2024 NBA Draft

[Eric Fernsten's Disco Mustache]

I don’t like the idea of drafting Bronny with the intention of holding him hostage

Dunno if this is a reaction to my brainstorm upthread, but FWIW I'm also not interested in 'holding Bronny hostage' to the extent that means he's officially a Celtic for any length of time

But if we have the pick one before LA, and Bronny is still on the Board, I'd see what they'd be willing to trade us to swap picks and take him. Of course to get them to trade us anything they'd need to credibly believe we'd draft him. So, there's some gamesmanship here.

But however that negotiation played out, I'm imagining he's a Laker by the end of the second draft night

 

[brendan f]

Who cares that he’s “old”? He will not be any sort of centerpiece for the long term. He will be useful for this window, which is all they need given the status of the team and their draft position

I'm pretty much there but the guy I want in the first for the Cs is DaRon Holmes. He's sort of a less athletic Robert Williams, but could be deployed in a similar way. He played in a 5 out system. Not sure he could switch with NBA athletes but he has a variety of skills and would likely be able to carve out a role off the bench.

So Holmes in the first and Spencer in the second would make me happy. Not very realistic but it's what I want.

 

[DavidTai]

So Holmes in the first and Spencer in the second would make me happy. Not very realistic but it's what I want.

Wasn't rumblings that Holmes had a promise from someone in the first and shut down workouts?

He actually feels like he might be a Thunder on Wednesday night.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Wasn't rumblings that Holmes had a promise from someone in the first and shut down workouts?

He actually feels like he might be a Thunder on Wednesday night.

Yes, that's been reported. He's also been invited to the Green Room on draft night. That's not a guarantee but makes it likely teams are looking at him earlier than many mocks and he'll go before Celtics...

Teams with first-round picks each year vote on the players they believe will be drafted early, typically the top 20-25 prospects. Last year, 25 prospects were invited to the green room and only one wasn’t selected in the first round (Rayan Rupert, 43rd overall pick).

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2024/06/19/2024-nba-draft-green-room-daron-holmes/

 

[brendan f]

Wasn't rumblings that Holmes had a promise from someone in the first and shut down workouts?

Hadn't heard that but don't have my ear to the ground (was paying more attention to the mocks where he was seen as a late first by most). From cursory internet browsing looks like you're correct. This seems like the kind of draft where the mocks could be way off and guys go much earlier or later than where they were mocked--eye of the beholder and whatnot.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Scheierman would be fine.The guy I like better in this role is Cam Spencer. Worse measurables but a better defender. Major problems are he's really old and prob can't do much switching, but most of his advanced stats are better than Scheierman.

Spencer is to me undrafted or late 2nd.

He's 6-3 flat, not a good wingspan and a poor athlete. I think he'll be the worse defender in the NBA because he doesn't have the tools. Strikes me as the classic "college steals" guy.

Scheierman is over 3 inches taller, 4 inches better standing reach, 3.25 inch better wingspan, and a better athlete across the board despite being bigger (better lane agility times, sprint times, significantly better vert standing and max........

Scheirman is a late 1st early 2nd prospect, Spencer is a guy who you take late 2nd if you love him, or you give him a SL invite, older prospects with bad physical tools are just not guys you draft high, and I just don't see the history of success for guys with neither size nor athleticism.

 

[brendan f]

Scheirman is a late 1st early 2nd prospect, Spencer is a guy who you take late 2nd if you love him, or you give him a SL invite, older prospects with bad physical tools are just not guys you draft high, and I just don't see the history of success for guys with neither size nor athleticism.

Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have said he's better than Scheierman. He's not.

I mean, they're both old. and I don't think there's a huge difference in their eventual outcomes, but Scheierman has the size to shoot over the top, and at least be a threat to score inside and defend whereas Spencer is such a limited athlete it's hard to see him being anything more than a spot-up shooter and weak defender. The advanced stats like Spencer's D and he did generate a decent number of steals but it's hard to see that translating.

