2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

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I still don't get why the Jets don't meet with Lamar and just leak it to put pressure on the Packers. Helps our Lamar showing there's actually a team interested and helps out the Jets to ty to get GB to bend.

"With the Aaron Rodgers trade in jeopardy, all the top brass for the Jets have flown out for a meeting with Lamar Jackson to discuss bringing the former MVP to NY"
 

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I still don't get why the Jets don't meet with Lamar and just leak it to put pressure on the Packers. Helps our Lamar showing there's actually a team interested and helps out the Jets to ty to get GB to bend.

"With the Aaron Rodgers trade in jeopardy, all the top brass for the Jets have flown out for a meeting with Lamar Jackson to discuss bringing the former MVP to NY"
I'd love to envision a scenario where the Jets get shut out here and have to go back to Zach Wilson at QB. That's the real leverage here. Good luck Jets, we'll just let him retire and we'll take the salary cap savings post June 1st.

It's too bad Rodgers is a prick. The Niners with him would be a great team but they have no picks until the end of the third round. Of course, Rodgers would have to go back in his hole and see his shadow again.
 

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I still don't get why the Jets don't meet with Lamar and just leak it to put pressure on the Packers. Helps our Lamar showing there's actually a team interested and helps out the Jets to ty to get GB to bend.

"With the Aaron Rodgers trade in jeopardy, all the top brass for the Jets have flown out for a meeting with Lamar Jackson to discuss bringing the former MVP to NY"
I’m not sure they can afford Lamar. Rodgers seems to be willing to structure in a certain way that Lamar might not want?
 

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Jets are probably still confident a deal gets done. No real rush at this time.

Meeting with Lamar could go multiple ways.
Not sure GB would feel much pressure. That's assuming no other team would have interest. Maybe some other team convinces Rodgers to take a meeting with them. Aaron, Jets are looking at other options, you should at least hear us out.
 

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Damn, I sure as hell hope they don't meet with Lamar. If that lead to Lamar in NY, Same Old Jets might be a thing of the past.

Rodgers in NY has the potential to sting at times, but ultimately would lead to a shit show of sorts. At least, that's what I would expect, and would be so Jets.
 

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I’m not sure they can afford Lamar. Rodgers seems to be willing to structure in a certain way that Lamar might not want?
"Huge signing bonus" is the easiest way to keep the 1st year cap # down. I don't think Lamar would have a large issue with that.

I'm sure they'll square up their compensation for Rodgers soon. 2nd & a 4th that can become a 2nd if certain criteria are met? Who knows.
 

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I still don't get why the Jets don't meet with Lamar and just leak it to put pressure on the Packers. Helps our Lamar showing there's actually a team interested and helps out the Jets to ty to get GB to bend.

"With the Aaron Rodgers trade in jeopardy, all the top brass for the Jets have flown out for a meeting with Lamar Jackson to discuss bringing the former MVP to NY"
This would be great for the Packers.

Oh, you're willing to give up two first round picks and maybe 200Mish guaranteed for your plan B?

So what's plan A, a guy who already publicly announced he wants to play for you, worth?
 

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Wonder how many negotiations classes are using this as a live case study. I think GB is on the best position; Jets in the worst position. Assuming AR isn’t a complete dolt financially, all he has to do is stay in shape.
 

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Wonder how many negotiations classes are using this as a live case study. I think GB is on the best position; Jets in the worst position. Assuming AR isn’t a complete dolt financially, all he has to do is stay in shape.
So what is your prediction if GB is in the better position?
 

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The way Rodgers puts pressure on GB to force this trade through is to announce he's coming back to the Packers if he isn't traded. That's how GB's leverage evaporates because they absolutely do not want him on the roster.
 

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The way Rodgers puts pressure on GB to force this trade through is to announce he's coming back to the Packers if he isn't traded. That's how GB's leverage evaporates because they absolutely do not want him on the roster.
Would it evaporate though?

Because Rodgers already announced he absolutely does not want to be on the Packers roster.

I'd call the King of the Darkness bluff on that one.
 

