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Rafaela has a nice floor too, since his defense is a carrying tool. I'd honestly be surprised if he moves anywhere given our defensive issues and lack of RH bats. Splits obviously matter, but you can't run out lineups with 8 LHB.
Story, Urias, and Rafaela could collectively provide the right-handed power we've all been craving. Story and Urias and Rafaela all have 20+ home run potential in their bats. Story has been almost comically bad since coming back, and Urias hasn't been just below average offensively. It would be really nice to see the two of them go on a tear at the end of the year. Would make me feel much better about next season.
 

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Top of the rotation is also relative too. The "best" SP the Baltimore Orioles have right now is Kyle Bradish - the daylight between a Bello and a Bradish this year isn't that wide. The difference is the Orioles have five guys with 100+ IP - three of them over 145, all of them with an ERA under 5. Tampa's top of the rotation is a guy the Sox tried to sign and missed out on (Eflin) who is a 3.5 ERA guy with a lot of innings. Most of the contenders are winning not because they have a true ace but because they can run out #2 and #3 caliber guys at least four out of every five days and get 6 innings out of them. Even a team like the Dodgers, who are running ramshod in their division, they have Kershaw pitching like an ace on a hard management limit, Bobby Miller is their only other SP below a 4.5 ERA.

A true-blue, top of the rotation ace would be great - life is definitely a lot easier when you can put a Gerrit Cole out there once every five days, but most of the successful teams we have right now are successful because they keep 3-5 guys healthy who can put up solidly average to above average numbers over three digit inning counts, and you rely on your bullpen for those higher leverage moment.s
Glasnow is the Rays best pitcher. He has the lowest xFIP in baseball by a decent margin. Eflin is 6th in the majors in xFIP, but is nearly half a run higher than Glasnow. Tampa is the only team in baseball with 2 pitchers in the top 16 in baseball.
The Rays have 3 other pitchers who were better than Efflin but are on the DL.
 

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Yeah, people underrate Rafaela's power. His hands are astonishingly quick to the ball. 21 home runs last year across two levels in 500 at-bats, and 22 in another 500 at-bats this year. He's not disciplined, but he's got pop. In a line-up with plenty of other patient guys, he can probably survive on the pop alone.

I think the obvious player to move on from, the more I think about it, is Duran. Exceptional season, cost-controlled, but he's weak defensively, coasted on an astronomical BABIP this year that he's unlikely to replicate (though it's not impossible), and Rafaela is a superlative outfielder on a team that needs good defense.
There is a move to make from the outfield but I would miss Duran on the basepaths, the speed wreaked havoc.

Maybe I can't trust my eyes here, the SB aren't astronomical, so in a lineup with Casas and JT and Yoshida and Devers in the middle maybe it was just an oasis.
 

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Yeah, people underrate Rafaela's power. His hands are astonishingly quick to the ball. 21 home runs last year across two levels in 500 at-bats, and 22 in another 500 at-bats this year. He's not disciplined, but he's got pop. In a line-up with plenty of other patient guys, he can probably survive on the pop alone.

I think the obvious player to move on from, the more I think about it, is Duran. Exceptional season, cost-controlled, but he's weak defensively, coasted on an astronomical BABIP this year that he's unlikely to replicate (though it's not impossible), and Rafaela is a superlative outfielder on a team that needs good defense.
Yeah, I’ve been on the sell high on Duran bandwagon for a while. He likely has some legit trade value, and Rafaela, while he doesn’t have Duran’s speed, is a right handed bat and plays much, much better defense.
 

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The only position player need in 2024 is a RH slugger, preferably a 1B/3B. If the Sox don’t re-sign Turner and Dalbec’s not the answer (I don’t think he is) then who?
 

