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I think it’s going to cost more than a single pick in a role player draft to acquire Trae Young. Atnalta already owns the first pick, why would they want even cruftier players?
 

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I think it’s going to cost more than a single pick in a role player draft to acquire Trae Young. Atnalta already owns the first pick, why would they want even cruftier players?
Agree with this. Folks seem to be bought in that Atlanta wants to move Trae before his contract value tanks any more than it already has, but picks in this draft are less valuable than usual especially to the team that already has the #1 pick.

Not gonna stop folks from wishcasting Muggsy & Manute v2.
 

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Poor man’s Avery Bradley is a good comp. Bradley was the #1 guy in his class by at least one publication coming out of HS though…..Bronny was never that guy.
Sierra Canyon “had some good players?” Their entire starting lineup and one of their bench guys played D-1 last year or will play D-1 this year….they were loaded. 23-11 came against the best teams from all over the country traveling for those ESPN games. They didn’t go 23-11 against North Attleboro and Fitchburg High.
He averaged 13.8 PPG, 5.7 reb, and 2.7 assists as a high school senior (looks like my senior year stat line!).
Poor man's Avery Bradley or rich man's @radsoxfan.
 

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Agree with this. Folks seem to be bought in that Atlanta wants to move Trae before his contract value tanks any more than it already has, but picks in this draft are less valuable than usual especially to the team that already has the #1 pick.

Not gonna stop folks from wishcasting Muggsy & Manute v2.
I’ve been saying this for a while now, I’ve spent my usual (obsessive) amount of time watching tape of all these guys. I know there’s an all star in there, because there always is. But I’ll be damned if I can figure out who it’s going to be. Stephon Castle maybe? On another note Boston should be claiming IP rights to Jaylon Tyson.
 

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I’ve been saying this for a while now, I’ve spent my usual (obsessive) amount of time watching tape of all these guys. I know there’s an all star in there, because there always is. But I’ll be damned if I can figure out who it’s going to be. Stephon Castle maybe? On another note Boston should be claiming IP rights to Jaylon Tyson.
LOL at @ JT

Of course. There's probably a few all stars in this draft. Like other bad drafts, they could be at 14, 27, and 42. Who the fuck knows?

Edit: just noticed that JT played at Cal also. Kinda has to happen, doesn't it?
 

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Holmes is the guy I'd like at 30, but it feels like there's no shot he lasts that long.

Edit: And it's pretty likely the Celtics trade down from 30 anyway.
 

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Holmes is the guy I'd like at 30, but it feels like there's no shot he lasts that long.

Edit: And it's pretty likely the Celtics trade down from 30 anyway.
I don't think you want to trade out of the 30th if you are the Celtics. You get a three year contract at just above minimum with rights after three years. With the second apron, I think the last pick becomes more valuable than 2nd round contract since you can't aggregate contracts anymore
 

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Agree with this. Folks seem to be bought in that Atlanta wants to move Trae before his contract value tanks any more than it already has, but picks in this draft are less valuable than usual especially to the team that already has the #1 pick.
It's consensus that the lottery picks in this draft are way below the talent level of previous years. But I've read less about the middle of the 1st round and onwards. Is it that the overall draft is weak, so a guy who'd go (say) 10th will now go 1st and a guy who'd go 20th will go at #10, and onwards through the draft? Or is it that the draft is flat, so while the lottery talent is down, if a team is drafting at #15 or #25 or #40 the talent available won't be much different than in previous years?
 

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It's consensus that the lottery picks in this draft are way below the talent level of previous years. But I've read less about the middle of the 1st round and onwards. Is it that the overall draft is weak, so a guy who'd go (say) 10th will now go 1st and a guy who'd go 20th will go at #10, and onwards through the draft? Or is it that the draft is flat, so while the lottery talent is down, if a team is drafting at #15 or #25 or #40 the talent available won't be much different than in previous years?
I’ll compare it to 2001. There are a ton of roleplayers in this pool. The problem is that the roleplayer section of the draft starts at #1. We’re talking about Zacho Falledey as a first round pick and the two 6’2” Kentucky guards as lottery picks. It’s a terrible draft to be in the lottery. But there are enough roleplayers that Boston could legitimately turn one up at #54.
 

