2024 NBA Summer League - The Baylor and Bronny version

Smokey Joe · Jul 2, 2024

Yeah but who’s on the roster. Besides Tristan and the picks.

mcpickl · Jul 2, 2024

HomeRunBaker said:
It should be announced in a few days. They begin VSL a week later than usual this year so the team probably won’t begin practice until Tues the 9th if I had to guess. Right now the only ones certain to be there are Scheierman, Watson and Enaruna from this years class with Walsh from last years. I’d have to imagine Springer would as well and Queta too since he’s a part of our developmental group although this isn’t the best setting for the latter. Again only guessing but I expect Peterson and Davison to latch on with another SL team prior to this event beginning. They seem like the odd men out. The rest of the roster will be filler.

The Celtics actually gave Peterson a qualifying offer. He's probably back as one of their two-way players next season.

ifmanis5 · Jul 5, 2024

View: https://twitter.com/NoaDalzellNBA/status/1809291719952785745

The full Celtics Summer League team has yet to be released, but per @AdamHimmelsbach, it's expected to include the following players: - Jaden Springer - Jordan Walsh - JD Davison - Drew Peterson - Baylor Scheierman - Anton Watson - Tristan Enaruna (undrafted free agent)
Neemias Queta also listed as a possibility. Remarkably, even the Summer League team could have significant continuity from last year's squad.

jmcc5400 · Jul 5, 2024

ifmanis5 said:
View: https://twitter.com/NoaDalzellNBA/status/1809291719952785745

The full Celtics Summer League team has yet to be released, but per @AdamHimmelsbach, it's expected to include the following players: - Jaden Springer - Jordan Walsh - JD Davison - Drew Peterson - Baylor Scheierman - Anton Watson - Tristan Enaruna (undrafted free agent)
Neemias Queta also listed as a possibility. Remarkably, even the Summer League team could have significant continuity from last year's squad.

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Double Down Trent · Jul 5, 2024

Whither Juhann and Yam?

Imbricus · Jul 5, 2024

Queta again, possibly? Didn't realize you could do that with an NBA player who's been in the league three years. But hey, why not?

Edit: to fix dropped word

bigq · Jul 5, 2024

Pretty much running back last year’s SL team that was one game away from winning the tournament. Maybe this is the year they take home the trophy.

radsoxfan · Jul 5, 2024

2 questions for the Summer League Vets...

--Whats the best place to stay for Vegas Summer League?

--How does that final weekend work Sat July 20 and Sun July 21 thats listed TBD? Will the Celtics play only one of those days? Both if they win?

radsoxfan · Jul 6, 2024

HomeRunBaker said:
Define “Best place to stay?” Are you looking to be walking distance to venue or staying at hotel where majority of players/coaches are so you can run shoulders?

The top 4 teams advance to the two semi-final games (not sure if these are 20th or 21st) with the two winners meeting in the Championship Game. The remaining 26 teams will play one more game, a “consolation game”, on either the 20th or 21st.

Both I suppose. I initially meant logistically. But would also be curious where most of the players/coaches stay, if that answer is different.

Gotcha re: schedule. I wouldnt be going for long, probably just the weekend. Arriving night of Fri July 19 or morning Sat June 20. Sounds like I'd catch at least 1 Celtics game if I did that.

benhogan · Jul 6, 2024

radsoxfan said:
Both I suppose. I initially meant logistically. But would also be curious where most of the players/coaches stay, if that answer is different.

Gotcha re: schedule. I wouldnt be going for long, probably just the weekend. Arriving night of Fri July 19 or morning Sat June 20. Sounds like I'd catch at least 1 Celtics game if I did that.

It's a lot of fun. I went a few years ago and paid a couple extra bucks to sit courtside and Ted Leonis sat down next to us. There are tons of NBA players, HCs, NBA media walking the hallway between Cox Pavilion and the gym. In the gym, you'll end up sitting next GMs/Front Office folk. Bronny is going to drive huge attention to Lakers games, but the rest of the games will be small gatherings.