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The only position player need in 2024 is a RH slugger, preferably a 1B/3B. If the Sox don’t re-sign Turner and Dalbec’s not the answer (I don’t think he is) then who?
Not sure why it would be preferable that he be a 1B/3B. At least not if you want someone who's going to be a regular in the lineup. If the idea is to balance the regular lineup, a RHH outfielder makes a lot more sense. If that has to be paired with trading Duran or Verdugo, or making Yoshida a full time DH, so be it. Teoscar Hernandez might be an attractive candidate in that regard, though that would do nothing to improve the defense.
 

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There was a stat on the NESN broadcast last night that said something along the lines of: The Red Sox are 33-14 when the starter goes at least 6 innings.

Nothing new, here but it brought to mind:
- As of last night, the Sox had played 151 games
- Starters had gone 6 innings in 47 of those games

Would it be possible to get that number closer to 100 games of 6 inning starts rather than ~50?

I love Ohtani as much as the next person, but this team needs to add at least 2 actual starting pitchers, and that needs to be the focus.
 

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List of players I would be surprised to not see back next year:

Bello
Casas
Devers
Refsnyder (because he's useful enough to make the roster nut not so much to be in a trade).

That's really it. Even Story, I could see them eating a chunk of his deal while it's still possible to imagine him being a 100 OPS+ player (which may be the case).
 

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List of players I would be surprised to not see back next year:

Bello
Casas
Devers
Refsnyder (because he's useful enough to make the roster nut not so much to be in a trade).

That's really it. Even Story, I could see them eating a chunk of his deal while it's still possible to imagine him being a 100 OPS+ player (which may be the case).
Mostly agree, but I’d include Wong.

He’s been the 2nd best catcher in the division to Rutschmann (bWAR), though not sure where he ranks overall but I’d assume as a 2.1bWAR catcher pretty decently. He’s also under control for 5 more seasons and still dirt cheap the next couple of years.

Unless you’re absolutely blown away by an offer (in which case you move anyone), I can’t see a reasonable scenario where he isn’t back and penciled in as the starting catcher.

Everyone else, totally agree should be at worst “on the table.” This is at the MLB and minor league level, but with different returns obviously expected (for example, no chance I‘d deal Mayer for one year of Soto, but a 1,000,000% chance I would for 5 of Kirby; not that Seattle would).
 

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Mostly agree, but I’d include Wong.

He’s been the 2nd best catcher in the division to Rutschmann (bWAR), though not sure where he ranks overall but I’d assume as a 2.1bWAR catcher pretty decently. He’s also under control for 5 more seasons and still dirt cheap the next couple of years.

Unless you’re absolutely blown away by an offer (in which case you move anyone), I can’t see a reasonable scenario where he isn’t back and penciled in as the starting catcher.

Everyone else, totally agree should be at worst “on the table.” This is at the MLB and minor league level, but with different returns obviously expected (for example, no chance I‘d deal Mayer for one year of Soto, but a 1,000,000% chance I would for 5 of Kirby; not that Seattle would).
Wong is 13th among catchers in MLB in bWAR. Top five are Moreno (3.9), Murphy (3.7), Smith (3.7), Rutschman (3.6), and Willson Contreras (3.4).
 

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List of players I would be surprised to not see back next year:

Bello
Casas
Devers
Refsnyder (because he's useful enough to make the roster nut not so much to be in a trade).

That's really it. Even Story, I could see them eating a chunk of his deal while it's still possible to imagine him being a 100 OPS+ player (which may be the case).
I’d be shocked if Story isn’t back. At very least, you’re almost guaranteed plus defense at a critical position. And with a normal offseason/ST, there is a legit chance that he’s at least an average hitter for the position. After this year’s fiasco at short, I don’t see them risking it again.
 

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Wong is 13th among catchers in MLB in bWAR. Top five are Moreno (3.9), Murphy (3.7), Smith (3.7), Rutschman (3.6), and Willson Contreras (3.4).
Thanks for this.

