Aaron Hernandez: eating bugs not steaks
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I dunno Rev. One of the tiny potential silver linings of this whole Hernandez saga is a continuous stream of prison news, which highlights the issues of prison treatment and/or conditions. There are not enough bright lights in the world for some of those issues (as you well know) and Hernandez's continuing jail adventures are providing more light than usual. The other stuff can't help but get some residual, reflected light as a result.
I'm glad he's trying to keep his weight up. I'd hate to see him get knocked off the line when he's suiting up for us in '15.
Yes. Putting aside the fact that AH probably is not a closeted Rhodes Scholar, there is virtually nothing in his life experience to date to suggest that he has been held accountable for anything he's done. [Insert here endless Gator coddling under Urban Meyer]. So in his mind, this little stint is probably just burnishing street cred and he absolutely expects to get out.Shelterdog said:
There is a pervasive lawlessness among a small but significant percentage of NFL players that seems to dwarf anything we have ever seen this side of professional boxing -- and that makes yesteryear's complaints about NBA players seem like charming antiques.
It's as if these guys are the old Mob, existing within society but yet standing apart from it in adhering to their code.
Seriously. When I think about all the bad decisions I've made in my personal and professional life, I look to Aaron Hernandez and think "well, at least I didn't fuck it up THAT badly."
I'm honestly trying to figure out if I can think of anyone who so quickly went from basically "having it all" and "having an awesome future" to "threatening the lives of prison guards" in such short order, without even having been convicted of anything yet. I'm convinced if he didn't kill a bunch of people*, that the Pats probably have home field in the playoffs, and possibly go to the Super Bowl (and likely lose there, but still).
* allegedly
* allegedly
Or they could feed the guy. It is pretty humiliating to be denied enough to eat, when you have yet to be convicted of anything. I can't imagine how much a young guy like that would need to eat. We are only getting one side of this. I think you need more than a guy putting a bug on his food to support the idea of a gridiron Cosonostra. This behavior seems more pathetic and childish, than entitled and gangsta.
On the flip side of "demeaning" I am pretty positive that whatever the food they receive in prison its calculated to be equal to the 2000 calories (or whatever the USDA is claiming nowadays) a human needs.
Reggie I really dont think we should (as tax payers) have to pay excess amounts to maintain a 250 lb man at his ideal playing weight. I also don't think that giving them excess calories and exercise equipment enabling them to become even more dangerous (should an inmate ever get out) is a very bright idea.....but thats me.
If someone convinced me that they where serving him 900 or 1200 calories a day....essentially starving him.....then yea I agree with you....that sucks and he shouldnt have to use the ol' bug trick. But if he is getting his 2000 cals......then screw him.
I will admit that the "serving sizes" are probably only approximate as (I assume) its inmates spooning out the chow.
Reggie I really dont think we should (as tax payers) have to pay excess amounts to maintain a 250 lb man at his ideal playing weight. I also don't think that giving them excess calories and exercise equipment enabling them to become even more dangerous (should an inmate ever get out) is a very bright idea.....but thats me.
If someone convinced me that they where serving him 900 or 1200 calories a day....essentially starving him.....then yea I agree with you....that sucks and he shouldnt have to use the ol' bug trick. But if he is getting his 2000 cals......then screw him.
I will admit that the "serving sizes" are probably only approximate as (I assume) its inmates spooning out the chow.
Definitely. 2000 calories sounds fine to me. We all know that every human requires the same number of calories per day in order to maintain a stable weight. Not to mention science has a firm grasp of nutrition, and every calorie is equivalent to every other. Just ask McDonalds or school lunch programs.
Reverend said:
Many people avoid complaining in restaurants for fear of what the kitchen staff might do to their replacement food behind closed doors and out of sight. That someone would even consider doing so in prison just amazes me. I wish the guard had just let him continue his little "scam", and instead documented all the creative and disgusting ways he and his cronies defiled Aaron's meals on a daily basis.
Tony C said:
If you put those two in the same cell and produced a reality show, it would garner stupendous ratings. I'd gladly watch just to see them try to kill each other.
It's an interesting question. I think the fairest thing to do is to accommodate all people who are detained pending trial.
Remember, AH hasn't been found guilty yet (no matter how much of a foregone conclusion it may seem to be.) If the government wants to lock someone up prior to trial (which it can and should be able to do in limited circumstances), it can at least make sure the status quo is preserved. Some of those pre-trial detainees are "factually innocent" and others, whether we "feel" them to be innocent or not, will be acquitted of whatever they've been accused of. These people shouldn't "pay" for their pre-trial incarceration in any way, but they will - jobs will be lost, possessions destroyed, birthdays and holidays lost, friendships eroded, and the taint of having been arrested, arraigned, and incarcerated (albeit temporarily) may never go away.
Obviously there are limits and balances, but in the grand scheme of things, given the above, it shouldn't be difficult for the state to provide two sandwiches instead of one. Or food based on a restricted diet (say, vegetarian/kosher, etc.) Even if the state really thinks that any particular person is going to be found guilty.
Remember, AH hasn't been found guilty yet (no matter how much of a foregone conclusion it may seem to be.) If the government wants to lock someone up prior to trial (which it can and should be able to do in limited circumstances), it can at least make sure the status quo is preserved. Some of those pre-trial detainees are "factually innocent" and others, whether we "feel" them to be innocent or not, will be acquitted of whatever they've been accused of. These people shouldn't "pay" for their pre-trial incarceration in any way, but they will - jobs will be lost, possessions destroyed, birthdays and holidays lost, friendships eroded, and the taint of having been arrested, arraigned, and incarcerated (albeit temporarily) may never go away.