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Would it evaporate though?

Because Rodgers already announced he absolutely does not want to be on the Packers roster.

I'd call the King of the Darkness bluff on that one.
But there is just no chance Rodgers retires. He can sit in as many darkness huts as he wants or pretend everything he wants, he will never pass on $60 million to play 17 football games. He will play and complain that GB was too picky on comp.

Green Bay has to do this deal. They cannot shoulder $110 million in cap hits for two years of a malcontent, and the Jets know it.
 

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But there is just no chance Rodgers retires. He can sit in as many darkness huts as he wants or pretend everything he wants, he will never pass on $60 million to play 17 football games. He will play and complain that GB was too picky on comp.

Green Bay has to do this deal. They cannot shoulder $110 million in cap hits for two years of a malcontent, and the Jets know it.
But, on the other hand, the Jets have to do this deal and the Packers know it.

What are the Jets other options? Pay Lamar Jackson a contract so onerous that the Ravens won't match and give up two first round picks to do it. And plan B is, Teddy Bridgewater or something?

I just can't see how the Jets have more leverage here. They want him, their fans want him, Rodgers wants them, they desperately need a QB and there aren't many other great options.

Green Bay doesn't have to actually pay his option bonus until the season starts. If Rodgers says I'm gonna play in Green Bay this year. Green Bay can just say great, see you in camp buddy. Then wait for the Jets to call and up their offer.
 

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But, on the other hand, the Jets have to do this deal and the Packers know it.

What are the Jets other options? Pay Lamar Jackson a contract so onerous that the Ravens won't match and give up two first round picks to do it. And plan B is, Teddy Bridgewater or something?

I just can't see how the Jets have more leverage here. They want him, their fans want him, Rodgers wants them, they desperately need a QB and there aren't many other great options.

Green Bay doesn't have to actually pay his option bonus until the season starts. If Rodgers says I'm gonna play in Green Bay this year. Green Bay can just say great, see you in camp buddy. Then wait for the Jets to call and up their offer.
Especially since they are arguably better off with a post June 1st deal.

Let the Jets spend a couple of months trying to convince a fanbase and roster that thought they were SB contenders that... "actually guys, Carson Wentz, draft capital and saving Woody money is better"
 

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For so long as GB is convinced the Jets have no plan B they can be aggressive. But as soon the Jets have any credible threat of a plan B, GB has zero options. Usually in these situations, a team that is willing to take a harsh one time blow can at least consider a very expensive cut. Cutting is not an option here.
 

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They play Rodgers. Or they trade him whether possibly post June for conditional picks in 2024.

Jets aren't the only one that can find a plan B. Doubt it gets that far and no real hurry from either team at this point.
 

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They play Rodgers. Or they trade him whether possibly post June for conditional picks in 2024.

Jets aren't the only one that can find a plan B. Doubt it gets that far and no real hurry from either team at this point.
Who else is interested at this point? It seems like just the Jets. If a second team enters the fray, I agree, it changes the equation considerably. But right now this is two teams who don't have BATNAs. Rodgers returning to Green Bay would be a mess for both GB and NYJ.
 

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Who else is interested at this point? It seems like just the Jets. If a second team enters the fray, I agree, it changes the equation considerably. But right now this is two teams who don't have BATNAs. Rodgers returning to Green Bay would be a mess for both GB and NYJ.
No team at the moment. Jets have no plan B at the moment. Neither team has a time crunch at this point.

Any or all of those things could change in the future. That was my point.
 

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Who else is interested at this point? It seems like just the Jets. If a second team enters the fray, I agree, it changes the equation considerably. But right now this is two teams who don't have BATNAs. Rodgers returning to Green Bay would be a mess for both GB and NYJ.
There will always be a team on the fringe that thinks they're an Aaron Rodgers away from a run. Whether it's an injury, the dark horse team performing over their head, the random top 10 defense out of no where...and I don't think AR has any interest in sitting out a full year. He'll play where he's sent.
 

