they are capable of making even good defenses look bad, but I thought there were discipline issues that caused them to get beat over the top for numerous big plays, which is the exact opposite of how you want to defend KC.

They steamrolled Cleveland and Houston, but they looked several leagues below Kansas City last night.
 

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I love that their only claim to fame this century is back to back AFC Championship games... and then the Pats proceeded to go to eight straight.
One of which was gifted to them when the undefeated Colts who were leading in the game decided to sit Manning and a bunch of starters in the second half and handed the Jets a win, a win they needed to get into the playoffs.

I still don't understand why the Colts decided to give up the undefeated season, they lost the Super Bowl regardless to the Saints.
 

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1. Kansas City
2. Pittsburgh
3. Buffalo
4. New England
5. Baltimore
6. Tennessee







7. Indy
8. Las Vegas
9. Los Angeles née San Diego
10. Houston
11. Cleveland
12. Miami [ed. good catch t4w]
13. Jacksonville


14. Cincinnati
15. Denver


















16. J-E-T-S
Why are you using the feminine form for the Chargers?
 

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1) KC (LW: 2) - head and shoulders above the rest

2) BAL (LW: 1) - Jackson is now 0-3 vs. KC

3) PIT (LW: 3) - good on both sides of the ball
4) BUF (LW: 4) - got lucky on the PI call, but did build a 25 point lead against a decent team
5) TEN (LW: 5) - 3-0 despite being +6 in point differential. But they continue to win
6) NE (LW: 6) - defense has been underwhelming so far

7) IND (LW: 10) - best point differential in the AFC so far, believe it or not
8) LVR (LW: 7) - tough breaks with the turnovers and injuries, but this is a very good offense and competitive team
9) HOU (LW: 8) - another tough loss. Brutal schedule but this team isn't nearly as bad as their record
10) CLE (LW: 12) - above .500 for the first time in forever. Counts for something

11) LAC (LW: 9) - really bad home loss to Carolina
12) MIA (LW: 13) - handled business vs. Jax
13) DEN (LW: 11) - tough breaks so far
14) JAX (LW: 14) - I don't believe in Minschew
15) CIN (LW: 16) - at least they didn't lose?
16) NYJ (LW: 15) - Gase gets canned after they lose on TNF
1) KC (LW: 1) - still the class of the conference, even though they've looked "meh" in two games

2) BAL (LW: 2) - nice bounce back, still concerns about Jackson in big games / vs. KC

3) PIT (LW: 3) - can't penalize them for not playing
4) BUF (LW: 4) - took care of business, fairly similar game to when the Pats played the Raiders actually
5) TEN (LW: 5) - ditto Pittsburgh comment
6) NE (LW: 6) - gutsy effort with zero practices after the Cam news, flying in day of game, etc.

7) IND (LW: 7) - D is much better than I thought
8) CLE (LW: 10) - incredible ground game
9) LVR (LW: 8) - offense moves the ball but shoots itself in the foot way too much, and the D is just not god

10) MIA (LW: 12) - they have showed well against two legit contenders and a third playoff team
11) LAC (LW: 11) - Herbert has played decently, unfortunately I think Lynn is not long for a HC job
12) HOU (LW: 9) - still not as bad as their record
13) DEN (LW: 13) - finally got a W
14) CIN (LW: 15) - Burrow is exciting

15) JAX (LW: 14) - week 1 looking more and more like a fluke

16) NYJ (LW: 16) - LOL
 

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1 KC
2 BUFF
3 BALT
4 PITT
5 CLE
6 TENN
7 NE
8 INDY
9 LV
10 CINY
11 LAC
12 DEN
13 MIA
14 HOU
15 JAX
16 JETS
 

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1. KC
2. Bal
3. Buf
4. Pit
5. Ten
6. NE
7. Ind
8. Cle
9. LV
10. Den
11. Mia
12. Hou
13. LAC
14. Cin
15. NYJ
16. Jax
 

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LOL its 28-10 they must play KC next week credit to tenn for playing this well

u couild make a case for new england in the top 4 and vegas shouild be higher but i wanted to let the north seattle down
 

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1. KC
2. PITT
3. TENN


4. BAL







5. BUFF





6. NE









7. CLE
8. IND
9. LV




10. MIA



11. LAC





12. HOU
13. CIN
14. JAX





15. DEN





16. J-E-T-S
 

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How is KC that far ahead of NE? They have looked meh in the majority of there games and maybe don't beat NE with Cam.
Because it's football and week to week teams play above or below their heads, a lot doing with matchups and gameplans. They are far better than NE, they had a bad night, we had a good one and we had the better plan of attack despite the COVID crap. The best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl.
 

