Aaron Rodgers and the Two-Minute Drill

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Trailing the Dolphins by four points with just over 2:00 remaining in the contest, the Green Bay Packers took over on their own 40-yard line with no time outs remaining. 60 yards later, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense were celebrating a short touchdown pass with mere seconds lingering on the clock. Was the drive a flawless offensive display, a string of defensive breakdowns by Miami, or perhaps a bit of both? We reviewed the film from the final drive to determine just how the Packers and Rodgers pulled out the victory.
 
Article here: Fake Spike For What?
 
Non-football action stills courtesy of the awesome rodgersphotobombs.com
 
 

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Wait, the Packers had a 99.9% chance of winning with just 6 seconds to go? That can't be right.
 

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Mystic Merlin said:
I think he means the win expectancy shot up to 99.9% after - not before - the TD.
The numbers are taken from the PFR box score, linked in the article. Home team win expectancy was 0.1 before the TD, 0.2 after.
 

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That may be actually when the win expectancy dropped, but that's not how it's written, especially since the concluding paragraph says the fake spike moved the needle most in terms of win probability.

One other nit, Mark, from a reformed journalist graduate: you seem to use the royal (or editorial) we pretty frequently. I know some of your pieces may have been joint efforts, in which case your co-author or co-analyst has or should have received credit. If the work is yours alone, you should not fall into the "we" trap. Jaworski might introduce tape segments that way, but he probably does have other people doing the work for him, but more importantly, it's not good journalism. As Twain supposedly said, "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms ought to have the right to use the editorial we.”
 

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Mark Schofield said:
The numbers are taken from the PFR box score, linked in the article. Home team win expectancy was 0.1 before the TD, 0.2 after.
Well, that is obviously wrong.
 

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It makes a bit of sense. With the TD scored and a few seconds left Miami could have returned the kickoff or scored on the crazy lateral play they tried. Had the Packers used more time on the TD play the Miami win expectancy might not have changed. Again, these are the PFR numbers which I know some have taken issue with in the past.
 

WayBackVazquez

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The question is not about Miami's WP after the TD. It's the idea that Green Bay would be expected to score the TD (and not give up a kickoff return TD) 999 times out of 1000.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
That may be actually when the win expectancy dropped, but that's not how it's written, especially since the concluding paragraph says the fake spike moved the needle most in terms of win probability.

One other nit, Mark, from a reformed journalist graduate: you seem to use the royal (or editorial) we pretty frequently. I know some of your pieces may have been joint efforts, in which case your co-author or co-analyst has or should have received credit. If the work is yours alone, you should not fall into the "we" trap. Jaworski might introduce tape segments that way, but he probably does have other people doing the work for him, but more importantly, it's not good journalism. As Twain supposedly said, "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms ought to have the right to use the editorial we.”
 
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