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The Jets have some leverage for the moment, but once Lamar signs, it's gone. The Packers could conceivably find another team (seriously he just won back to back MVP awards, no one else wants him?) or just wait out Rodgers, but the Jets are absolutely SOL if they don't end up with Rodgers or Lamar. They've been acting like they're a competent QB away from contention, and absolutely nobody believes that competent QB is Bridgewater/Wentz/Ryan. The Packers have the advantage now, with the Jets only alternative being Lamar.
 

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There will always be a team on the fringe that thinks they're an Aaron Rodgers away from a run. Whether it's an injury, the dark horse team performing over their head, the random top 10 defense out of no where...and I don't think AR has any interest in sitting out a full year. He'll play where he's sent.
The Packers (or whichever team has Rodgers under contract) will have to pick up Rodgers' $58.3M option before the season starts, so they can't wait and see if a market materializes during the season like you seem to be suggesting. They don't have any real incentive to rush now, and arguably they could wait until after 6/1 and it would be a more favorable cap situation. I guess the other possibility is that some team that's fixated on a draft quarterback doesn't get one-or doesn't get the one they want. Indianapolis at 4 might get the fourth pick of quarterbacks; do they want it? But you start going through the teams that are left, and between the teams that already addressed QB and the ones picking high and the ones who don't have the cash / cap, there's not a whole lot left.

As for "he'll play where he's sent," Rodgers will ... this year. The issue is the team that receives him might be paying $58M for one season. That's Rodgers' leverage here; it's not that he'll retire now, it's that he'll retire in a year and bone over whoever shells out whatever trade capital and nearly $60M for one season.
 

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Jets want protection if Rodgers retires after next season.

The Packers and Jets have apparently come close to agreeing on what the compensation would look like, but the main sticking point right now seems to be that the Jets want some protection in case Rodgers doesn't play in 2024, according to Yahoo Sports.

According to Yahoo, the framework of the deal currently looks like this:

  • Jets get: Aaron Rodgers.
  • Packers get: 2023 second-round pick, conditional 2024 second-round pick -- the 2024 pick could become a first-rounder if the Jets hit "achievable team-performance escalators" during the 2023 season.
The sticking point right now is that the Jets want a safety valve added to the trade that would protect them if Rodgers only plays one season in New York. According to Yahoo, the Jets want the Packers to send them a 2025 draft pick in case Rodgers decides to retire after the 2023 season -- the Jets don't want to give up two picks for one season of Rodgers.
 

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Sounds like they want only upside and none of the risk associated with the Aaron Rodgers Experience. That deal seems pretty fair to me. I’d hold firm.
 

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Maybe a mutual conditional 2025 pick is the answer...if Rodgers retires before 2024, Jets get a 4th. If Rodgers play & the Jets meet whatever team performance conditions, the Packers get a 4th.
 

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Isn't the money a huge part of the risk already?
If he retires they don't have to pay him. The Jets want to get him on the cheap, which is possible because he's owed a lot of money and he might retire. They then want to get protection for him not playing (and saving them a ton of money) in picks. GB, reasonably says "hey the only reason you're getting him this cheap is the threat of 2024 being either a TON of money, or he retires".
 

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Jeremiah floated (a couple of weeks ago on his pod), a 4th this year and a second next year that could be a first not based on if Rodgers plays next year but if he hits certain marks this year meaning 4000yds or Playoffs or Playoff wins

This made me think we might see a more creative trade than usual as Jeremiah and Douglas are buddies so I don’t think Jeremiah is just guessing about format (but might be wrong on particulars).
 

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If he retires they don't have to pay him. The Jets want to get him on the cheap, which is possible because he's owed a lot of money and he might retire. They then want to get protection for him not playing (and saving them a ton of money) in picks. GB, reasonably says "hey the only reason you're getting him this cheap is the threat of 2024 being either a TON of money, or he retires".
If he retires, then they paid him $60 million for one season. The deal is frontloaded from this point where it bones whoever has Rodgers on the team in 2023 (which is why GB really needs to get rid of him). If Rodgers is playing beyond 2023, it's not as bad.
 

