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Drafting Edey early was a head-scratcher for sure

Kessler, GG Jackson playing SL?

Guys must want run after being off for months
Kessler is a bit odd, but his second season was considered a big disappointment, and there ae rumors he is/was on the trading block so not a huge surprise.

In terms of GG he certainly flashed a lot in the second half of the season, but he needs reps, and he has a lot of growth to go in his game, so not really a surprise at all. Although, not really sure summer league and jacking up whatever shot he wants whenever he wants is what he needs. Last night was UGLY
 

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Watching him in SL my opinion hasn't changed and probably stronger, if that is possible. I don't see how Edey can see the floor in an NBA game when he is moving defensively as if his entire body is in quicksand....and this is while he's in the paint....against non-NBA players. Utah's interior passing leads to a layup before Edey even turns his body on some possessions. Kid was born two decades too late.
Ok, i have to ask you this specifically because I feel like I am out of my mind.

When I heard Givony and KOC discussing Edey's draft stock, they specifically mentioned his "bone crunching" screens and how his screens will be so valuable in the NBA.

I watched Edey a decent amount in college and I thought his screening was only good because he was facing underdeveloped college kids. He didn't look like he was strong on his spot and got moved pretty easily when setting a screen.

Am I crazy here?
 

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No chance. He is going to have a long career in the NBA playing backup minutes
That is a pretty bad outcome for the 9th overall pick. Poeltl was the 9th overall pick, is generally talked about as just a solid player, and I don't think Edey will have nearly as good of a career.
 

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Ok, i have to ask you this specifically because I feel like I am out of my mind.

When I heard Givony and KOC discussing Edey's draft stock, they specifically mentioned his "bone crunching" screens and how his screens will be so valuable in the NBA.

I watched Edey a decent amount in college and I thought his screening was only good because he was facing underdeveloped college kids. He didn't look like he was strong on his spot and got moved pretty easily when setting a screen.

Am I crazy here?
No and I don’t get it either. College results alone do not translate to NBA success and it usually has to do with one’s size and speed compared to what their skill level is. In this case it includes how the game has changed over the past decade and even moreso now.

I do love Edey, so i hope he is going to be able to make it work on the defensive end. I have no concerns about his offense and rebounding.
I don’t like his defensive rebounding at this level due to how slow he is to react to the caroms. He’ll be fine on the offensive glass but at great cost in defensive transition. What can he do that Boban can’t? Boban in his prime was an elite low post scorer and offensive rebounder. If Edey even gets to that level how would he stay on the floor?
 

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That is a pretty bad outcome for the 9th overall pick. Poeltl was the 9th overall pick, is generally talked about as just a solid player, and I don't think Edey will have nearly as good of a career.
It's a better outcome than out of the league in 2 years though
 

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It's a better outcome than out of the league in 2 years though
Yeah with 15-man rosters he would have to sustain an injury that slows him down even further. If healthy, teams can find use for him in that 11-15 man role for awhile simply bc this league doesn’t have 7-3 centers with ball skills stockpiled at the end of NBA benches. It’s one of the reasons why Boban is still kicking around.
 

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That is a pretty bad outcome for the 9th overall pick. Poeltl was the 9th overall pick, is generally talked about as just a solid player, and I don't think Edey will have nearly as good of a career.
Agreed it is, but this was a historically bad draft. It is easy to look at everyone tight now as their bright and shiny best case scenarios, but there will be guys who went in front of Edey who will be fortunate to have careers as bench players as well. It wouldn't be a shock if half of the first round is out of the league by the end of their rookie deal.

Will Clingan have a better career than Poeltl? Certainly no sure thing.
 

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I'm pro-Edey as an NBA player and think he'll be similar to Enes Freedom without the political baggage.

I love his Andre the Giant voice booming throughout the arena.
 

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Agreed it is, but this was a historically bad draft. It is easy to look at everyone tight now as their bright and shiny best case scenarios, but there will be guys who went in front of Edey who will be fortunate to have careers as bench players as well. It wouldn't be a shock if half of the first round is out of the league by the end of their rookie deal.