You'll be taking a cab from your hotel since it's blistering hot outside. The Arena is a few blocks off the strip.

radsoxfan · Jul 6, 2024

Thanks for the intel. Last few times I've been to Vegas I have stayed at Wynn/Encore, sounds like that might be the way to go if I manage to sneak away for the weekend.

Bleedred · Jul 6, 2024

HomeRunBaker said:
The closest casino/hotel I believe would be Virgin which is operated by Mohegan Sun. It’s off the strip about half a mile from Thomas & Mack, arguably the best value for your dollar as it is priced inexpensive but is pretty nice. This time of year it’s probably not the walk you want to take between 11am-6pm due to the sun and heat. The clientele at that hotel is, let me word this carefully, the type of people who look and dress like they would be staying somewhere inexpensive. There are a couple other hotels nearby like an Extended Stay, etc but I don’t think that is what you want.

Wynn and Encore are two hotels connected together and this is THE spot where many of the teams stay and among the nicest casino/hotels in Vegas. The Saturday night scenery is straight out of Hollywood with the clubs at the hotel. I had a conversation with Jim Boeheim who was there to watch his son in LVSL as we were waiting for our poker seats one minute and sitting down having coffee with UFC fighter Michael Chandler the next. Vegas is a place where the celebrities act like normal people unlike other parts of society.

As benhogan said, the lobby that connects the main Thomas & Mack Center with Cox Pavillion is a Who’s Who of basketball. Current players, coaches as well as former players and coaches. The week out there is as much of a reunion and networking event as it is a summer league. I could not recommend it strongly enough for a diehard basketball fan.

Per the bolded: My son just graduated Syracuse in May with a degree in Sports Management. He was a student manager of the men's basketball team and did his senior internship this Spring with the Hoop Group. https://hoopgroup.com. He was captain of his HS hoop team.

He is all-in pursuing basketball ops jobs in the NBA and/or G league and in the past 18 months has had some very good meetings but nothing has broken yet. On his own initiative and dime (which he has few of, I'm helping), he's going to LV Sat the 13th - Sat the 20th. He has some tentative meetings with Basketball ops guys, but nothing firm. A few Qs for @HomeRunBaker or anyone else:

1. He's staying at Hyatt Place to save money (7-10 minute walk to the T&M Center). Is it worth him staying at Wynn/Encore to be around all of the NBA guys (I'd have to help him financially)? Somewhere else? https://www.hyatt.com/hyatt-place/en-US/laszl-hyatt-place-las-vegas?src=corp_lclb_gmb_seo_laszl

2. He plans on attending all the games every day, general admission ($50 ticket per day) to be around NBA staffers, etc. Does he need better tix to be closer? Any advice here?

3. Any other general advice?

Thanks!

radsoxfan · Jul 6, 2024

Bleedred said:
Per the bolded: My son just graduated Syracuse in May with a degree in Sports Management. He was a student manager of the men's basketball team and did his senior internship this Spring with the Hoop Group. https://hoopgroup.com. He was captain of his HS hoop team.

He is all-in pursuing basketball ops jobs in the NBA and/or G league and in the past 18 months has had some very good meetings but nothing has broken yet. On his own initiative and dime (which he has few of, I'm helping), he's going to LV Sat the 13th - Sat the 20th. He has some tentative meetings with Basketball ops guys, but nothing firm. A few Qs for @HomeRunBaker or anyone else:

First of all, very cool and good luck to him! Hope he lands something awesome

HRB and others can offer far more than I can, just as a quick reminder, the Wynn/Encore is open to the public. At least the casino, sports book, restaurants, lobby shops etc. You can spend all day there without having a room.

Obviously certain areas like the gym and pool are for guests, so if thats potentially helpful maybe he'll want to stay there. But aside from that, he can roam around there for any non-game time regardless. If he does want to try it out for a night, maybe try a tues or wed night as the rates will be more reasonable than weekend.