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If he retires, then they paid him $60 million for one season. The deal is frontloaded from this point where it bones whoever has Rodgers on the team in 2023 (which is why GB really needs to get rid of him). If Rodgers is playing beyond 2023, it's not as bad.
The whole time during this Rodgers saga, I have found the reporting to rarely get the meat of any issue. It started with the idea that Rodgers to the Jets would be very cap friendly, since it would only cost them $15 million in cap space. I understand the prevailing wisdom is that cap space is flexible and you can kick the can down the road. But the reality is that number is $95 million short. They can get away with only booking $15 million in 2023, but they pay the piper eventually. He is going to cost $108 million in cap space.

It continues with this idea of Rodgers retiring before the 2024 season. It is not happening! No amount of dark rooms or Joe Rogen whispering is going to make Aaron Fucking Rodgers walk away from $49 million to play 17 football games. It's not a thing worth worrying about. It's just not going to happen. The scenarios involve assuming that he's full blown crazy and is prepared to do irrational things. He is only kind of crazy, and he's not giving up fifty million dollars.

What the Jets should be more worried about is injury. Rodgers 2024 salary gets guaranteed for injury at a certain point (the reporting is shitty on it). That's the triple whammy. He doesn't play and he gets paid and they get the cap hit.

I have no problem with the Jets pretending that Rodgers might retire in 2024 in order to try to get some concession. And really, from the Jets' perspective, there's no downside in seeing if you can get something for a contingency that has less than a 1 percent chance. Why not? From Green Bay's perspective, I don't think this is a big deal and you might as well give it, because, again, it ain't happening. So, GB will eventually cave, but might as well make the Jets stew in it another week or so.

Edit -- man, I come across like a know it all about a thing that I can't really know. Sorry. The guy kind of pisses me off. Not sure how he convinced anyone he would imagine not playing for $60 and then $50 million but here we are.
 
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Just confirming for everyone that Rich Cimini is referring to the New York Jets, not the Winnipeg Jets. The Winnipeg Jets made the NHL playoffs as recently as the 2020-2021 season.
I think we picked up on that since this it the NY Jets thread and Rich Cimini is the NY Jets beat writer, but thanks for the additional clarity.
 

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I personally--and I think this is true of most podcast fans--just listen to them, so it's basically like radio on demand. Watching three dudes talking is odd.
I actually got interviewed for a podcast. Alas they asked about a subject at which I know way too much so I talked myself raw over 90 minutes. Hated the bloody thing when I listened to it later. If ever I make a second appearance I'm going to demand set questions so that I don't ramble.
 

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Curious... I think the Jets day 2 picks are very much at the heart of negotiations with the Packers. Given that, do people see a trade happening before Day 2 starts?
 

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Curious... I think the Jets day 2 picks are very much at the heart of negotiations with the Packers. Given that, do people see a trade happening before Day 2 starts?
I don’t. There about on their third mega thread and 500 pages into this over at The Gang Green speculating.
 

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Curious... I think the Jets day 2 picks are very much at the heart of negotiations with the Packers. Given that, do people see a trade happening before Day 2 starts?
Almost everyone in the media thinks the Day 2 picks are the start of the negotiations ... so, yes?
 

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That’s good value for GB under the circumstances. I’m a bit surprised the 2024 pick becomes a first rounder so easily given Rodgers is year to year at this point, but he can still play at a high level and the Jets were obviously desperate for good QB play.
 

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If true that might have interesting implications for the Patriots. If the Jets are now drafting behind the Patriots rather than in front of them. Most of the Jets mocks had them picking an O lineman like Paris Johnson or Peter Skoronski.
 

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Wow. Packers effectively get the Jets’ 2024 1st rounder. No way, barring major injury, Rodgers doesn’t play enough snaps.
 

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I am really surprised the Jets will get no additional compensation if Rodgers retires after this season.
 

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As a Patriots fan, I’m glad to see the Jets going from one spot in front of the Pats to one spot behind the Pats. Of course, the Pats probably trade back anyways.