Will Clingan have a better career than Poeltl? Certainly no sure thing.
This draft lacked high end talent. It was pretty deep though and it would be a complete shock if a bunch of guys don't get a second contract
 

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Agreed with the above. Can't coach height, and he brings effort. I'm not sure that you want "more aggressive Luke Kornet" with the 9th pick, but this draft is a Chinese Restaurant buffet lunch. Kid will make good money kicking around the league, probably even getting rotation minutes on bad teams. Hell, he might get 20mpg on Memphis.
 

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Edey is going to get a lot of run with Memphis. There other bigs are JJJ, Brandon Clarke, and Santi Aldama. JJJ is very good and the others are quality NBA players but none of them are rebounders who can hold up against the bigger guys in the league. Edey may fail but he ended up in a perfect spot to get playing time and I wouldn’t be shocked if he gets a chance to start.
 

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Edey is going to get a lot of run with Memphis. There other bigs are JJJ, Brandon Clarke, and Santi Aldama. JJJ is very good and the others are quality NBA players but none of them are rebounders who can hold up against the bigger guys in the league. Edey may fail but he ended up in a perfect spot to get playing time and I wouldn’t be shocked if he gets a chance to start.
This is fair. He's in a good spot with Morant controlling the ball. He should just watch Steven Adams videos
 

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i was feeling extra hot takey this morning. i think he’ll hang around the league. i don’t see him ever getting big minutes on a good team. imagine if kanter had been even slower.
 

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i was feeling extra hot takey this morning. i think he’ll hang around the league. i don’t see him ever getting big minutes on a good team. imagine if kanter had been even slower.
Yeah he won't get big minutes on a good team. He'll get rotation minutes on a bad team and a mixture of DNPs on a good team. I don't want to keep comparing him to Boban and Kanter, but both of those guys played a lot of NBA games. There are downsides to being that big, but job security is not one of them. If he ends up closer to Tacko-level mobility than Boban, then sure, he might be out of the league. But I don't think that anyone sees him as Tacko slow.
 

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Yeah he won't get big minutes on a good team. He'll get rotation minutes on a bad team and a mixture of DNPs on a good team. I don't want to keep comparing him to Boban and Kanter, but both of those guys played a lot of NBA games. There are downsides to being that big, but job security is not one of them. If he ends up closer to Tacko-level mobility than Boban, then sure, he might be out of the league. But I don't think that anyone sees him as Tacko slow.
I think you nailed it. He's like a wealthy man's Luke Kornet. I think he'll have a fairly long career, it will jsut be as someone playing like 10 MPG and on near minimum contracts.

I get that this was a bad draft but that's a really, really poor projection for the 9th pick.
 

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I think you nailed it. He's like a wealthy man's Luke Kornet. I think he'll have a fairly long career, it will jsut be as someone playing like 10 MPG and on near minimum contracts.

I get that this was a bad draft but that's a really, really poor projection for the 9th pick.
wealthy man’s luke kornet? kornet plays solid minutes on an excellent basketball team. edey will never reach that.
 

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I’m so bearish on Edey that I don’t think my opinion can be taken seriously.

I’ll be very surprised if he’s ever a good rotation player.
 

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It is going to be interesting revisiting this thread a year out and two years out.

He landed in a place that has minutes for him for sure. I think that he's definitely "taller Kornet", which alone portends for a career in the NBA. Boban has over 300 games played. FWIW, I'm honestly not sure what that smorgasbord of combine numbers tells me.
 

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It is going to be interesting revisiting this thread a year out and two years out.

He landed in a place that has minutes for him for sure. I think that he's definitely "taller Kornet", which alone portends for a career in the NBA. Boban has over 300 games played. FWIW, I'm honestly not sure what that smorgasbord of combine numbers tells me.

I'll say this now--I think Edey makes an All-Rookie team and ends up with a chance to win RoY. I think people are overreacting to his lack of lateral quickness and a lot of that comes from assuming someone his size can't play in the NBA. Who do you think is faster right now, Edey or Brook Lopez? I think you can get away with playing him in drop coverage on defense, and I'm bullish on his defensive ability. One thing a lot of the scouts who were high on Edey said was that he has the ability to be a real defensive anchor, but was coached not to be that aggressive on defense at Purdue because he was so important to them that they couldn't risk getting him in foul trouble. That won't be the case in the NBA, and you could see just in that one SL game that he can be a real factor in the paint.

