Aaron Hernandez: Had Advanced CTE - NEP Sued

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A friend showed me a tweet today that said something to the effect of:

INJURY UPDATE: Aaron Hernandez (neck) OUT indefinitely
No offense to your friend, but I'm guessing not a Pats fan?

Because every Pats fan knows that any injury results in a QUESTIONABLE, not OUT.
 

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I was thinking the same. I'd bet they mean hand and not head.
That detail was clarified today. It was written on his forehead. Which is a detail that makes it hard to believe that he didn't have some help, even if the "helper" had no idea that Hernandez was going to kill himself. (It's incredibly hard to legibly write on your own forehead.)

There's also the fact that every individual cell at Souza-Baranowski has video surveilence to guard against this precise event. That doesn't mean that the prison didn't screw up and turn his camera off or that some other malfunction occurred, but still ...

I'm not questioning whether this was a suicide. (And honestly, I don't much care.). But the events as reported raise some questions.
 

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Looked a bit deeper. Apparently Lloyd's family had already advanced their wrongful death suit to the point where the court ordered that liability was established by the criminal conviction, but damages were not yet found. So this complicates things further.
 

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That detail was clarified today. It was written on his forehead. Which is a detail that makes it hard to believe that he didn't have some help, even if the "helper" had no idea that Hernandez was going to kill himself. (It's incredibly hard to legibly write on your own forehead.)
This is some bad conspiricay theorizing. Have you ever watched your wife put her makeup on in a mirror? You really think because this guy had 8 characters written on his forehead, it proves somebody else was in there?
 

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This is some bad conspiricay theorizing. Have you ever watched your wife put her makeup on in a mirror? You really think because this guy had 8 characters written on his forehead, it proves somebody else was in there?
He didn't say it proves anything.
 

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There's also the fact that every individual cell at Souza-Baranowski has video surveilence to guard against this precise event. That doesn't mean that the prison didn't screw up and turn his camera off or that some other malfunction occurred, but still ...
News says that the CO skipped his 2am check in on AH. Found just after 3am dead. From WEEI:

According to Boston-based investigative reporter Michele McPhee, the correctional officer assigned to Hernandez’s cell block has been detached with pay. She tweeted earlier the officer failed to conduct the 2 a.m. check, but the tweet has since been deleted.
 

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This is some bad conspiricay theorizing. Have you ever watched your wife put her makeup on in a mirror? You really think because this guy had 8 characters written on his forehead, it proves somebody else was in there?
I didn't say that there was any conspiracy. In fact, I tried to be careful in how I phrased it to make it clear that I don't see anything that means he didn't kill himself. But if the reports are true, then no, I don't believe that he was able to write out "John 3:16" legibly across his forehead by himself. Frankly, if he had used a mirror to do it, he most likely would have ended up with an illegible mirror-image on his forehead, like that moron who tried to fake an attack by Obama supporters some years ago.

Its absolutely possible that he was adept enough to do it himself. But it's certainly odd. And it would not surprise me to learn that he had another inmate do it. (Which doesn't mean that the inmate was involved in anything else. Which I also pointed out.)

There is a significant difference between promoting conspiracy theories and observing that there are inconsistencies or improbabilities in the story that is emerging.
 
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I didn't say that there was any conspiracy. In fact, I tried to be careful in how I phrased it to make it clear that I don't see anything that means he didn't kill himself. But if the reports are true, then no, I don't believe that he was able to write out "John 3;16" legibly across his forehead by himself. Frankly, if he had used a mirror to do it, he most likely would have ended up with an illegible mirror-image on his forehead, like that moron who tried to fake an attack by Obama supporters some years ago.

Its absolutely possible that he was adept enough to do it himself. But it's certainly odd. And it would not surprise me to learn that he had another inmate do it. (Which doesn't mean that the inmate was involved in anything else. Which I also pointed out.)