NortheasternPJ · Jul 6, 2024

Bleedred said:
Per the bolded: My son just graduated Syracuse in May with a degree in Sports Management. He was a student manager of the men's basketball team and did his senior internship this Spring with the Hoop Group. https://hoopgroup.com. He was captain of his HS hoop team.

He is all-in pursuing basketball ops jobs in the NBA and/or G league and in the past 18 months has had some very good meetings but nothing has broken yet. On his own initiative and dime (which he has few of, I'm helping), he's going to LV Sat the 13th - Sat the 20th. He has some tentative meetings with Basketball ops guys, but nothing firm. A few Qs for @HomeRunBaker or anyone else:

1. He's staying at Hyatt Place to save money (7-10 minute walk to the T&M Center). Is it worth him staying at Wynn/Encore to be around all of the NBA guys (I'd have to help him financially)? Somewhere else? https://www.hyatt.com/hyatt-place/en-US/laszl-hyatt-place-las-vegas?src=corp_lclb_gmb_seo_laszl

2. He plans on attending all the games every day, general admission ($50 ticket per day) to be around NBA staffers, etc. Does he need better tix to be closer? Any advice here?

3. Any other general advice?

Thanks!

I'm not one for giving kids things they don't earn and just handing kids everything, but if he's doing this on his own initiative and own dime and doesn't ask for any favors, upgrade him to the Wynn and surprise him

Bleedred · Jul 6, 2024

NortheasternPJ said:
I'm not one for giving kids things they don't earn and just handing kids everything, but if he's doing this on his own initiative and own dime and doesn't ask for any favors, upgrade him to the Wynn and surprise him

He's doing it on his own initiative, but I do have to help him with some of the costs, he just doesn't have the money for all of it. Unless there's tremendous value in him being at the Wynn, I probably will not do it. However, @radsoxfan fan's suggestion about being around the Wynn before the games is a good one.

radsoxfan · Jul 6, 2024

Only catching the tail end of the Lakers game.... but what I've seen and the stat sheet is more of the same from Bronny, looks like he did at USC.

I don't think he was an undraftable prospect (though the contract was definitely excessive), but he has a long way to go. Hopefully a year in the G-League will help him turn the corner (I'd like to see him at least be useful/non awful), but a few nice summer league games would certainly help his confidence.

He has never really been one of the best players on his own team, even most of high school (his team was quite good and prospect-laden of course, aside from his senior year). At some point, despite the pedigree and athleticism, that's a problem.

Justthetippett · Jul 6, 2024

radsoxfan said:
Only catching the tail end of the Lakers game.... but what I've seen and the stat sheet is more of the same from Bronny, looks like he did at USC.

I don't think he was an undraftable prospect (though the contract was definitely excessive), but he has a long way to go. Hopefully a year in the G-League will help him turn the corner (I'd like to see him at least be useful/non awful), but a few nice summer league games would certainly help his confidence.

He has never really been one of the best players on his own team, even most of high school (his team was quite good and prospect-laden of course, aside from his senior year). At some point, despite the pedigree and athleticism, that's a problem.

I saw an intelligent player (good passer, good team defender, in the right spots on offense) that doesn't really have any elite skills. His shot looks shaky. As a 3D prospect he'll need to be able to hit his ATB and corner threes at a high rate. He's young so it could happen for him. But he has a long ways to go. He's not going to light up the G league stat sheet. He's probably going to be best on a good team in a very defined role.

radsoxfan · Jul 6, 2024

I think Bronny is the first player in basketball history that gets labeled intelligent for not throwing the ball directly to the other team and standing generally near someone on D.

Not picking on you, I am probably in the minority, but most games he doesn’t do much of anything on the court aside from a random athletic dunk.

I have seen him play a lot and despite the pedigree, he never does anything impressive BBiQ wise. His teammates always look more savvy than he does out there.