On offense he is incredibly skilled and very aggressive. He's got great footwork, can finish with either hand over the shoulder, an excellent screen setter, and a threat on lobs with his 8 foot standing reach. He's going to come in and destroy some personnel off the bench--play small against him at your own peril. The more scouts and team executives have really focused in on him, the higher he climbed up draft boards. I think he's going to be a real player in the NBA.
 

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I’m so bearish on Edey that I don’t think my opinion can be taken seriously.

I’ll be very surprised if he’s ever a good rotation player.
I’m right there with you. Aside from finishing around the rim with position against a smaller defender, either on a post or put back what other NBA-level skill does he possess? I don’t even mean NBA replacement level skill….but like even 15th man skill. If he stays healthy and is a great team guy I see Boban as his upside. Kanter at his peak was able to start for many years and play 25-30 mph. I don’t see that at all here.
 

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I'll say this now--I think Edey makes an All-Rookie team and ends up with a chance to win RoY. I think people are overreacting to his lack of lateral quickness and a lot of that comes from assuming someone his size can't play in the NBA. Who do you think is faster right now, Edey or Brook Lopez? I think you can get away with playing him in drop coverage on defense, and I'm bullish on his defensive ability. One thing a lot of the scouts who were high on Edey said was that he has the ability to be a real defensive anchor, but was coached not to be that aggressive on defense at Purdue because he was so important to them that they couldn't risk getting him in foul trouble. That won't be the case in the NBA, and you could see just in that one SL game that he can be a real factor in the paint.

On offense he is incredibly skilled and very aggressive. He's got great footwork, can finish with either hand over the shoulder, an excellent screen setter, and a threat on lobs with his 8 foot standing reach. He's going to come in and destroy some personnel off the bench--play small against him at your own peril. The more scouts and team executives have really focused in on him, the higher he climbed up draft boards. I think he's going to be a real player in the NBA.
I’ll bite. Brook Lopez was quick defensively in the paint, Edey is not. There were many plays in the SL game when non-NBA players were running circles around him to where he couldn’t keep up defensively. Brook Lopez adapted his game to be a stretch 5 providing great value to the offense, Edey’s range is the paint (yes he could reinvent himself and imo will need to). Where is this alleged offensice skill? He has a soft touch around the rim and slow footwork which will limit him putting the ball to the floor. He has no face up game to speak of and is slow in recognizing off the ball actions.

I guess we’ll see but he’s going to have to make some drastic physical changes that I don’t envision occurring.
 

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I’ll bite. Brook Lopez was quick defensively in the paint, Edey is not. There were many plays in the SL game when non-NBA players were running circles around him to where he couldn’t keep up defensively. Brook Lopez adapted his game to be a stretch 5 providing great value to the offense, Edey’s range is the paint (yes he could reinvent himself and imo will need to). Where is this alleged skill? He has a soft touch around the rim and slow footwork which will limit him putting the ball to the floor.

I guess we’ll see but he’s going to have to make some drastic physical changes that I don’t envision occurring.
Enjoy being wrong again, I guess ;)
 

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I’m right there with you. Aside from finishing around the rim with position against a smaller defender, either on a post or put back what other NBA-level skill does he possess? I don’t even mean NBA replacement level skill….but like even 15th man skill. If he stays healthy and is a great team guy I see Boban as his upside. Kanter at his peak was able to start for many years and play 25-30 mph. I don’t see that at all here.
yeah, I think Kanter is getting undersold a bit around here. He had a pretty damn good post game. He also had no foot speed so eventually he was phased out, but he had some game.

Edey is a tough evaluation because he was so much bigger than everyone he played against; it was tough to tell what was skill vs. what was just him being much taller than his opposition. To my eye, he looked incredibly slow in all of his movements and moves

I will say that he definitely hustles hard and his FT% isn't good but it's not a disaster
 

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He’s only been playing basketball for 6 years. Played mostly hockey in high school, which seems crazy.
 