Obviously there are limits and balances, but in the grand scheme of things, given the above, it shouldn't be difficult for the state to provide two sandwiches instead of one. Or food based on a restricted diet (say, vegetarian/kosher, etc.) Even if the state really thinks that any particular person is going to be found guilty.
Average Reds said:
Touché. Snark overwhelmed me.
To be more explicit: Some people need more than 2000 calories per day. Some people need less. The FDA has set an arbitrary number of calories that is recommended but it does not apply to everyone.
I'm with RR above: All signs point to Hernandez being a terrible person, but he has not yet been convicted. I can justify incarcerating people pending trial who may constitute a risk for fleeing or committing further crimes. But I'm not sure it's justified to keep young men hungry by denying them the food they need--- either out of retribution, or because we trust the FDA to specify what they "need".
crystalline said:
I agree that prison conditions (generally) are deplorable and our cultural attitudes desperately need to shift. To be specific, if the purpose of prison is ultimately to protect the public, the creation of sub-human living environments for those who are incarcerated only worsens the problems that lead to confinement in the first place, which is one of the reasons the recidivism rate is so high in the US.
With that said, ensuring that each inmate receives a diet that is tailored to their specific desires isn't high on my list and I can't imagine that this is something that will ever gain much traction with the public. I also see no evidence that this has anything to do with why AH is misbehaving in prison.
Average Reds said:
Yeah, I was trying to figure that out myself. We somehow went from AH falsifying insect infestations in order to get extra food, to AH demanding special dietary considerations (??), to a debate over whether these sorts of demands by prisoners awaiting trial should be met. I have no idea where the latter two elements came from.
2650 calories is the norm to maintain 180 lbs for a 5' 10" moderately active male. You can quibble about the exact numbers, but 2000 is way below what's needed to maintain the average adult man.
http://www.caloriecontrol.org/node/117 puts the equilibrium weight for a 30 year old who's 5'10" on a 2000 calorie diet at 112 lbs. Even given our national weight problem, that seems pretty freaking low to me.
http://www.caloriecontrol.org/node/117 puts the equilibrium weight for a 30 year old who's 5'10" on a 2000 calorie diet at 112 lbs. Even given our national weight problem, that seems pretty freaking low to me.
I'm confused, there's also commissary. He can eat as much as he can buy, which I assume is a fuckton.
Is he eligible for commissary? I thought you didn't get that privilege until you were convicted, but thinking about it I realize I have no idea where that thought came from and it probably varies by state, infractions, and such.crow216 said:
SumnerH said:
A quick google search doesn't reveal anything except that there is a spending limit of $290 per month by each inmate. That's an incredible amount because food and most items at prison commissary are very cheap. My Uncle came out of Prison in October with about 30 bottles of creatine powder, dozens of packs of peanuts and various candy, ramen...etc. All of that stuff was about 50 cents per item. Creatine powder in prison is cheaper than creatine powder outside of prison.
$290 is the federal prison system limit. You are held in jail, not prison, when awaiting trial. I'm not sure if jails have commisaries (I thought not, but like I said I'm not sure why). Googling.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/07/15/life-inside-prison-for-aaron-hernandez/k5GQZjyKZvy5aRgnZ3ndFL/story.html indicates that there might be a commissary but that Hernandez had no access to it; Bristol Jail's website isn't illuminating. If he's out of solitary that article may be out of date.
crystalline said:
Do we know that is the standard? While people may burn more or less calories, I'm sure we can come up with a standard number of calories for the inmates that makes sense.
Plus if you want to decide what you eat, don't commit the crime. Simple.
SumnerH said:
He was still in solitary as of a couple weeks ago and I'd be very surprised to hear he had been let out in the time since. Frankly, he sounds like he's kind of a pain in the ass for the facility administrators.
Totally off topic but has a health study ever been conducted which utilizes prison and jail inmate date? You basically have thousands of people on identical diets all at varying weights. It seems like a rich source of data as opposed to "a British study found that when 100 people ate 30 carbs...etc."
Wouldn't the sample be large enough to estimate the variables fairly accurately? Medical records in most states need to kept for 7-15 years before being destroyed. Would be really curious to see the data because not everyone goes to prison and loses weight despite a 2,000 calorie diet and a few packs of peanuts and ramen.
Well, regardless of whether 2,000 is factual, my point holds whether it's 2500 or 3000. Which is, I have no point. I just want to know how prison diets affect weight.
Sweet time for prison stories! Have you had many instances of inmates kiestering weapons aka using the 'prison wallet'?
Old Fart Tree said:
Friend of mine had a client who was accused of trying to smuggle a plastic wrapped brick of MJ and some coke packets into the jail. She allegedly kept the stuff in her, erm "hoo-ha". It was the size of a chalkboard eraser. It was discovered via dog sniff. Hilarity ensured as we prepped for the deposition.
Its almost always drugs in the "trunk". I've never heard of weapons being up there. But i dont do the strip searches so it might of happened. There's a special cover that goes over the toilet that is used like a strainer if you think an inmate is holding drugs.Old Fart Tree said:
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