Point remains with so many holes in the rotation and pieces that don’t exactly fit perfectly everywhere else, I really don’t see a(n ever so slightly) top half catcher being moved when he isn‘t even going to be arb eligible until the 2026 season.

If he’s the sticking point in landing a clear cut ace with term or getting Julio Rodriguez, of course he’s gone. But I bet Teel is more likely to be a major piece than Wong in that regard, so it makes no real sense to focus energy on doing something else at the position.
 

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Wong is miscast as a starter given his mediocre bat and poor framing/blocking numbers, but he's an ideal backup given his salary and how much team control is left, and that's presumably what he'll become when Teel is ready to join the big club, fingers crossed. I think a cheap veteran who can split the load with him (I get the sense that Wong wore down over the course of the season thanks to McGuire's absence) and who's more defensively sound is probably the play this offseason at the position; I doubt catcher is a position that will be a target for change unless Teel goes bust.
 

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‘24 OF has Verdugo, Abreu, Duran, Cedanne, Yoshida all as potential above-average at worst starters and Refsnyder as part-time guy.
Cedanne could be just an IF’er and excluded from this group but I think he’s likely to be a super platoon guy.
Yoshida could be exclusively a DH (rare JDM type OF appearance).
That leaves a potential full time starting OF of Abreu in LF/CF, Duran in CF/LF and Verdugo in RF.

Im not necessarily advocating for this as I think there’s depth here to use in a trade for SP but there’s a “core” there in that group for ‘24.

Im leaning towards leveraging Duran in a trade with Yorke to bring back a good controllable SP and going with:

Abreu/Yoshida- LF
Abreu/Cedanne- CF
Verdugo-RF
And hoping Roman can make a jump from AA-AAA in ‘24 and take over RF in ‘25.
 

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‘24 OF has Verdugo, Abreu, Duran, Cedanne, Yoshida all as potential above-average at worst starters and Refsnyder as part-time guy.
Cedanne could be just an IF’er and excluded from this group but I think he’s likely to be a super platoon guy.
Yoshida could be exclusively a DH (rare JDM type OF appearance).
That leaves a potential full time starting OF of Abreu in LF/CF, Duran in CF/LF and Verdugo in RF.

Im not necessarily advocating for this as I think there’s depth here to use in a trade for SP but there’s a “core” there in that group for ‘24.

Im leaning towards leveraging Duran in a trade with Yorke to bring back a good controllable SP and going with:

Abreu/Yoshida- LF
Abreu/Cedanne- CF
Verdugo-RF
And hoping Roman can make a jump from AA-AAA in ‘24 and take over RF in ‘25.
I would think Abreu is a great sell high asset. The numbers look great but a .500 BAbip in 62 plate appearances. The league will adjust.

Maybe the Marlins would be interested ?

I think Duran and Abreu are absolutely on the table.
 

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I feel like there should be a pinned post about how selling high based on overperformance drive by BABIP is not really a thing anymore.

There are no dumb teams in baseball.

Any and all of these potentially overvalued assets have been scouted by literally every team in baseball. Teams aren't looking at triple slash lines without context. For an example of this, we need look no further than Boston's own farm system, where Roman Antony was breaking into top 100 lists despite an OPS in the low .700s in A ball this past season. Conversely, Bobby Dalbec was untradable despite putting up Bondsian slugging numbers in AAA.

Teams may very well value Duran or Abreu more than others. Scouting and player evaluation is not an exact science.However, it feels like we're really selling the rest of the league short in assuming they can't find the BABIP line on Wily Abreu's FanGraphs page.

Anyway, RE Abreu, his savant page features a lot of red. I think he's clearly good enough to receive a serious look next year by either Boston or someone else. I don't believe he's a middle-of-the-order bat, but I think he's very likely to put up offensive numbers similar to that of a Verdugo.

If some team, in their evaluation of him, thinks he's a middle-order of the bat, and the Sox brass does not, they should trade him. But I sincerely doubt his BABIP in a small sample is going to be what informs either opinion.
 