I guess we’ll see how things develop, I know plenty of people like to tout his basketball intelligence. I just haven’t seen it.

Just a bit outside · Jul 6, 2024

At 6’2” he needs to do more than stand in the corner which is what he did most of the game. He had one nice drive off a dribble handoff but was pretty much invisible most of the game.

benhogan · Jul 6, 2024

radsoxfan said:
I think Bronny is the first player in basketball history that gets labeled intelligent for not throwing the ball directly to the other team and standing generally near someone on D.

Not picking on you, I am probably in the minority, but most games he doesn’t do much of anything on the court aside from a random athletic dunk.

I have seen him play a lot and despite the pedigree, he never does anything impressive BBiQ wise. His teammates always look more savvy than he does out there.

I guess we’ll see how things develop, I know plenty of people like to tout his basketball intelligence. I just haven’t seen it.

Ha. Did Knecht play? I am somewhat interested in seeing the next JJ Redick play (even though Dalton has never shot above 40% from 3 in a college season)

I expect glowing Bronny coverage (intangibles, IQ, team play, D, etc) from the mainstream NBA Media. Klutch will aggressively run narratives/talking points for SAS, Windy, & Co. OTOH social media will throw a party with every Bronny turnover.

The Lakers' face-plant in FA this summer has been delightful.

Justthetippett · Jul 6, 2024

radsoxfan said:
I think Bronny is the first player in basketball history that gets labeled intelligent for not throwing the ball directly to the other team and standing generally near someone on D.

Not picking on you, I am probably in the minority, but most games he doesn’t do much of anything on the court aside from a random athletic dunk.

I have seen him play a lot and despite the pedigree, he never does anything impressive BBiQ wise. His teammates always look more savvy than he does out there.

I guess we’ll see how things develop, I know plenty of people like to tout his basketball intelligence. I just haven’t seen it.

Fair enough. I haven't watch him as much and maybe it's the general frenetic, sloppy summer league that had him look composed in my view. I thought he was good on the hockey assist type plays that kept the offense organized and yeah, in the right place on D and not hacking people like some others out there.

Lose Remerswaal · Jul 6, 2024

benhogan said:
Ha. Did Knecht play? I am somewhat interested in seeing the next JJ Redick play (even though Dalton has never shot above 40% from 3 in a college season)

I expect glowing Bronny coverage (intangibles, IQ, team play, D, etc) from the mainstream NBA Media. Klutch will aggressively run narratives/talking points for SAS, Windy, & Co. OTOH social media will throw a party with every Bronny turnover.

The Lakers' face-plant in FA this summer has been delightful.

LA news showed a couple minutes of Bronny, then showed Knecht hitting a three pointer.

reggiecleveland · Jul 7, 2024

My buddy is a huge Laker fan and a coach with National College and Pro League titles on his resume. Hew watched the Lakers summer league game and said "Kudos to Lebron for having the power to get his kid to the NBA. But. Bronny just isn't a good player, and doesn't even look athletic in summer league."

Bleedred · Jul 7, 2024

HomeRunBaker said:
1. radsox wrote almost word for word what I was about to say regarding upgrading hotels. He can play off like he’s staying at Wynn, rub shoulders at the bar, then Uber back at 3am. Make sure he asks people where everyone is going at night so he isn’t roaming aimlessly…..much better to know that the guys he met will be at say the sports book bar around 8pm. Weekend rooms with big event, such as LVSL, are going to be $800-$1000 on weekend nights, and $300-400 during week…he really doesn’t need it. The other thing is that the people he’s talking to during the day aren’t all going to be his cup of tea but hopefully he connects with some to where they discuss nighttime plans….and those people may not be staying at Encore/Wynn. So stay at Hyatt but prepare to Uber from Hyatt to Strip and back at night. Let him know it’s all an interview, every minute he’s out there. If he dresses the part, gets along with people, engages in conversation then he will be remembered the next time they meet (maybe out in Vegas the next year and future years)….but if he gets drunk and says some stupid shit he’s also going to be remembered if you know what I mean. You choose your reputation.