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1) KC (LW: 1) - still the class of the conference, even though they've looked "meh" in two games

2) BAL (LW: 2) - nice bounce back, still concerns about Jackson in big games / vs. KC

3) PIT (LW: 3) - can't penalize them for not playing
4) BUF (LW: 4) - took care of business, fairly similar game to when the Pats played the Raiders actually
5) TEN (LW: 5) - ditto Pittsburgh comment
6) NE (LW: 6) - gutsy effort with zero practices after the Cam news, flying in day of game, etc.

7) IND (LW: 7) - D is much better than I thought
8) CLE (LW: 10) - incredible ground game
9) LVR (LW: 8) - offense moves the ball but shoots itself in the foot way too much, and the D is just not god

10) MIA (LW: 12) - they have showed well against two legit contenders and a third playoff team
11) LAC (LW: 11) - Herbert has played decently, unfortunately I think Lynn is not long for a HC job
12) HOU (LW: 9) - still not as bad as their record
13) DEN (LW: 13) - finally got a W
14) CIN (LW: 15) - Burrow is exciting

15) JAX (LW: 14) - week 1 looking more and more like a fluke

16) NYJ (LW: 16) - LOL
I really want to demote KC, not because they lost, but because they've looked pretty ordinary in a bunch of their games. But I can't elevate Baltimore because they can't beat KC; I'm not ready to elevate Tennessee either because their first 3 wins were by a combined 6 points.

1) KC (LW: 1) - they have now looked "meh" in 3 of their 5 games; but they own Baltimore, and still have the best player in the conference
2) BAL (LW: 2) - they take care of business against inferior opponents. Ruthless.
3) TEN (LW: 5) - finally a dominant performance after squeaking by in their first three games
4) PIT (LW: 3) - continue to play very solid
5) BUF (LW: 4) - I can't ding them too much for one lousy game
6) NE (LW: 6) - need Cam & Gilmore back
7) CLE (LW: 8) - defense played really well against Indy
8) LVR (LW: 9) - took advantage of KC's defensive issues, and D played well enough to win
9) IND (LW: 7) - lousy performance against Cleveland
10) MIA (LW: 10) - this is a team that will compete every week
11) HOU (LW: 12) - still better than their record
12) LAC (LW: 11) - this team just can't close out games
13) DEN (LW: 13) - I have nothing to say about them
14) CIN (LW: 14) - looked awful vs. the Ravens but what rookie QBs don't
15) JAX (LW: 15) - weren't really competitive vs. Houston
16) NYJ (LW: 16) - running out of things to say
 

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Seems like Pitt is getting a lot of love. But they have beaten the Giants, Eagles, Houston, and Broncos. Those teams have a combined 3 wins after 5 weeks. And it's not like they ran away in any of those games.

Not sure about that team yet.
 

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Seems like Pitt is getting a lot of love. But they have beaten the Giants, Eagles, Houston, and Broncos. Those teams have a combined 3 wins after 5 weeks. And it's not like they ran away in any of those games.

Not sure about that team yet.
It's true. But on the flip side, the Titans first 3 wins were by 6 total points; Buffalo could have easily lost to the Rams if they didn't get the PI call; etc. I think you can group the Steelers, Titans, Bills, and maybe Pats into a group of teams that I think would not be favored against KC or Baltimore, but against each other on a neutral field it would be hard to pick a favorite.
 

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It's true. But on the flip side, the Titans first 3 wins were by 6 total points; Buffalo could have easily lost to the Rams if they didn't get the PI call; etc. I think you can group the Steelers, Titans, Bills, and maybe Pats into a group of teams that I think would not be favored against KC or Baltimore, but against each other on a neutral field it would be hard to pick a favorite.
I think this is right.
KC and Bal are top 2 teams. KC is top because they are Bal’s kryptonite.

BUF/NE/PIT/TEN make up next tier. I listed them by alphabet. Hard to separate them too much.

after them are what I call the Wannabes. Wannabe a contender, but realistically won’t be.
 