There's certainly no way you take Spencer at 30, but I'd be fine with him as a mid second. I see Scheierman as a 2nd, too, but in this draft you could prob talk yourself into him at the end of the first.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I don't watch enough college or combine stuff to have an informed opinion on most of these guys, though I do think pretty hard about their profiles and comps.

So, my question for those who watch a lot more college/combine/tape is what do you make of Jonathan Mogbo? Measurable-wise, and written scouting, he seems like a pretty interesting potential role player, with elite physical skills and strong rebounding/defense chops. Not much of a shooter, but wondered what people made of his actual game (as opposed to me reading about his game).

 

[pjheff]

List of players that were brought in (so far) by the Cs for pre-draft workouts and/or interviews from various sites.
Players listed with an asterisk (*) have withdrawn from the draft.

• Justin Edwards, Kentucky
• Trentyn Flowers, Adelaide 36ers (NBL)

It was interesting recently to revisit Jaylen’s draft night booing and the revelation that the C’s had him ranked so highly in his high school class that they were undeterred by issues in his one year at Cal. The team pursued a similar tack in the past, with Rondo and Bradley, as well as recently, with Davison and Walsh. Assuming that Brad is not able to flip Kornet, #30, and a future swap into Wembanyama — a dangerous assumption, given Brad’s current heater — Edwards and Flowers would seem to have the type of pedigree to interest him while still potentially being available where the team selects.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

It was interesting recently to revisit Jaylen’s draft night booing and the revelation that the C’s had him ranked so highly in his high school class that they were undeterred by issues in his one year at Cal. The team pursued a similar tack in the past, with Rondo and Bradley, as well as recently, with Davison and Walsh. Assuming that Brad is not able to flip Kornet, #30, and a future swap into Wembanyama — a dangerous assumption, given Brad’s current heater — Edwards and Flowers would seem to have the type of pedigree to interest him while still potentially being available where the team selects.

I followed college basketball, and the PAC-10, very closely back then. What issues are you referring to that Jaylen had at Cal? My recollection was that he was lauded for being scholarly while wanting to take grad courses as a freshman and playing on an awful basketball team where he was asked to do everything while often double and triple-teamed.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

I followed college basketball, and the PAC-10, very closely back then. What issues are you referring to that Jaylen had at Cal? My recollection was that he was lauded for being scholarly while wanting to take grad courses as a freshman and playing on an awful basketball team where he was asked to do everything while often double and triple-teamed.

My recollection of the Jaylen discourse back then boiled down to question marks about:

• The outside shot, which is something practically every one and done wing has dealt with coming into the league out of the terrible spacing of NCAA ball
• Handle, obviously
• Lack of steals/blocks/other good defensive signals
• A guy with his athleticism should be dominating, etc

Not unusual stuff but in Jaylen's case it was also punctuated with a REALLY bad one and done first round tournament game. I think he probably conjured some Kedrick Brown PTSD.

I'll never forget Bill Simmons embarrassingly cheerleading for Buddy Hield that year, woof.

 

[pjheff]

I followed college basketball, and the PAC-10, very closely back then. What issues are you referring to that Jaylen had at Cal? My recollection was that he was lauded for being scholarly while wanting to take grad courses as a freshman and playing on an awful basketball team where he was asked to do everything while often double and triple-teamed.

A lack of development in an environment that was perhaps not conducive to that development.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

My recollection of the Jaylen discourse back then boiled down to question marks about:

• The outside shot, which is something practically every one and done wing has dealt with coming into the league out of the terrible spacing of NCAA ball
• Handle, obviously
• Lack of steals/blocks/other good defensive signals
• A guy with his athleticism should be dominating, etc

Not unusual stuff but in Jaylen's case it was also punctuated with a REALLY bad one and done first round tournament game. I think he probably conjured some Kedrick Brown PTSD.

I'll never forget Bill Simmons embarrassingly cheerleading for Buddy Hield that year, woof.

This was so long ago I forgot if I missed something but I tried as hard as I could in shooting down the “can’t shoot” label that some had given him. Martin’s offense was awful with zero spacing that I ranted about back then. Defensively he was a freshman often playing the back line of a zone so I don’t put much weight into defensive stats translating when it is a completely different game they were playing much of the time.