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It's consensus that the lottery picks in this draft are way below the talent level of previous years. But I've read less about the middle of the 1st round and onwards. Is it that the overall draft is weak, so a guy who'd go (say) 10th will now go 1st and a guy who'd go 20th will go at #10, and onwards through the draft? Or is it that the draft is flat, so while the lottery talent is down, if a team is drafting at #15 or #25 or #40 the talent available won't be much different than in previous years?
Agreed with what hob said. I'm inferring a lot from what analysts are saying overall. One thing about the various projections is that the top 40ish guys are all different across boards (except for the top 2 really). Like wildly different. #4, #12, #20 different. Some guys are projected late first on one board and mid second elsewhere. What's interesting though is that it's the same 40 guys or so across most boards, just with different rankings mostly.

It's a great year to look for low-cost role players and a terrible year to have a high lottery pick. Probably. And not just because there's no Wemby. I'd say that there isn’t anyone who would go top 5 most years. So you're right that everyone is sliding up somewhat. But as hob notes, it is deep in role players. And there's a couple of studs in there somewhere, but nobody knows who. 2001 is a good comp. Pau went 3, and Parker went 28. There were other guys in that draft who helped teams and no real studs (unless you love Joe Johnson). This draft could be deeper than that one, and also maybe not lol.
 

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2001 is a good comp. Pau went 3, and Parker went 28. There were other guys in that draft who helped teams and no real studs (unless you love Joe Johnson). This draft could be deeper than that one, and also maybe not lol.
Joe Johnson was a legit all star at his height. If Danny Ferry hadn’t outsmarted himself (he was bragging about getting a washed up Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall for what JJ would have cost) and just signed Johnson to begin with there probably wouldn’t have been a post-LeBron era in Cleveland as they’d’ve won some titles. Also, forgotten in the Tony Parker story is that Boston promised #21 to two different players thinking only one would be available then. Only they both were. And they picked Joe Forte anyway. (The other guy was Gilbert Arenas who’d’ve had a completely different career arc playing for Jim O’Brien.)
 

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Joe Johnson was a legit all star at his height. If Danny Ferry hadn’t outsmarted himself (he was bragging about getting a washed up Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall for what JJ would have cost) and just signed Johnson to begin with there probably wouldn’t have been a post-LeBron era in Cleveland as they’d’ve won some titles. Also, forgotten in the Tony Parker story is that Boston promised #21 to two different players thinking only one would be available then. Only they both were. And they picked Joe Forte anyway. (The other guy was Gilbert Arenas who’d’ve had a completely different career arc playing for Jim O’Brien.)
I wanted Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas in that draft badly. Honestly that was the first time that I ever remember being furious at a draft in any sport. Was 100% sure that we'd get one of them with #21.

I still hate Chris Wallace.
 

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I wanted Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas in that draft badly. Honestly that was the first time that I ever remember being furious at a draft in any sport. Was 100% sure that we'd get one of them with #21.

I still hate Chris Wallace.
I was devastated by that draft. I wanted Jefferson, JJ, and Parker. As soon as I started reading the Kedrick Brown draft promise stuff, I knew we were f*cked. I later talked myself into Forte pick because Red made it but wasn’t that enthused. Was even less enthused when I went to the UMass-Boston summer league games and saw Forte crying after a particularly bad game to Bill Guthridge.
 

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I’ll compare it to 2001. There are a ton of roleplayers in this pool. The problem is that the roleplayer section of the draft starts at #1. We’re talking about Zacho Falledey as a first round pick and the two 6’2” Kentucky guards as lottery picks. It’s a terrible draft to be in the lottery. But there are enough roleplayers that Boston could legitimately turn one up at #54.
FWIW, Tankathon mock has Eddy going 30th to the Celtics. Can he be.a rich man’s Luke Kornet in the NBA? By ”rich man’s”, I mean a second string center.
 