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I think this is right.
KC and Bal are top 2 teams. KC is top because they are Bal’s kryptonite.

BUF/NE/PIT/TEN make up next tier. I listed them by alphabet. Hard to separate them too much.

after them are what I call the Wannabes. Wannabe a contender, but realistically won’t be.
Yeah, I also think KC has a second gear that nobody else has. Maybe BAL too if Lamar starts playing better. I think anyone in the second tier has the capability of beating KC/BAL on the right day, as we saw last year with TEN, but each of those teams has a lower ceiling. If anyone makes the leap from 2 to 1, I think it’ll be PIT.

Cleveland might work their way into Tier 2 but there is high potential of volatility there. I just don’t trust Baker.
 

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I think PITT and TENN are a clear 3/4 or 4/3 and until the Patriots regain some stability post-virus, BUFF is 5
 

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I think PITT and TENN are a clear 3/4 or 4/3 and until the Patriots regain some stability post-virus, BUFF is 5
Cleveland plays at Pitt this week. If they can win the game, the rankings will see a considerable adjustment.
 

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6. INDY
7. LV

8. MIA
9. CLE
10. NE









11. CIN
12. DEN
13. LAC
14. HOU
15. JAX








16. JETS
 

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The last two posts are really feeling Miami putting them over NE. I enjoy a good underdog story as much as the next guy but maybe we should pump the brakes on a team that beat the Jets, Jags, and 49ers second string.

I'm good with j-man enjoying his high by putting Denver above NE as well...
 

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The last two posts are really feeling Miami putting them over NE. I enjoy a good underdog story as much as the next guy but maybe we should pump the brakes on a team that beat the Jets, Jags, and 49ers second string.

I'm good with j-man enjoying his high by putting Denver above NE as well...
I'm not good with it. Denver is terrible. They should not be ahead of Miami, let alone NE, despite this weekend.

Although a case can be made for Miami ahead of NE. NE's offense could just be horrendous. Maybe it was the lack of practice, but look at Tennessee. The thing about the Pats is that you do expect them to get better as the season progresses. But their offense sucks. They don't have any tight ends. Edelman is washed. The running backs, excluding White's pass catching, are just average.

Harry, relative to so many studs who have been drafted over the past two years, absolutely sucks. I will not hear any more commentary about Harry needing time. Justin Jefferson. Chase Claypool. Do they need time?
 

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1. Kansas City
2. Baltimore
3. Tennessee
4. Pittsburgh
5. Buffalo
6. New England
7. Las Vegas
8. Indy
9. Cleveland
10. Miami
11. Denver
12. LAC
13. Houston
14. Cincy
15.Jacksonville
16. Jets

This weekend should settle the 3/4 debate with Pittsburgh and Tennessee playing. I've got a big drop off after #4. I think 5-9 is another group lumped together and you could put those teams in any real order and be right. I'll give the Pats a mulligan for last week but their position is fairly tenuous. Not quite sold on Cleveland, their 4 wins are Washington, Cincy, Dallas and Indy and weren't competitive in their 2 games against sure fire playoff teams.
 

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I really want to demote KC, not because they lost, but because they've looked pretty ordinary in a bunch of their games. But I can't elevate Baltimore because they can't beat KC; I'm not ready to elevate Tennessee either because their first 3 wins were by a combined 6 points.

1) KC (LW: 1) - they have now looked "meh" in 3 of their 5 games; but they own Baltimore, and still have the best player in the conference
2) BAL (LW: 2) - they take care of business against inferior opponents. Ruthless.
3) TEN (LW: 5) - finally a dominant performance after squeaking by in their first three games
4) PIT (LW: 3) - continue to play very solid
5) BUF (LW: 4) - I can't ding them too much for one lousy game
6) NE (LW: 6) - need Cam & Gilmore back
7) CLE (LW: 8) - defense played really well against Indy
8) LVR (LW: 9) - took advantage of KC's defensive issues, and D played well enough to win
9) IND (LW: 7) - lousy performance against Cleveland
10) MIA (LW: 10) - this is a team that will compete every week
11) HOU (LW: 12) - still better than their record
12) LAC (LW: 11) - this team just can't close out games
13) DEN (LW: 13) - I have nothing to say about them
14) CIN (LW: 14) - looked awful vs. the Ravens but what rookie QBs don't
15) JAX (LW: 15) - weren't really competitive vs. Houston
16) NYJ (LW: 16) - running out of things to say
Toughest week yet to run the rankings