2. Pro advice here. Don’t attend a game in Thomas & Mack unless he’s with someone or a group that he’s looking to impress/build relationships. T&M seats 17,000 or so and is not conducive to do anything except watch a game in a large arena from your seat….which isn’t his purpose on this trip. At first, assuming he’s alone, have him get into the Cox Pavillon gym games. It’s like a big high school gym with bleachers that seat about 3500. It’s an incredibly intimate basketball experience. He can easily move around to different spots throughout the day and if he gets talking to someone it’s easy to continue that conversation bc you can fit into a bleacher spot easier than finding empty seats in a large arena. One year, Taurean Prince and his agent needed a spot so we slid over and got to talking with the agent all game. That never would have happened at T&M.

3. Yes especially if he’s going to be walking to arena and back. All next week the high temps with be 115-118 degrees every day…but there is no humidity so you don’t sweat so you become vulnerable to all type of heat issues thinking it’s not really that hot. It’s awful bc your body doesn’t sweat so it doesn’t cool down….I’d you don’t have water with you constantly you aren’t drinking enough water. It’s literally like walking in an oven but your body doesn’t cool down on its own. This happened to my friend out there the other day. He called me from a random casino he walked into bc he was dizzy and lightheaded trying to find water and food.

Oh the other. When you’re young in MA and a pretty girls smile at you it’s awesome! I’m Vegas, it’s not. Most all “real” girls in Vegas have their guard up and they aren’t going to be outgoing to strange guys. If a girl is smiling at him and wanting to hang out it means they want something…..drinks, money, luring him to room then followed by a guy to rob him. The latter is VERY common in Vegas. Make sure he understands that Las Vegas girls aren’t the same girls from Salem, NH assuming that’s his thing.

Thanks for taking the time to write this, much appreciated!

the moops · Jul 7, 2024

reggiecleveland said:
My buddy is a huge Laker fan and a coach with National College and Pro League titles on his resume. Hew watched the Lakers summer league game and said "Kudos to Lebron for having the power to get his kid to the NBA. But. Bronny just isn't a good player, and doesn't even look athletic in summer league."

20 minutes. The dude played 20 minutes. Not sure how anyone can figure anything out from someone's first 20 minutes in an NBA game

reggiecleveland · Jul 7, 2024

the moops said:
20 minutes. The dude played 20 minutes. Not sure how anyone can figure anything out from someone's first 20 minutes in an NBA game

No offence but I doubt ne based it on 20 minutes he follows the Lakers closely

slamminsammya · Jul 7, 2024

He looked pretty springy and quick. he just couldn’t shoot at all.

JakeRae · Jul 7, 2024

One note on the dry heat/sweat thing to make sure no one is confused, your body still sweats and self-cools in dry heat. You don’t feel sweat somewhere like Vegas because the moisture is evaporating almost instantly. That’s why you need to drink so much water. But above a certain temperature, you just can’t sweat enough to keep yourself cool, particularly out in the sun. The general advice HRB gave on being careful with heat is all good advice, just the physiology is wrong.

Smokey Joe · Jul 8, 2024

JakeRae said:
One note on the dry heat/sweat thing to make sure no one is confused, your body still sweats and self-cools in dry heat. You don’t feel sweat somewhere like Vegas because the moisture is evaporating almost instantly. That’s why you need to drink so much water. But above a certain temperature, you just can’t sweat enough to keep yourself cool, particularly out in the sun. The general advice HRB gave on being careful with heat is all good advice, just the physiology is wrong.

Thank you.

JM3 · Jul 8, 2024

It was 120 today smh. 3 degrees higher than the previous record.

BigMike · Jul 8, 2024

JakeRae said:
One note on the dry heat/sweat thing to make sure no one is confused, your body still sweats and self-cools in dry heat. You don’t feel sweat somewhere like Vegas because the moisture is evaporating almost instantly. That’s why you need to drink so much water. But above a certain temperature, you just can’t sweat enough to keep yourself cool, particularly out in the sun. The general advice HRB gave on being careful with heat is all good advice, just the physiology is wrong.