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I feel like there should be a pinned post about how selling high based on overperformance drive by BABIP is not really a thing anymore.

There are no dumb teams in baseball.

Any and all of these potentially overvalued assets have been scouted by literally every team in baseball. Teams aren't looking at triple slash lines without context. For an example of this, we need look no further than Boston's own farm system, where Roman Antony was breaking into top 100 lists despite an OPS in the low .700s in A ball this past season. Conversely, Bobby Dalbec was untradable despite putting up Bondsian slugging numbers in AAA.

Teams may very well value Duran or Abreu more than others. Scouting and player evaluation is not an exact science.However, it feels like we're really selling the rest of the league short in assuming they can't find the BABIP line on Wily Abreu's FanGraphs page.
Thanks for the lesson.

But there was a time Dalbec had value and at present Duran, Abreu and Anthony might be at their peak value.
 

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You're welcome!

I do agree with your position that holding on to assets too long is a bad thing. Boston would have been better off trading Dalbec before he'd been a lousy MLB player for close to 1,000 PAs. People knew there was significant flame-out risk due to his contact issues, but there was upside there (probably still)

I generally have defended Bloom. I think he inherited a very difficult situation. However, I think that it is also fair to say that they've been very wrong about their internal evaluations of several important players. Dalbec, Franchy Cordero, and Houck and Whitlock as SPs being the most notable.

All those guys (minus Cordero) probably had more value before they failed in their current roles. Some of them could still be good MLB players (I love both Whitlock and Houck as relievers) but their present value is lower than what they once were and yeah, that's a missed opportunity.
 

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Thanks for the lesson.

But there was a time Dalbec had value and at present Duran, Abreu and Anthony might be at their peak value.
Prospects do flame out, it's true. I think Bloom and co probably saw a lot of potential in Dalbec if he could just cut his K's by 5 or 6% (which he still might do! who knows!) and it didn't happen.

I think the Sox should obviously explore the market for these guys, but the other thing is that part of the advantage of having a bunch of cost-controlled young guys is you don't have necessarily have to trade them, you can just buy pitching.

I don't think anyone wants us to go out and pay anyone in their 30's for ten years/200 million, but I'll be interested to see if the new FO tries for a Lackey deal or does pull off a Beckett-type deal (and looking at that deal, you don't really regret it for the World Series, but maybe you look at Hanley/Anibal Sanchez's career and wonder if it was the 'correct' move). Regardless, they obviously have a glut of cost-controlled outfielders, and that seems primed to exploit.

My sense is that Abreu is a distinctly more promising prospect than Dalbec because (1) he's only striking out about 26% of the time (2) he's already walking 11% of the time, which would put him second or third on the team behind Casas/Urias and (3) the pop is very real.

We're talking about a guy with a 48% HH% in his time so far in the big leagues and a LD% of 25, hitting to all fields. It's a very small sample size, but his HH% would be second on the team behind only Devers. On top of that, he doesn't have the pedigree Rafaela has, so he might not be as enticing to other teams in a trade for pitching. I think the safe move is keep him around and see if he blossoms next to Devers and Casas. I've said this before but his wrc+ is equivalent to Casas's last year in AAA -- I know people are skeptical of the Easter League this year, but when I say equivalent I mean equivalent.

With Duvall and Turner likely moving on, they'll need the offense, and I think he'll provide it.

He's been mediocre in the field, but he's been asked to play a lot of center field, which I don't think is really fair to him. Parking him in left field would be ideal, I think, with Masa at DH.
 

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Dalbec was the starting 1B to open the season last year. You can argue the wisdom of that, but at that point he had 33 career HR and an OPS+ of 114 in 545 career PA. And he filled a spot for virtually no money on a team with many other holes to fill and limited budget space. And then he sucked, at which point his value plummeted. I'm not sure when exactly they should have dealt him.
 