 

[benhogan]

My recollection of the Jaylen discourse back then boiled down to question marks about:

• The outside shot, which is something practically every one and done wing has dealt with coming into the league out of the terrible spacing of NCAA ball
• Handle, obviously
• Lack of steals/blocks/other good defensive signals
• A guy with his athleticism should be dominating, etc

Not unusual stuff but in Jaylen's case it was also punctuated with a REALLY bad one and done first round tournament game. I think he probably conjured some Kedrick Brown PTSD.

I'll never forget Bill Simmons embarrassingly cheerleading for Buddy Hield that year, woof.

my recollection of the Jaylen Brown draft was a fair amount of interest in Kris Dunn...woof woof

shifting gears but I see Reed Sheppard mocked in the top5... I'd rather have an extended Sam Hauser

 

[Jimbodandy]

my recollection of the Jaylen Brown draft was a fair amount of interest in Kris Dunn...woof woof

Don't leave out the Bender-stans. Dunn, Bender, Hield, and Murray were the other guys in the mix at #3 besides Jaylen. I think that all of them had their advocates here and elsewhere.

 

[jmcc5400]

Don't leave out the Bender-stans. Dunn, Bender, Hield, and Murray were the other guys in the mix at #3 besides Jaylen. I think that all of them had their advocates here and elsewhere.

Lots of Bender-stans. Fun walk down memory lane: https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/your-preferred-celtic-target-at-3.14027/

 

[ManicCompression]

Lots of Bender-stans. Fun walk down memory lane: https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/your-preferred-celtic-target-at-3.14027/

Did not expect the “trade it for Jahlil Okafor” discussion at all…

 

[benhogan]

Lots of Bender-stans. Fun walk down memory lane: https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/your-preferred-celtic-target-at-3.14027/

Ha, entertaining. Thanks for posting.

The Cellar and regular posters are excellent all season long until the draft comes along.
I guess it's understandable that we struggle with 19-year-old player assessment

Credit to @nighthob @DannyDarwinism who do a lot of video work & have added insight over the years

 

[Montana Fan]

Any opinions on Chris Spatola’s college hoops knowledge? He was promoting Clingan as the most sensible #1 pick yesterday. Coachable, passes, defends and has a developable 3 point shot. His opinion was that once Clingan got used to Edey’s size, that he slowed him greatly in the second half of the championship game. He thinks Clingan can stand his ground in the post in the NBA and will be effective at rim protection. He talked about a number of other guys and was focused on strength, shooting, driving, defending, health and coachability. He sounded real sharp but the Clingan thing had me wondering about his evaluation skills.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Lots of Bender-stans. Fun walk down memory lane: https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/your-preferred-celtic-target-at-3.14027/

I wanted Bender, Brown 2nd (or trading for Jimmy Butler)... hated Okafor, and Hield. Also wasn't a fan of Dunn.
Bender tricked me, thought he was gonna be Porzingis-like.

 

[JCizzle]

Any opinions on Chris Spatola’s college hoops knowledge? He was promoting Clingan as the most sensible #1 pick yesterday. Coachable, passes, defends and has a developable 3 point shot. His opinion was that once Clingan got used to Edey’s size, that he slowed him greatly in the second half of the championship game. He thinks Clingan can stand his ground in the post in the NBA and will be effective at rim protection. He talked about a number of other guys and was focused on strength, shooting, driving, defending, health and coachability. He sounded real sharp but the Clingan thing had me wondering about his evaluation skills.

No opinion at all, but it's kinda funny how rosy people can be about prospects in the leadup to the draft. I'm sure Clingan will be a fine player for who he is, but his stat profile doesn't scream to me like his 3 point shot is developable. As far as I can tell, he's taken nine 3PA in his college career and is a pretty bad FT shooter. Who knows though, maybe his form is there or something and will translate.