There is a significant difference between promoting conspiracy theories and observing that there are inconsistencies or improbabilities in the story that is emerging.
This is a very subtle UF dig. I appreciate the good work.
 

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Isn't that the stuff Chandler Jones smoked before his barefoot sojourn to the Foxboro police station a couple years ago?

If Hernandez smoked that last night, it makes the theory that he killed himself as part of a pre-meditated plan to benefit his estate a hell of a lot harder to swallow.
Why's that? He might have basically decided on doing it, and smoked up for one last high, or to build up the courage to do it. Or he might have been struggling with the question and the depression/resignation got to him after he smoked.
I mean, it would be kinda like saying "well, the fact that he got drunk last night makes the pre-meditated suicide theory unlikely". Is that a thing?


Just as soon as they can get their hands on it

Aaron Hernandez's attorney says the state medical examiner's office is illegally withholding his client's brain

[conspiracy]must be spackling the bullet hole[/conspiracy]
Or wanting to make a CTE claim.
 

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Ruled a suicide. Also found notes to his daughter and fiancee




Chris Villani‏ @ChrisVillani44

Worcester DA: cause of #AaronHernandez death was suicide, asphyxia by hanging, 3 handwritten notes found in cell along with a Bible

Chris Villani‏ @ChrisVillani44

The notes found in #AaronHernandez cell were letters to his daughter & fiancee, saying he loved them & would see them in heaven, per source
 

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Never mix guilt and K2.

Mental health problems are commonly reported by spice users. Testimonials from both regular users and those who used it only one time – commonly mention hallucinations, suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions, intense fear and paranoia. There are several cases where synthetic weed has been implicated in deaths from suicide or accidental means.
https://spiceaddictionsupport.org/side-effects-of-spice-use/

Shit is bad. Really bad. It's the opposite of weed.
 

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I've only had one criminal client die pre-trial. The prosecutor kept threatening to try the case because corrections couldn't produce a death certificate to her liking. To this day I have no idea what she was on about, but it may have been a slightly irrational response to pressure from the victim. But, I mean, what are you going to do, wheel the corpse out there and have a trial?
Not quite the same...but didn't Scalia once say something like he wouldn't grant a habeas petition based on due process even if the murder victim walked into the Supreme Court during the oral argument.
 

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Not quite the same...but didn't Scalia once say something like he wouldn't grant a habeas petition based on due process even if the murder victim walked into the Supreme Court during the oral argument.
If so, they're more like opposites. Scalia is saying that process controls over what happens in the real world, even if it's manifestly unjust. OTOH, I think my anecdote is that the real world clearly can show you the absurd stances one can take based on (to be fair, a misunderstanding) of process.

Looked a bit deeper. Apparently Lloyd's family had already advanced their wrongful death suit to the point where the court ordered that liability was established by the criminal conviction, but damages were not yet found. So this complicates things further.
Does MA allow for an injunction freezing pre-judgment assets? Or some kind of potential judgment sequestration process in probate?

I have to think that even though the conviction was vacated, the likelihood of success on the merits is very strong.
 

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If so, they're more like opposites. Scalia is saying that process controls over what happens in the real world, even if it's manifestly unjust. OTOH, I think my anecdote is that the real world clearly can show you the absurd stances one can take based on (to be fair, a misunderstanding) of process.

Does MA allow for an injunction freezing pre-judgment assets? Or some kind of potential judgment sequestration process in probate?
You can get a positive preliminary injunction requiring escrow or prohibiting the dissipation of assets, but that's the usual PI analysis. For the uninitiated, that's a substantial likelihood of success on the merits, a showing that the moving party will suffer irreparable harm in the absence of the injunction, and a balance of the equities.

I have to think that even though the conviction was vacated, the likelihood of success on the merits is very strong.
Agreed. But if someone were asleep at the switch . . .
 