Always good when you golf out there and can see and taste the salt on your skin at the end of the round, even though your shirt is relatively dry

And i have been lucky and think 105 is the hottest day I have ever had out there

RedOctober3829 · Jul 8, 2024

Notable additions are Eddie House's kid and Ron Harper Jr. Harper had some run with the Raptors last year.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1810355522945822907

Bernie Carbohydrate · Jul 8, 2024

I just left Vegas today. Dear God the heat.

Don’t get caught off guard by the evening heat. It is still pushing triple digits at 10pm as the sidewalks and streets radiate the heat that was absorbed all day. I’ve never seen anything like it, and I’ve lived in the south for almost 40 years.

oumbi · Jul 8, 2024

Yes, having lived in South Texas, when it was 110 F in the daytime, you knew the parking lots were well over 120 F. The only time to go outside was very early and very late. I don't miss it in the least.

Justthetippett · Jul 8, 2024

I remember being in this kind of heat, jogging outside in the early evening, not sweating at all (for the reasons above) and then coming back into AC and sweating profusely. The whole thing takes a toll on your body. Hydrate as much as you can!

chilidawg · Jul 8, 2024

RedOctober3829 said:
Notable additions are Eddie House's kid and Ron Harper Jr. Harper had some run with the Raptors last year.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1810355522945822907

Walsh still the youngest guy by a couple years. Springer is younger than I realized too. Looking forward to watching those two.

Bosoxian · Jul 8, 2024

I was working in Phoenix on a big project, while my customer was in the middle of constructing the factory we were readying. Plumbing wasn’t ready yet and so all we had were portapotties. It hit a record 122 during one stretch and I remember ever deciding not to drink anything because no one wanted to have to use the toilets.

InstaFace · Jul 8, 2024

RedOctober3829 said:
Notable additions are Eddie House's kid and Ron Harper Jr. Harper had some run with the Raptors last year.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1810355522945822907

CelticsBlog has a rundown of who these guys are, and what we'd be hoping to see out of them:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/7/8/24194303/boston-celtics-nba-summer-league-roster-jordan-walsh-neemias-queta-jaden-springer-baylor-scheierman

Roster by position:

PG: JD Davison, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Jaelen House
SG: Jaden Springer, Baylor Scheierman
SF: Drew Peterson, Ron Harper Jr, Tristan Enaruna
PF: Jordan Walsh, Anton Watson, Tyler Cook (who is a load, might play some C)
C: Neemias Queta, Killian Tillie

Just a bit outside · Jul 8, 2024

Based on the first half of the Grizzlies game, Edey is going to set a pick for Ja on every possession.

benhogan · Jul 8, 2024

HomeRunBaker said:
Watching him in SL my opinion hasn't changed and probably stronger, if that is possible. I don't see how Edey can see the floor in an NBA game when he is moving defensively as if his entire body is in quicksand....and this is while he's in the paint....against non-NBA players. Utah's interior passing leads to a layup before Edey even turns his body on some possessions. Kid was born two decades too late.

Drafting Edey early was a head-scratcher for sure

Kessler, GG Jackson playing SL?

Guys must want run after being off for months

benhogan · Jul 8, 2024

Using the Elam "target score" Ending for OT isn't a bad idea.

InstaFace · Jul 8, 2024

benhogan said:
Kessler, GG Jackson playing SL?

That was my question too. First off, what is Walker Kessler, 2023 All-Rookie Team, doing slumming it in VSL? Secondly, what is Walker Kessler, 2023 All-Rookie Team, major piece in the Gobert trade and what Danny Ainge saw as the future of his center position, doing getting posterized by a just-drafted Zach Edey?

View: https://twitter.com/EdeyMuse/status/1810508411492270358

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