 

[brendan f]

One guy that's interesting to me is Jonathan Mogbo. Seems to be projected as a 2nd but I could see him as a 1st. Pretty good all around player--good passer for a bigger guy, strong on defense. Problem is he has no ability to shoot. Late bloomer who is 6"7 but apparently was a 5"9 guard coming out of high school.

If he works on his shot you could see the vision for him as a 5 out guy who can guard multiple positions. Would be a good get at 30 and a scheme fit but my guess is he goes earlier.

 

[Eric Fernsten's Disco Mustache]

The Cellar and regular posters are excellent all season long until the draft comes along. I guess it's understandable that we struggle with 19-year-old player assessment

I know you mean this in jest, but I think this sort of thing is an interesting data point as part of the answer to "What things can you effectively crowdsource on the internet, and when does that not end well?"

10-15 years ago there was a lot more optimism that all sorts of questions could be effectively answered if they were taken out of the hands of a small number of content-area experts and turned over to a large group of networked, highly-interested, volunteers. As time went by it was easier to see where this works better and where it works worse.

After the Boston marathon bombing there were all these Reddit forums set up to see if they could crowd-source finding the bomber(s) before the police did. Once things were all over it became clear that almost nothing they dug into had much of any relevance or value to the case.

At the same time, Wikipedia continues to be an (inter)national treasurer, I use Waze all the time, and there are probably plenty of other examples where crowdsourcing is a great success

Back to the subject of this thread, it's not clear that groups of highly interested basketball fans on the internet do a better job of picking NBA prospects than well-run scouting department. Of course, 'well-run' is kinda carrying a lot of weight in that sentence.

 

[chilidawg]

Hollinger with a list of top 75 players, gotta love his tiers:

Best bets in a bad class
Promising teenagers
No frills college vets
Talented but I have questions
Sleepers
One super sleeper (Mogbo)
Quasi sleepers
Some Centers
Final 1st rounders
2nd rounders who might make it
Roll the dice
Old guys
I do not get it
Stash picks
2 ways

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5578790/2024/06/25/nba-draft-prospects-hollinger-2024/

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I know you mean this in jest, but I think this sort of thing is an interesting data point as part of the answer to "What things can you effectively crowdsource on the internet, and when does that not end well?"

10-15 years ago there was a lot more optimism that all sorts of questions could be effectively answered if they were taken out of the hands of a small number of content-area experts and turned over to a large group of networked, highly-interested, volunteers. As time went by it was easier to see where this works better and where it works worse.

After the Boston marathon bombing there were all these Reddit forums set up to see if they could crowd-source finding the bomber(s) before the police did. Once things were all over it became clear that almost nothing they dug into had much of any relevance or value to the case.

At the same time, Wikipedia continues to be an (inter)national treasurer, I use Waze all the time, and there are probably plenty of other examples where crowdsourcing is a great success

Back to the subject of this thread, it's not clear that groups of highly interested basketball fans on the internet do a better job of picking NBA prospects than well-run scouting department. Of course, 'well-run' is kinda carrying a lot of weight in that sentence.

Well here's how the board did on this pick:

Bender 46.7%
Dunn 17.5%
Murray 12.5%
Hield 10%
Chriss 9/2%
Jaylen 4.2%

Yikes!

 

[slamminsammya]

I know you mean this in jest, but I think this sort of thing is an interesting data point as part of the answer to "What things can you effectively crowdsource on the internet, and when does that not end well?"

10-15 years ago there was a lot more optimism that all sorts of questions could be effectively answered if they were taken out of the hands of a small number of content-area experts and turned over to a large group of networked, highly-interested, volunteers. As time went by it was easier to see where this works better and where it works worse.

After the Boston marathon bombing there were all these Reddit forums set up to see if they could crowd-source finding the bomber(s) before the police did. Once things were all over it became clear that almost nothing they dug into had much of any relevance or value to the case.