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Dalbec was the starting 1B to open the season last year. You can argue the wisdom of that, but at that point he had 33 career HR and an OPS+ of 114 in 545 career PA. And he filled a spot for virtually no money on a team with many other holes to fill and limited budget space. And then he sucked, at which point his value plummeted. I'm not sure when exactly they should have dealt him.
Neither am I. Obviously there were some warning signs. The strikeout rate was hysterically high, and he's never hit right-handed pitching with any effectiveness.

None of us can know what deals were on the table or when he should have been dealt. But his trade value is certainly lower than it was, that seems fair enough to say.
 

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Dalbec was the starting 1B to open the season last year. You can argue the wisdom of that, but at that point he had 33 career HR and an OPS+ of 114 in 545 career PA. And he filled a spot for virtually no money on a team with many other holes to fill and limited budget space. And then he sucked, at which point his value plummeted. I'm not sure when exactly they should have dealt him.
Also, they had no 1B depth in the system beyond Casas, who was the heir-apparent and a complimentary LH/RH bat with Dalbec. But Casas wasn't expected in early 2022 - it was mid-2022 at earliest. In fact, Dalbec, if he hit, could have transitioned into the role Turner held this year. DH and RHH backup to 1B and 3B.

What's not very apparent to me is why you keep Dalbec at AAA for the whole of 2023, unless you think you can fix his swing.

But if Casas crashed and burned, you've pretty much already decided that Dalbec (as is) has no role on the ML club. But (as is) he's clearly able to hit ML pitching to some extent - ergo, he'd have been useful for somebody.
 

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Also, they had no 1B depth in the system beyond Casas, who was the heir-apparent and a complimentary LH/RH bat with Dalbec. But Casas wasn't expected in early 2022 - it was mid-2022 at earliest. In fact, Dalbec, if he hit, could have transitioned into the role Turner held this year. DH and RHH backup to 1B and 3B.

What's not very apparent to me is why you keep Dalbec at AAA for the whole of 2023, unless you think you can fix his swing.

But if Casas crashed and burned, you've pretty much already decided that Dalbec (as is) has no role on the ML club. But (as is) he's clearly able to hit ML pitching to some extent - ergo, he'd have been useful for somebody.
I guess the trade return at that point was so low that he was more valuable as a AAA depth piece in case of injury?

But yes, at this point he's not worth a 40 man spot, it's time to move on.
 

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But yes, at this point he's not worth a 40 man spot, it's time to move on.
If Turner leaves and then Casas gets hurt next spring, who is the 1B? (Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious)
 

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If Turner leaves and then Casas gets hurt next spring, who is the 1B? (Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious)
I think they'd have to pick up so spring training flotsam, depending on the extent of the hypothetical Casas injury. Dalbec is the insurance, but the this is all presuming he is gone.
 

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If Turner leaves and then Casas gets hurt next spring, who is the 1B? (Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious)
Fair question, but also one that they have 6 months to answer if it isn't going to be Dalbec. Basically, there really isn't anyone else currently in the organization that they can confidently consider as major league depth at 1B for next season. Niko Kavadas is the closest they've got. Plenty of pop and seems to have a discerning eye, but unknown if it will translate against big league pitching.
 

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I think they'd have to pick up so spring training flotsam, depending on the extent of the hypothetical Casas injury. Dalbec is the insurance, but the this is all presuming he is gone.
Right, which is why IMO he actually is worth a 40 man spot, especially since he has options still.
 

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Right, which is why IMO he actually is worth a 40 man spot, especially since he has options still.
Unless they pick up an alternative in an offseason deal, you're right. But I like Dalbec and agree that they should keep him on the 40.
 

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Fair question, but also one that they have 6 months to answer if it isn't going to be Dalbec. Basically, there really isn't anyone else currently in the organization that they can confidently consider as major league depth at 1B for next season. Niko Kavadas is the closest they've got. Plenty of pop and seems to have a discerning eye, but unknown if it will translate against big league pitching.
Niko is a younger, less athletic, lefty Dalbec.
 