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I was devastated by that draft. I wanted Jefferson, JJ, and Parker. As soon as I started reading the Kedrick Brown draft promise stuff, I knew we were f*cked. I later talked myself into Forte pick because Red made it but wasn’t that enthused. Was even less enthused when I went to the UMass-Boston summer league games and saw Forte crying after a particularly bad game to Bill Guthridge.
I didn't dream of JJ dropping to us. Was pleasantly surprised when he did. Could have lived with the joke pick of Kedrick, if we took Joe and then Tony at 21. Even Joe and Gilbert at 21 would have been better. Pitino/Wallace probably would have still fucked it all up somehow, but horrible drafting feels so much worse.

I bet I still have my excel spreadsheet on a HD somewhere.
 

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I wanted Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas in that draft badly. Honestly that was the first time that I ever remember being furious at a draft in any sport. Was 100% sure that we'd get one of them with #21.

I still hate Chris Wallace.
In 2017 I was obsessing over the draft because the Blazers had three picks and I thought it was their shot to put a title team around Dame. I had settled on wanting Anunoby, Jarrett Allen and Josh Hart or Jordan Bell, and we came away with Zach Collins and Caleb Swanigan. I was just devastated.
 

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I didn't dream of JJ dropping to us. Was pleasantly surprised when he did. Could have lived with the joke pick of Kedrick, if we took Joe and then Tony at 21. Even Joe and Gilbert at 21 would have been better. Pitino/Wallace probably would have still fucked it all up somehow, but horrible drafting feels so much worse.

I bet I still have my excel spreadsheet on a HD somewhere.
Yup. I was also interested in Troy Murphy despite my hatred of all things ND. Also would have been fine with Tinsley with the Forte pick because I liked his game in college. Funny thing was Pitino was literally on tv saying he expected us to take Parker.

Really have to wonder how many titles SA wins if they don’t luck out on Parker that late.
 

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Yup. I was also interested in Troy Murphy despite my hatred of all things ND. Also would have been fine with Tinsley with the Forte pick because I liked his game in college. Funny thing was Pitino was literally on tv saying he expected us to take Parker.

Really have to wonder how many titles SA wins if they don’t luck out on Parker that late.
They probably would have closed the deal on Jason Kidd in 2003 and won a similar amount.
 

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I think Edeys upside is a deeply impoverished Luke Kornet.
My son fell in love with Purdue and Edey this March Madness, so I watched him a lot. The NBA player he reminds me of most is Chuck Nevitt. He is immobile, slow, and has limited offensive skills. He is also one of the worst pick-setters I've ever seen. Here's a highlights package you can dream on.

In other news, Danny is so smart. I assume he's trying to lure the Lakers into sending him something in return for the Jazz's pick.

The Jazz have expressed interest in bringing Bronny in for an individual workout and could be interested in him with the 32nd pick, sources told Yahoo Sports.
 
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My son fell in love with Purdue and Edey this March Madness, so I watched him a lot. The NBA player he reminds me of most is Chuck Nevitt. He is immobile, slow, and has limited offensive skills. He is also one of the worst pick-setters I've ever seen.

In other news, Danny is so smart. I assume he's trying to lure the Lakers into sending him something in return for the Jazz's pick.
I love this. Wherever Danny goes, he'll always be a Celtic to me. Even if this just pisses the Lakers off a little and doesn't amount to anything else, I can relate.
 

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I didn't dream of JJ dropping to us. Was pleasantly surprised when he did. Could have lived with the joke pick of Kedrick, if we took Joe and then Tony at 21. Even Joe and Gilbert at 21 would have been better. Pitino/Wallace probably would have still fucked it all up somehow, but horrible drafting feels so much worse.

I bet I still have my excel spreadsheet on a HD somewhere.
If Boston drafted Hibachi the Tony Delk trade likely never happens. And Boston would have been building around Pierce/Johnson/Arenas.

I didn't dream of JJ dropping to us. Was pleasantly surprised when he did. Could have lived with the joke pick of Kedrick, if we took Joe and then Tony at 21. Even Joe and Gilbert at 21 would have been better. Pitino/Wallace probably would have still fucked it all up somehow, but horrible drafting feels so much worse.
The Ricktator was gone by then.
 