At the same time, Wikipedia continues to be an (inter)national treasurer, I use Waze all the time, and there are probably plenty of other examples where crowdsourcing is a great success

Back to the subject of this thread, it's not clear that groups of highly interested basketball fans on the internet do a better job of picking NBA prospects than well-run scouting department. Of course, 'well-run' is kinda carrying a lot of weight in that sentence.

my understanding of the wisdom of the crowds effect is that it usually works as long as there is an absence of anchoring common to the crowd. good luck getting random joes to opine on nba draft prospects without having some prior shared anchoring from expert consensus.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Well here's how the board did on this pick:

Bender 46.7%
Dunn 17.5%
Murray 12.5%
Hield 10%
Chriss 9/2%
Jaylen 4.2%

Yikes!

My recollection of Bender was a debate we had on whether Bol Bol would have a greater impact than him. That isn’t a compliment to either player.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

My recollection of Bender was a debate we had on whether Bol Bol would have a greater impact than him. That isn’t a compliment to either player.

Yeah, I was a "take a shot on Bol Bol" camp and while he certainly hasn't been much, he's well above what you'd expect for pick slot....and better than Bender!

 

[Cellar-Door]

My guess is the Celtics trade down, Brad talking about how nobody at 30 is going to impact this team next year makes me think he's looking to move down/out. Not sure they want to spend basically $9M on tax for #30 in a weak draft. I think it's going to be a trade down.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

My guess is the Celtics trade down, Brad talking about how nobody at 30 is going to impact this team next year makes me think he's looking to move down/out. Not sure they want to spend basically $9M on tax for #30 in a weak draft. I think it's going to be a trade down.

They would still be paying a second rounder though. In todays market those guys get guarantees now. I would expect #30 to be someone that you don’t lock up this summer so a trade ahead for a future #1, couple #2’s or a stash would seem to be more likely to me.

 

[astrozombie]

My guess is the Celtics trade down, Brad talking about how nobody at 30 is going to impact this team next year makes me think he's looking to move down/out. Not sure they want to spend basically $9M on tax for #30 in a weak draft. I think it's going to be a trade down.

I would love to see the C's trade down, but my guess is there won't be any takers. As you mentioned, this is a pretty weak draft class on paper and I can't imagine any team being enamored of the prospects at #30 enough to trade up to get them. Brad works crazy magic and I hope he does it again, but I can see how he might be a little stuck here.
Assuming the Cs are stuck with a pick at 30, I hope they can get a big like Missi or Holmes.

 

[pjheff]

As you mentioned, this is a pretty weak draft class on paper and I can't imagine any team being enamored of the prospects at #30 enough to trade up to get them.

This is regarded as a pretty weak draft class because of the lack of franchise players at the top of the first round. That doesn’t mean contributing players can’t and won’t be found where the C’s pick.

 

[Devizier]

Well here's how the board did on this pick:

Bender 46.7%
Dunn 17.5%
Murray 12.5%
Hield 10%
Chriss 9/2%
Jaylen 4.2%

Yikes!

I loved me Jamal Murray, but Ainge did better.

 

[Justthetippett]

I would love to see the C's trade down, but my guess is there won't be any takers. As you mentioned, this is a pretty weak draft class on paper and I can't imagine any team being enamored of the prospects at #30 enough to trade up to get them. Brad works crazy magic and I hope he does it again, but I can see how he might be a little stuck here.
Assuming the Cs are stuck with a pick at 30, I hope they can get a big like Missi or Holmes.

I agree they will try and there may be a bidder. It doesn't make sense for the Cs to lock up a guy on 3y/9m, but for a lot of franchises that is exactly what they are looking for in terms of young talent. I just hope they do take a few swings in R2 on guys that could develop in Maine and be there for 2025 or whatever when Hauser likely leaves, Al retires, etc. We can ride this core for a few years but if we want a 6-8 year run while the Jays are at the top of their games, Cs will need to draft and develop at least some pieces.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I loved me Jamal Murray, but Ainge did better.

I was a Murray guy as well.

 

[Cellar-Door]

They would still be paying a second rounder though. In todays market those guys get guarantees now. I would expect #30 to be someone that you don’t lock up this summer so a trade ahead for a future #1, couple #2’s or a stash would seem to be more likely to me.

less than half as much money in cap though and then the cascading tax. Probably the difference between 9-10M and 4.5M.