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Stephen Scott is as likely to be 1b depth as Kavadas, and I think far more likely to have a big league career. Was ripping the cover off the ball at AAA after his promotion and then went into an extended slump. Maybe some bad BABIP luck - a .234 BABIP is low, even for him. 26 years old, can also catch (poorly, as far as I can tell).

Doesn't really seem to be considered a "prospect" but there's more stuff to like in his profile than in Kavadas's, including a relatively low K rate, good-to-great plate discipline (which raises his floor if the pop can translate but the hit tool never materializes), and positional flexibility. Of course, he's left-handed.

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It's too bad Valdez is 5'9. Of course, Scott & Kavadas are both 5'11.
 

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I guess the trade return at that point was so low that he was more valuable as a AAA depth piece in case of injury?
Possibly. Or they thought they could fix his swing. . .but he still has a 35% K rate in AAA this year. Unless it plunged in later months, this is still the same Dalbec.

Right, which is why IMO he actually is worth a 40 man spot, especially since he has options still.
Absent fixing him, they have an assessment of his value. But as far as we know they didn't fix him (see above) and so his value to the club is AAAA depth at 1B. If his overall bat/1B package is that bad, I don't see why they wouldn't trade for a marginal 1B if the need arose, or stick an IF prospect with a more practical upside to their bat (Valdez?) at 1B in an emergency.

He's currently sporting (SSS) an .879 OPS - but that comes with a 48% K rate and a .636 BABIP.

He may still be enticing to someone who thinks they have a hitting coach that can work with him. But the clock is ticking on his age.
 

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If Turner leaves and then Casas gets hurt next spring, who is the 1B? (Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting someone obvious)
I expect there will be someone else on the roster with experience at 1B and 3B.

FWIW, supposedly Dalbec was told “you are auditioning for the other 29 teams“ after the trade deadline. And he appreciated the candor.
 
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Should the Sox be worried about the health of Casas going forward? Diagnosed with shoulder bursitis, shut down and no treatment plan yet.

He’s a big guy and not a great athlete. Great fun to watch hit. But does his health prevent a long term contract now? Better to go year by year?

Fake edit… Bursitis generally gets better on its own. Conservative measures, such as rest, ice and taking a pain reliever, can relieve discomfort.
 

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At almost every position there's players with near or immediate history of above-average offensive production (relative to the whole league rather than their position) . Wong/McGuire is the only exception, I think. Devers, Casas, Story, Urias, Yoshida, Duran, and Verdugo have all been players who have in recent memory given you sustained production at the plate. Two of them (Urias and Story) have seriously scuffled, albeit in limited time, this year, and both have come off major injuries. If you think those two will return to above-average production, there's some of the right-handed power you've been hoping for.

Here's the thing: of that group, only two of them have a recent history of being a plus on defense - Story and Verdugo (who as recently as the last two years was bad). Urias is, I think, the only one who we could say has been averageish for his career.

Yoshida, Casas, Devers, and Duran have all been below-average-to-very-bad.

Of the prospects who seem immediately on the cusp of being big-leaguers, Rafaela projects to be gold-glove quality (and he's flashed that in the outfield), while Abreu projects to probably be average in left and below-average in center and right (and maybe very bad in center), and Valdez stinks at 2B.