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I’m rooting for Bronny. Coming from privilege, and then being rocked by a life threatening health concern, but battling back through hard work to show out at the NBA Combine? Sign me up for that story. Spots 9-18 on the 30 NBA teams, including two ways, is around 300 players in total. Bronny will be one of those 300 next season, and probably would have been even without his father being an all time great, with the most sway over the league than any player ever (considering the Clutch Sports connection).


Coming out of HS, Bronny was an undersized guard with a good understanding of the game, a ton of athletic ability, and a penchant for hitting the big shot. I put zero stock in his freshman year, coming off injury on a guard heavy cluster fuck of a team. I’m not surprised by his measurements, his top of the draft numbers in jumping and agility, or his shooting prowess in drills. He wouldn’t be in the combine if he hadn’t done well in those things in the LeBron Lab already.

We shall see how he continues to play in scrimmages with his peers. Sons of of NBA players tend to be good NBA players because they grew up in an environment where they experienced the NBA, and have a superior understanding of what takes to play in the league. I expect Devin Carter to get drafted in the first round not just because he is more talented with more size and athletic ability than lots of his peers, but also because he’s the son of a long time NBA player who is the Heat’s development coach.
 

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I’m rooting for Bronny. Coming from privilege, and then being rocked by a life threatening health concern, but battling back through hard work to show out at the NBA Combine? Sign me up for that story. Spots 9-18 on the 30 NBA teams, including two ways, is around 300 players in total. Bronny will be one of those 300 next season, and probably would have been even without his father being an all time great, with the most sway over the league than any player ever (considering the Clutch Sports connection).


Coming out of HS, Bronny was an undersized guard with a good understanding of the game, a ton of athletic ability, and a penchant for hitting the big shot. I put zero stock in his freshman year, coming off injury on a guard heavy cluster fuck of a team. I’m not surprised by his measurements, his top of the draft numbers in jumping and agility, or his shooting prowess in drills. He wouldn’t be in the combine if he hadn’t done well in those things in the LeBron Lab already.

We shall see how he continues to play in scrimmages with his peers. Sons of of NBA players tend to be good NBA players because they grew up in an environment where they experienced the NBA, and have a superior understanding of what takes to play in the league. I expect Devin Carter to get drafted in the first round not just because he is more talented with more size and athletic ability than lots of his peers, but also because he’s the son of a long time NBA player who is the Heat’s development coach.
Deuce should be the clear-cut #1 overall when he graduates high school. Kid seems like he's 5 ft tall already!

But more seriously, I'm down on a Bronny gamble after he name dropped both Jrue and DW as guys to learn from. If he's willing to put in the work, those are great role models.
 

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Jonathan Givony just released his latest mock..

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#30 Kevin McCullar, SF, Kansas, 23 yrs old

and.....

#54 Bronny James
 

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Jonathan Givony just released his latest mock..

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#30 Kevin McCullar, SF, Kansas, 23 yrs old

and.....

#54 Bronny James
Originally I had wanted nothing to do with the Lebron/ Bronny circus. Now I think it would be hilarious. It might be good for Bronny’s career as well.
 

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So what's Brad's strategy draft night? I wonder if he holds on to #30 at least for a while, because he's identified two or three guys that would be good pickups at that spot, then if they're not still available, he swaps it for a couple of second rounders. Seems like a Brad thing to do again.

Don't know what our resident draft expert nighthob thinks, but I'd like to steer clear of the overseas players, unless there's some screaming value in there. Begarin and Madar soured me on that strategy. I think the odds are better of finding an overlooked gem among the U.S. college players.
 

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I want Bronny. He’s visiting “a few” teams, including phoenix and LA, sonata least for now, he’s limiting the number of franchises that lay eyes on him in their gym. Getting a chance to play behind White and Holliday would be a great way for him to develop a bit with some real vets.
 

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I want Bronny. He’s visiting “a few” teams, including phoenix and LA, sonata least for now, he’s limiting the number of franchises that lay eyes on him in their gym. Getting a chance to play behind White and Holliday would be a great way for him to develop a bit with some real vets.
 

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My pet peave is people saying “Bronny is doing this. Bronny is wanting to do that.” This is 100% Klutch/LeBron and Rich Paul calling the shots.
 

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I’d think Brad will be looking for Hauser insurance, which he probably could get, right?
 