 

[BigMike]

I would love to see the C's trade down, but my guess is there won't be any takers. As you mentioned, this is a pretty weak draft class on paper and I can't imagine any team being enamored of the prospects at #30 enough to trade up to get them. Brad works crazy magic and I hope he does it again, but I can see how he might be a little stuck here.
Assuming the Cs are stuck with a pick at 30, I hope they can get a big like Missi or Holmes.

They can probably find a taker because there are some teams who have multiple seconds and might just not want all the rookies.

This is definitely a draft where you could end up with a guy chosen in the second round being considered a top 5 or top 10 player from the draft in a couple years, but as always there will be a lot of guys chosen in the 20s and later, who never make an impact at the NBA level

 

[Auger34]

Well here's how the board did on this pick:

Bender 46.7%
Dunn 17.5%
Murray 12.5%
Hield 10%
Chriss 9/2%
Jaylen 4.2%

Yikes!

I read through that whole thread and I was surprised at how measured I was.

I voted for Dunn but I really wanted them to trade that 3rd pick for Jimmy Butler (rumors were that Chicago really wanted Dunn).

I also had Murray above Brown but Brown was 3rd on my "board".

I was completely out on Bender....

Luckily Danny is smarter than us all!

 

[Jimbodandy]

This is regarded as a pretty weak draft class because of the lack of franchise players at the top of the first round. That doesn’t mean contributing players can’t and won’t be found where the C’s pick.

Exactly. And there are lots of teams looking for quality players that might be in love with a particular guy at 30 (like Memphis was with Desmond Bane). Not every team has their rotation locked down and is staring at a gigantic tax bill.

I was a Murray guy as well.

It was either Murray or Brown for me. Wasn't sold on Bender, Hield, Dunn. Willing to admit that I was in the "can we trade this pick for an impact player right now" camp though.

I had long arguments on a different forum about how Bender and Dunn weren't going to make it and how you don't spend the #3 pick on the next Kyle Korver.

 

[RoDaddy]

I'll admit, I could be talked into drafting Bronny just to see how much you could extract from Klutch and the Lakers front office to trade him to LA before the start of training camp

Apologies for reposting (which I've never done before) from the below "Cracking the top 8" thread but it is most relevant for this thread whether or not anyone agrees with the suggestion:

"How about picking Bronny in the 2nd round as a way of possibly getting soon to op-out and become a free agent Lebron? The opt-out is supposedly a formality with Lebron expected to resign with the Lakers but playing on the same team with his son would probably be a huge enticement. And Lebron is very rich (a billionaire) so they could maybe get him cheap for a few years. "

 

[nattysez]

Apologies for reposting (which I've never done before) from the below "Cracking the top 8" thread but it is most relevant for this thread whether or not anyone agrees:

"How about picking Bronny in the 2nd round as a way of possibly getting soon to op-out and become a free agent Lebron? The opt-out is supposedly a formality with Lebron expected to resign with the Lakers but playing on the same team with his son would probably be a huge enticement. And Lebron is very rich (a billionaire) so they could maybe get him cheap for a few years. "

My morning fever dream: Phoenix drafts Bronny, trades KD to LAL as part of an LBJ sign and trade.

 

[BigMike]

My morning fever dream: Phoenix drafts Bronny, trades KD to LAL as part of an LBJ sign and trade.

And both teams struggle to try and get into the final playing spot in the West.

The league should just say no if someone tries to draft Bronnie, it is just laughable. Even at the Lakers 2nd round pick he won't be one the top 30 players available

 

[the moops]

And both teams struggle to try and get into the final playing spot in the West.

The league should just say no if someone tries to draft Bronnie, it is just laughable. Even at the Lakers 2nd round pick he won't be one the top 30 players available

I think this is way too harsh of a take. He is not a first rounder but he definitely deserves to be drafted.