1) KC (LW: 1) - they continue to win, even if not clicking on all cylinders. D is playing well
2) PIT (LW: 4) - that was an impressive ass kicking
3) BAL (LW: 2) - I still think they are front running bullies
4) TEN (LW: 3) - I don't get how they are still undefeated. 3 wins by a total of 6 points + an OT win on top of that
5) BUF (LW: 5) - losing games we figured them to lose
6) NE (LW: 6) - this is where it gets tricky. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially since the Browns got their ass kicked
7) CLE (LW: 7) - you gotta show up better in divisional games
8) LVR (LW: 8) - I can't penalize them for the bye. Could be a fun game vs. Tompa this week
9) IND (LW: 9) - I think NE, CLE, LVR are all better
10) MIA (LW: 10) - very impressive how they are building, but I think the 4 teams in front of them are still better
11) DEN (LW: 13) - they're not good, but everyone below them is worse
12) LAC (LW: 12) - I have no comment
13) HOU (LW: 11) - hideous performance with a chance to build momentum
14) CIN (LW: 14) - still bad
15) JAX (LW: 15) - still worse
16) NYJ (LW: 16) - still worst
 

54thMA

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I'm not good with it. Denver is terrible. They should not be ahead of Miami, let alone NE, despite this weekend.

Although a case can be made for Miami ahead of NE. NE's offense could just be horrendous. Maybe it was the lack of practice, but look at Tennessee. The thing about the Pats is that you do expect them to get better as the season progresses. But their offense sucks. They don't have any tight ends. Edelman is washed. The running backs, excluding White's pass catching, are just average.

Harry, relative to so many studs who have been drafted over the past two years, absolutely sucks. I will not hear any more commentary about Harry needing time. Justin Jefferson. Chase Claypool. Do they need time?
I can't argue with any of this, it's all on point.

And yes, Denver does suck, six field goals, zero TD's, 3 turnovers, one of which killed a drive that probably at least would have resulted in a FG, another was a lucky deflection that was picked off by a lineman if I am not mistaken doing his best Lynn Swann impression, they were gifted 6 points, their QB practically handed the Patriots a win with his shitshow of a 4th quarter.

The Patriots offense is just that, offensive. ZERO skill set in the tight end group, the WR's are horrible, what does Belichick expect Cam to do with that hot garbage assortment of talent.

I have to think/hope Edelman is dealing with some sort of upper body injury as he looked very good in the Seattle game but has tailed off since then, he made a great diving catch on a long throw from Cam in that game and he landed funny, I am thinking that's when he hurt himself.

And I've given up on Harry, he's nothing more than a JAG. what a wasted first round pick, not sure what they saw in him, but he's awful.

The Patriots have become that team who used to come in here in the divisional round week and get pummeled as the Patriots marched towards another AFCCG/Super Bowl appearance...........and I'm kidding myself at this point thinking they are even one of those teams.
 

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I can't argue with any of this, it's all on point.

And yes, Denver does suck, six field goals, zero TD's, 3 turnovers, one of which killed a drive that probably at least would have resulted in a FG, another was a lucky deflection that was picked off by a lineman if I am not mistaken doing his best Lynn Swann impression, they were gifted 6 points, their QB practically handed the Patriots a win with his shitshow of a 4th quarter.

The Patriots offense is just that, offensive. ZERO skill set in the tight end group, the WR's are horrible, what does Belichick expect Cam to do with that hot garbage assortment of talent.

I have to think/hope Edelman is dealing with some sort of upper body injury as he looked very good in the Seattle game but has tailed off since then, he made a great diving catch on a long throw from Cam in that game and he landed funny, I am thinking that's when he hurt himself.

And I've given up on Harry, he's nothing more than a JAG. what a wasted first round pick, not sure what they saw in him, but he's awful.

The Patriots have become that team who used to come in here in the divisional round week and get pummeled as the Patriots marched towards another AFCCG/Super Bowl appearance...........and I'm kidding myself at this point thinking they are even one of those teams.
The two highest picks that BB has used on a WR are Chad Jackson (36) and N'Keal Harry (32)

They have combined to play 30 games, catch 44 passes for 442 yards and 6 touchdowns.

YIKES