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After more hours of watching video than any sane person should, there are a few players that intrigue me from Boston's perspective. There are no sure things, of course, but there are still some options.

  • Kevin McCullar Jr- W If, god forbid, someone throws a 4/64 offer at Hauser next summer ('25) it would be nice to have the replacement ready. KMJ shoots off the dribble threes poorly, but that should, in theory, not be a problem in Boston where he'd be an other guy on the floor level player. He's a pretty steady catch & shoot trey guy. He's also tough defensively with decent size (6'5" 206 with a 6'9" wingspan). He's about as exciting as Sam Hauser, but that's kind of what you want for that role.
  • Bobi Klintman- F Another not exciting but likely solid prospect. Has decent size (6'9" 212 w/ a 6'11" wingspan and 8'11" standing reach). Needs to add some size, but looks like he can carry another 20-25 lbs before it impacts his athleticism. The release on the jumper is a shade slow, and he'd definitely struggle against aggressive defense. Which he'll never face here. Moves well laterally, his athletic scores are more good than excellent. But if he were a big time athlete he'd be in the discussion for a lottery selection. Effective cutter and you park him at the dunker spot. Reminds me a little of Cam Johnson.
  • AJ Johnson- G Played in the NBL last year. Still 19, measured out at 6'4" 167 with a 6'8" wingspan and an 8'6" standing reach. Reminds me a little of DW in that he can handle, pass, and shoot, but needs to hit the gym running to make himself strong enough to survive in the NBA. Like White I doubt he ever reaches 200, but he could probably carry 190-195 without losing his speed and quickness. The speed, quickness, and handles give him some DW type upside, but that's also probably his 1% projection.
  • Jaylon Tyson- W I've already mentioned him a few times in this thread. He’d never succeed in a feature scoring role, but that wouldn’t be an issue here. He’s 3&D fodder. His shot’s a little inconsistent, but the form’s OK. He’s got good court awareness and is an effective cutter. Competes defensively. Has good size (6’5” 218 with a 6’8” wingspan and 8’7” standing reach). And he clearly has the right name for this team..
 
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List of players that were brought in (so far) by the Cs for pre-draft workouts and/or interviews from various sites.
Players listed with an asterisk (*) have withdrawn from the draft.
  • Jalen Bridges, Baylor
  • Nique Clifford, Colorado State *
  • Pacome Dadiet, Ulm (Germany)
  • Anthony Dell’Orso, Campbell *
  • Marcus Domask, Illinois
  • Ryan Dunn, Virginia
  • Jesse Edwards, West Virginia
  • Justin Edwards, Kentucky
  • Tristan Enaruna, Cleveland State
  • Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide 36ers (NBL)
  • Enrique Freeman, Akron
  • Coleman Hawkins, Illinois *
  • Blake Hinson, Pitt
  • Jaelen House, New Mexico
  • Harrison Ingram, North Carolina
  • Andrija Jelavic, Mega Basket (Serbia) *
  • Keshad Johnson, Arizona
  • Dillon Jones, Weber State
  • Alex Karaban, UConn *
  • Chris Ledlum, St. John’s (N.Y.)
  • Malevy Leons, Bradley
  • Judah Mintz, Syracuse
  • Jonathan Mogbo, San Francisco
  • Tristen Newton, UConn
  • Toby Okani, Illinois-Chicago *
  • Noah Penda, JA Vichy (France) *
  • Antonio Reeves, Kentucky
  • Kyle Rode, Liberty
  • Cormac Ryan, North Carolina
  • Payton Sandfort, Iowa *
  • Baylor Scheierman, Creighton
  • JT Toppin, New Mexico *
  • Armel Traoré, ADA Blois Basket (France)
  • Anton Watson, Gonzaga
  • Jaylin Williams, Auburn
  • Moses Wood, Washington
 
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I like the idea of Oso Ighodaro, but it seems like he only took 3 jumpers all year, and each of them was ugly.
 

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Cam Spencer might be a nice add to the team if they can draft him. Good size. Hyper competitive. Solid on D and is an excellent shooter.
 

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Does Boston have any roster room at all for a late 1st to develop? I guess maybe, if it's a wing?