 

[Kliq]

KOC and J. Kyle Mann were on Simmons' pod today and they really ripped Alexandre Sarr apart, to the degree it seems hard to believe he has as high draft value as he does. KOC recapped his recent history, which included him backing out of playing at Real Madrid, going to the Overtime Elite league, and instead of going to play for the Ignite or play competitive college ball, he went to Australia to be a bench player. Basically he opted out of the most challenging route where he would have the spotlight on him at every turn. Then Mann talked about how he only shot 48% at the rim, an almost impossible number for a seven footer, and also has bad shooting mechanics. They made it seem like if Sarr had played college ball, or played really competitive ball in Europe, he would have little draft value and by avoiding the spotlight, he's been able to hide his weaknesses, which have enhanced his draft stock.

 

[JCizzle]

KOC and J. Kyle Mann were on Simmons' pod today and they really ripped Alexandre Sarr apart, to the degree it seems hard to believe he has as high draft value as he does. KOC recapped his recent history, which included him backing out of playing at Real Madrid, going to the Overtime Elite league, and instead of going to play for the Ignite or play competitive college ball, he went to Australia to be a bench player. Basically he opted out of the most challenging route where he would have the spotlight on him at every turn. Then Mann talked about how he only shot 48% at the rim, an almost impossible number for a seven footer, and also has bad shooting mechanics. They made it seem like if Sarr had played college ball, or played really competitive ball in Europe, he would have little draft value and by avoiding the spotlight, he's been able to hide his weaknesses, which have enhanced his draft stock.

I think this is way too harsh of a take. He is not a first rounder but he definitely deserves to be drafted.

Vecenie and Russillo did a similar breakdown on Bronny recently. Initially I was OK with the concept of him as a lottery ticket, but they convinced me that the only reason he'll be drafted is because of his name. Based on their discussion, there's legitimately no comp for a player like Bronny to be drafted, period.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Vecenie and Russillo did a similar breakdown on Bronny recently. Initially I was OK with the concept of him as a lottery ticket, but they convinced me that the only reason he'll be drafted is because of his name. Based on their discussion, there's legitimately no comp for a player like Bronny to be drafted, period.

Nbadraft.net has a comp of Jeremy Pargo for Bronny. Had to look that guy up. Scored 416 points in the league.

 

[Auger34]

I think this is way too harsh of a take. He is not a first rounder but he definitely deserves to be drafted.

Agreed.

I think it's now got to the point where his name is actively working against him (at least for the general public)

If he was Brian James, then he's talked about as a mid 2nd round pick and no one really cares.

 

[Devizier]

I was out on Bender the moment I learned that his vertical was pretty close to what mine was at the same age. That portends really badly for any professional athlete.

 

[Eric Fernsten's Disco Mustache]

Apologies for reposting (which I've never done before) from the below "Cracking the top 8" thread but it is most relevant for this thread whether or not anyone agrees with the suggestion:

"How about picking Bronny in the 2nd round as a way of possibly getting soon to op-out and become a free agent Lebron? The opt-out is supposedly a formality with Lebron expected to resign with the Lakers but playing on the same team with his son would probably be a huge enticement. And Lebron is very rich (a billionaire) so they could maybe get him cheap for a few years. "

FWIW, and only since you quoted my earlier thought, I'm a hard 'no' on trying to add LeBron.

There's little reason to think he'd want to come to Boston, and too much potential to disrupt the locker room and the team's current pecking order. I can't imagine he'd want to come off the bench, nor be a small-ball 5. Plus, I *really* can't imagine he'd take a vet minimum deal to play for a team he's hated on his whole career. He might take a discount at some point to play for Cleveland, or in LA. But not Boston

 

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And both teams struggle to try and get into the final playing spot in the West.

The league should just say no if someone tries to draft Bronnie, it is just laughable. Even at the Lakers 2nd round pick he won't be one the top 30 players available

This kid is a lot better than people think in the right system. He never had a chance last year. It’s enough of a transition going from HS to college as a freshman now imagine sitting out for 4 months after a cardiac issue then thrown into the games without a preseason on a dysfunctional team.