Yeah, that's kind of where I am. I'd have been conflicted if Belichick had traded for him -- but almost entirely based on the fact that he seems like kind of a terrible person. But as a QB? He takes this Pats team, even with a bunch of #2 and #3 receivers, deep into the playoffs. Of that, I'd have little doubt.
I don't know, I have a lot of doubt over his ability to take this roster deep into the playoffs, something he hasn't done since 2020 with much better rosters in Green Bay. I just think he'd make the team better and more exciting to watch for the next two years than they'll be.
I suppose I understand that ... but notwithstanding how things worked out last year in GB, I feel like it was a lot less about his receivers and a lot more that Rodgers wanted to leave.
Underappreciated? In pretty much every single one of mainstream media influencer case I've seen, and within the thousands of hours of air time that has been dedicated to covering it this offseason, it's simply being flat out ignored in the process of pushing the much more desired buzz narrative. Same goes for that accompanying acknowledgement on a decline year Aaron Rodgers' inability to take a somewhat equivalent top-to-bottom talent level team to the playoffs last year coming out of a cupcake division. Or any deep dive trip into the Jets' 2023 season game tape that might otherwise suggest the 1-7 record down the stretch (with a lot more team sport failure points going on then simply bad QB play) was probably the much better sample size evaluation indicator at where this team truly is at this point in time then that early 6-3 run. Which other then Josh Allen having his worst game of the season consisted of wins over Jacoby Brissett, Mitch Trubisky, Skylar Thompson, broken by our new OC Russell Wilson, and decline year Aaron Rodgers himself.
As stated in my post above it starts by reading the room, and by not buying into the click hungry media's hype train that your roster is really a 40yo QB away from being a good probability bet in 2023 to jump ahead of the better teams in fairly stacked AFC. Followed then by making a legitimate attempt to bring in an OC with the aim to rebuild the offense around the reality that you simply might have to make the best of Zach Wilson potentially busting out, and there not actually being any headline grabbing QB upgrade options available to you (at a cost worth paying) in that quest to meet this supposed "with even average QB play the Jets would be a playoff team" quota.
More power to you, and in the ability to find it even if it has to be build around a mountain of delusional thinking. Like I said i get it from a strict pov that in the moment it makes the 2023 a lot more potentially interesting to watch going in.
Thanks for the generous response from a Jets fan perspective. Some of my buddies feel the same way.
Your team will be the most talked about in football next year, will get lots of prime time attention, and will probably be in most of the games it plays. Super Bowls are really rare. Even though this is primarily a Patriots board, I think we all understand that really you're not meant to win them in bunches and winning just one is a big deal. The Jets may not get there. But there will be plenty to be excited about next year. You'll be following an incredibly entertaining team and situation next year, one way or another. So, there's that at least, and that's not nothing.
I just don't understand why nobody is talking about the cap. I understand that most view the cap as a thing you can manipulate year to year, but it's just not true. Rodgers is very cheap this year and relatively cheap next year, but it's at the expense of adding over $50 million to the 2025 and 2026 cap (each!) -- when they won't even have the player!!! To take on that burden and give up the picks? I don't know. That would be too much for me, for a year or two of high flying entertainment. But that's easy for me to say as a Patriots fan. I have six big reasons in the bank why I don't need the quick hit of a year like that, damned the cost. Ask me again in ten years if it's been a decade of toiling way at 8-9 or worse, playing most games on Sunday at 1:00. At that point, I might take the deal to have some temporary relevance and discussion about being at the big table.
I do not know if this move will work out for the Jets. But given where the Jets are relative to the Patriots, I do believe the move makes far more sense for the Jets than it would for the Pats.
It's not enough. I don't want to just be the most talked about team in football for just next year. I want to BELIEVE in the possibility of good things happening for an extended period of time man. I want to believe in that general hope springs eternal manner other fan bases get to do. Like I got to do here every winter for the 15+ years I religiously followed every season after Henry and co bought the team, and even when I don't always agree with every surrounding move or decision being made.
Those aren't guaranteed money. There is a (expensive) out in 2024, or if he retires. Generally though the real answer is they'll restructure after the draft, shift some money into this year.
I don't think the out in 2024 is feasible. It accelerates more than they'll likely have room to take on. They won't be carrying over anything this year.
my guess is they take some of it into this year, and spread the rest over 2024 and 2025.
Bryce will definitely help, assuming he stays healthy and isn't the new Rashaad Penny.
The thing is, the Jets were already in a corner. A great roster without a good QB isn't worth so much anymore. Wilson didn't work out. Drafting a new QB and developing him, even if they hit a home run on the right pick, they lose a couple of years developing him. The Jets have a good defense and solid pieces throughout the roster right now, but who knows how long that will last.
This is good, better than what I was thinking. I was going to go with something about no need for one of those make-me-look-old filters the kids are using these days.
That's apparently in addition to this:
IDK about that Amos is a good death pirce it all comes down to rodgers anyway any backtrack they are 8-9 but if he is the mvp from 20 and 21 they win 12 games and challed buff but this move only works for NY IF
You can only say no if you've done it in the past 10 years. The Jets did it in 2010, so they're SOL.
Ah, thanks. Apologies for a likely already discussed question, but how have the Patriots been able to avoid it all these years?
You can also say no if you have a new head coach, or if you've made the playoffs in the last two seasons. The Pats haven't had back to back years out of the playoffs since 2000, so no hard knocks.
If they're good, they're good, not going to change my life either way if they are good or bad.
I think it will only be bad if they win the SB. Even getting there and losing would be good. Maybe even better depending how it goes. The Patriots certainly aren't going there.
Really? As a Pats fan I felt basically every year from 2010 or 2011 on was Super Bowl or Bust. Even 2009 I felt that way until Welker got hurt in week 17.
For a long stretch, this was such a painful loss for us. But now I get to look back gleefully that the Rex-era Jets claim to fame was back to back AFCCGs... and then the Pats went to 8 in a row.