A full season of Rafaela in the outfield and Story at SS should help this team along hugely defensively. Verdugo is the only one of the position players who is coming up immediately on a payday and is also the one who we'd struggle the most to replace because of his defense. If we move on from Verdugo, that means we either have to try to slot Wilyer or Rafaela out there, barring some other move, which likely means leaving Duran in center, where he could still improve or regress. Rafaela could be a 3-4 win player just on his defense next year, and I expect them to put him out there to sink or swim. Abreu I think could be a 2-3 win player as soon as next year as well, which makes Verdugo and Yoshida more or less expendable.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them send two of Refsnyder, Duran, Yoshida, or Verdugo off in order to make room for Wilyer/Ceddane and another right-handed bat. Duran fits best in left field and his tools are enchanting, but I don't see him sustaining his performance. On the other hand, he hits the ball hard and has got speed, which almost no one else on the team has. Yoshida could stay in LF next year or slot in at DH with a smattering of LF play. I'm interested to see how he hits next year after adjusting to playing a full season but don't think his hitting is good enough for DH or to play him in left. Verdugo is dropping in at a wrc+ of 102 again, and while his defense is above-average, he's about to get expensive. This isn't a referendum on any of these guys, just to say that each of them has their warts and the team needs superlative players and currently doesn't have any in the outfield.

I would be kind of shocked if they shipped off Story, unless there's someone else they're targeting, as his value couldn't be lower, and if he stays on the field and gives you a wrc+ of 100, that's probably a 4 win player. Ditto for Urias - he's going to compete for the 2B job and probably win it because he can play defense and Valdez can't. Those two guys have given you bWAR seasons north of 3 (in Urias case) and 4 (in Story's case) which would have made them two of the best players on the Red Sox if they'd been healthy this year.

Buying a first baseman or third baseman and moving Casas or Devers to DH is another option, of course, and that would probably also mean moving on from Yoshida, since he wouldn't be able to DH anymore.
 

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I expect there will be someone else on the roster with experience at 1B and 3B.
Reyes should provide the 3B experience.

Or put it this way: Of the thirteen non-pitcher slots on the roster, 12 are pretty clearcut (barring trades)
C: Wong
1B: Casas
2B: Urias/Valdez
3B: Devers
SS: Story
DH/OF: Yoshida
OF: Duran
OF: Rafaela
OF: Verdugo
Bench C: McGuire
Bench IF: Reyes
Bench OF: Refsnyder

This leaves one more slot for a 1B/PH, who will probably need to be a RH bat. Justin Turner would be great, but unless one of the OFs get traded I think most of the available $ will be needed to sign pitchers.
 

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Reyes should provide the 3B experience.

Or put it this way: Of the thirteen non-pitcher slots on the roster, 12 are pretty clearcut (barring trades)
C: Wong
1B: Casas
2B: Urias/Valdez
3B: Devers
SS: Story
DH/OF: Yoshida
OF: Duran
OF: Rafaela
OF: Verdugo
Bench C: McGuire
Bench IF: Reyes
Bench OF: Refsnyder

This leaves one more slot for a 1B/PH, who will probably need to be a RH bat. Justin Turner would be great, but unless one of the OFs get traded I think most of the available $ will be needed to sign pitchers.
Looks like Josh Donaldson has been fairly unlucky this year. Could do a lot worse than the 2022 version as a backup 1B/3B. Evan Longoria?
 

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Looks like Josh Donaldson has been fairly unlucky this year. Could do a lot worse than the 2022 version as a backup 1B/3B. Evan Longoria?
Bringing in Josh Donaldson would do wonders for Boston's already stellar reputation (fairly or unfairly) as a city that welcomes and celebrates racial diversity. He might somehow be even less desirable than Trevor Bauer (because at least Bauer pitches and is good, on top of being a world class @sshat).


It's entirely possible you (or anyone else) aren't aware of the piece of cr@p that Josh Donaldson is (I had no idea on Mike Clevinger until @JM3 cited it) but here are the links for anyone who isn't aware.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/06/02/josh-donaldson-hurt-lack-yankees-support-tim-anderson-jackie-remark

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/sport/yankees-josh-donaldson-suspended-disrespectful-remark-spt/index.html#:~:text=White Sox manager Tony La,multiple times during the game.

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/espns-jeff-passan-describes-josh-donaldson-toxicity-in-minnesota