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He’s only been playing basketball for 6 years. Played mostly hockey in high school, which seems crazy.
Neither here nor there but the first time I watched an NHL I was about 7 years old with my grandfather. My first thought was wondering why are they making it so difficult to stop shots, can't they sign Andre The Giant and have him lay across the crease to block the entire net? Now a half decade later I'm not totally convinced I was crazy. Carry on.
 

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CelticsBlog has a rundown of who these guys are, and what we'd be hoping to see out of them:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/7/8/24194303/boston-celtics-nba-summer-league-roster-jordan-walsh-neemias-queta-jaden-springer-baylor-scheierman

Roster by position:

PG: JD Davison, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Jaelen House
SG: Jaden Springer, Baylor Scheierman
SF: Drew Peterson, Ron Harper Jr, Tristan Enaruna
PF: Jordan Walsh, Anton Watson, Tyler Cook (who is a load, might play some C)
C: Neemias Queta, Killian Tillie
How does Eddie House’s kid only shoot 32.2% from 3P? :)
 

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Yeah he won't get big minutes on a good team. He'll get rotation minutes on a bad team and a mixture of DNPs on a good team. I don't want to keep comparing him to Boban and Kanter, but both of those guys played a lot of NBA games. There are downsides to being that big, but job security is not one of them. If he ends up closer to Tacko-level mobility than Boban, then sure, he might be out of the league. But I don't think that anyone sees him as Tacko slow.
The comparison is good however I think a young Kanter would be a bit more situational than that. Edey is a guy you will want to throw out if someone is going small like the Thunder did last year but you will get smoked if you put him out against the Mavs or Timberwolves. 5 out is not the end all be all, and even the Celtics have moved to 4 out when they saw an advantage. The Celtics have a huge advantage as their 2 way wing can also play center just like the Bucks. And that is the issue.
 

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yeah, I think Kanter is getting undersold a bit around here. He had a pretty damn good post game. He also had no foot speed so eventually he was phased out, but he had some game.

Edey is a tough evaluation because he was so much bigger than everyone he played against; it was tough to tell what was skill vs. what was just him being much taller than his opposition. To my eye, he looked incredibly slow in all of his movements and moves

I will say that he definitely hustles hard and his FT% isn't good but it's not a disaster
Here’s a short video with some PnR defense. His best defensive attribute is his size. Not sure if this will work against NBA players but it was better than Luka against the Cs. :)

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUzGaDVIxY
 

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That is a pretty bad outcome for the 9th overall pick. Poeltl was the 9th overall pick, is generally talked about as just a solid player, and I don't think Edey will have nearly as good of a career.
The median expectation for that area of the draft is role player. Guys like Trey Burke, Frank Kaminsky, etc.
 

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Why haven't any of the east coast cities tried to take a bite out of the summer league? Exhibitions in California and Utah before heading to Vegas. Seems like some sort of regional missed opportunity there?
 

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Why haven't any of the east coast cities tried to take a bite out of the summer league? Exhibitions in California and Utah before heading to Vegas. Seems like some sort of regional missed opportunity there?
There was one in Boston many moons ago - the Shaw Summer League held at UMass. Reebok Pro Summer League - Wikipedia

Orlando also had a summer league.

However, the LV summer league is owned and run by the NBA and the games are only part of what goes on. I imagine it would be tough for another summer league to get off the ground, particularly since there's a limit on how many games these guys are going to play.
 

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Neither here nor there but the first time I watched an NHL I was about 7 years old with my grandfather. My first thought was wondering why are they making it so difficult to stop shots, can't they sign Andre The Giant and have him lay across the crease to block the entire net? Now a half decade later I'm not totally convinced I was crazy. Carry on.
Gotta say, you write well for a 12-year-old.
 

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Am I wrong that Edey looks leaner and quicker in summer league than he looked in college? When I saw his college highlights i thought there's no way he's an NBA player, but pleasantly surprised with how he looks in summer league.
 

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Neither here nor there but the first time I watched an NHL I was about 7 years old with my grandfather. My first thought was wondering why are they making it so difficult to stop shots, can't they sign Andre The Giant and have him lay across the crease to block the entire net? Now a half decade later I'm not totally convinced I was crazy. Carry on.
Trent Brown likes laying down. He's probably up for this.