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Ruled a suicide. Also found notes to his daughter and fiancee

Chris Villani‏ @ChrisVillani44

The notes found in #AaronHernandez cell were letters to his daughter & fiancee, saying he loved them & would see them in heaven, per source
Someone's a little confused about this whole 'religion' thing.
 

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The thought is if you commit murder you can repent for that sin while you obviously can't do that if you commit suicide.
 

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As long as you accept Jesus after the fact, it's okay not a barrier to heaven, amirite @Marciano490?

What if you were a catholic before committing a murder? Can you get out of hell free by accepting Jesus again?

(This thread's about to get fun.)
"accepting Jesus" isn't really a term associated with Catholicism. We undergo the sacrament of reconciliation. As long as you meet with a priest, confess your sins, and express genuine contrition, you are absolved of those sins in the eyes of the church. At least I think that's how it works, I'm pretty lapsed these days.
 

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Yet those who dont go to church (and are presumably decent people IE no murders) wont get to heaven. Weird system man.

According to Daily Mail (are they even reputable) I saw one of the letters is to "his gay jailhouse lover". Evidently Hernandez didnt check with Westborough Baptist on this whole entrance to heaven thing.
 

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Yeah. Lots of luck with that. Qualified immunity and no real damages?
Pretty much. Here's an interesting note from PFT on incarceration in MA being hazardous to your health:

"The death of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was ruled a suicide only one day after it happened. A major international publication now claims that Hernandez had intended to take his own life for an extended period of time.

According to the Daily Mail, “Hernandez was planning his suicide for weeks.” Per the report, Hernandez had given “most of his personal belongings to fellow inmates and covered the floor of his cell in soap,” so that he wouldn’t be able to save himself if he decided to abort the hanging.

Also, three different notes were found in Hernandez’s cell. (It had previously been reported that there was no note.)

These facts make it even more reasonable to ask questions regarding whether the authorities at the prison knew or should have known that Hernandez was suicidal. As mentioned Wednesday, the suicide rate for prisoners in Massachusetts was nearly double the national average for the period of 2001 through 2012. The situation prompted the Massachusetts Legislature to commission a study earlier this year aimed at better preventing inmate suicides."

(emphasis added).
 

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Yet those who dont go to church (and are presumably decent people IE no murders) wont get to heaven.
That's not true in the Catholic church. Vatican II states:
The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church.
 

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So, Adrian Hernandez found guilty, not guilty, God? and dead.
 

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Seau killed himself a few years after the Giants beat the Pats in SB 42, Hernandez killed him self a few years after GMen beat Pats in SB 46, and here, most of us Giants fans thought the smart money would be on Scott Norwood after SB 25
 

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Just as soon as they can get their hands on it
Aaron Hernandez's attorney says the state medical examiner's office is illegally withholding his client's brain

[conspiracy]must be spackling the bullet hole[/conspiracy]


As long as you accept Jesus after the fact, it's okay not a barrier to heaven, amirite @Marciano490?

What if you were a catholic before committing a murder? Can you get out of hell free by accepting Jesus again?

(This thread's about to get fun.)
Faith or works? Deathbed conversions are still the rage.

Can someone explain the whole soap thing?
Slip sliding away.
 

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Ward's lawyer is asking the Patriots and the NFL Players Association to voluntarily give her whatever money Hernandez might still be owed.

Attorney Doug Sheff told reporters he had issued a "friendly challenge" to the Patriots, who cut the tight end in 2013, the same year he killed Odin Lloyd.

Sheff said he thinks the team might have owed Hernandez up to $6 million. The suit seeks to recover that plus proceeds from the eventual sale of Hernandez's $1.3 million home, a Hummer and any other assets.

The team didn't immediately comment on his request.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19210358/mother-aaron-hernandez-victim-odin-lloyd-says-justice-done-even-murder-charge-abandoned

Are they really going to try to go after the money the Pats no longer owe him? How is that even remotely possible, other than it being a straight out gift from NE? And why do they really think they would get it?