2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

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Rogers has all the leverage here. He goaded GB into extending him for 3Y/$150M, most of which was bonus money.

If he retires, that bonus immediately accelerates on to the cap (remember Gronk?), costing them $60M on this year's cap, and they get nothing in return.

If he's traded to NYJ, that bonus immediately accelerates on to the cap, costing them $60M on this year's cap, and they get...something in return. That something is what's being haggled.

All it cost Rogers was whatever was left of his reputation. This is a full heel turn. He might as well have cracked Bart Starr over the head with a steel chair.
Green Bay is blowing it up and starting from the bottom. They know their roster is shit, their best receiver just left, their QB is gone, they've done nothing in free agency of note. That's their leverage. They don't care if they go 1-16 this season, they'll get their next QB in the 2024 Draft.
 

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If he retires, that bonus immediately accelerates on to the cap (remember Gronk?), costing them $60M on this year's cap, and they get nothing in return
Agree with your overall point that Rodgers has the leverage but if Rodgers retires he's walking away from $59M.
 

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Rogers has all the leverage here. He goaded GB into extending him for 3Y/$150M, most of which was bonus money.

If he retires, that bonus immediately accelerates on to the cap (remember Gronk?), costing them $60M on this year's cap, and they get nothing in return.

If he's traded to NYJ, that bonus immediately accelerates on to the cap, costing them $60M on this year's cap, and they get...something in return. That something is what's being haggled.

All it cost Rogers was whatever was left of his reputation. This is a full heel turn. He might as well have cracked Bart Starr over the head with a steel chair.
Thanks, so the Packers are on the hook for $60 million next year whether he retires or goes to the Jets? Wouldn't that improve their negotiating position? There's no financial or cap incentive whether he retires or plays elsewhere, all they really get is whatever the Jets send as compensation. Feels like the Jets are on the hot seat now more than the Packers. The Packers can hold out for whatever they want.
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
 

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I think there’s a zero percent chance this doesn’t end in a dumpster fire.

Rodgers generally hates the media and has been surrounded by a team and community that has all but declared him a Demi god.

I think the ability is still there for him. He can still spin it. The Jets have a talented roster. But I think there’s going to be a big culture shock for him.
One of the differences between GB and NY beyond the obvious is that in GB he sort of "earned" the right to be an asshole by playing great and -- in the eyes of most -- overcoming McCarthy et al. And he was great first. He comes to NY as a confirmed asshole, but one who has done ZERO as a Jet.
 

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One of the differences between GB and NY beyond the obvious is that in GB he sort of "earned" the right to be an asshole by playing great and -- in the eyes of most -- overcoming McCarthy et al. And he was great first. He comes to NY as a confirmed asshole, but one who has done ZERO as a Jet.
He’s also a known asshole to guys that don’t run routes exactly the way he likes, which is exactly why he’s asked the Jets to go out and get “his guys.”

He doesn’t have the time or patience to break in a new, probably better and more talented, receiving core. He wants guys that already know him and the offense.

Install Hackett. Insert Cobb, Lazard, Lewis.
 

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Just caught the end, it’s hilarious how much Pat has to compliment him before after and during each question.
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
Right there with you. The last thing I want to listen to is someone else's opinion spun like it's a fact. Especially when most people aren't entertaining at all.
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
I work a job that requires me to be at a desk most of the time. Podcasts are a great way to kill some time.

Just a modern day radio show to pop on for an hour or two or on the ride into work. I listen to a bunch of football ones and it has undoubtedly made me a more knowledgeable football fan.
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
I personally--and I think this is true of most podcast fans--just listen to them, so it's basically like radio on demand. Watching three dudes talking is odd.
 

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I'm not watching, if someone has a link, throw it up.

But if Aaron Rodgers thinks reporters have been mean to him, he best not fuck up in NY. That's a different media than the Wisconsin Gazette or whatever the newspaper in Racine is...

Aaron Rodgers has one 1 Super Bowl, a career playoff record of 11-10 and most of those 10 losses can be laid somewhere very close to his feet.

Fuck him, he'll never win anything again. The best thing he can do is shut his mouth, take his remaining 100mil, and then disappear from the collective conscience.
And his career has been in the NFC. He can only "blame" Brady for one loss in the playoffs.
 

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Podcasts aren't typically live like this one was. I love them for commuting. Also can listen to specific topics I'm interested in instead of being at the mercy of whatever F&M or other radio show decides is the topic to discuss for that day.
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
I think "podcasts" is a very broad category - I've listened to them since the time podcasts were actually on iPods, and I still don't enjoy even the supposedly good ones in the "host interviews guests" genre, like the McAfee show
 

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I'm confused about the Schefter tweet. Did I miss some context where Schefter tried to one up AR before AR went on the podcast?
 

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It's great that one of the biggest assholes may join the Jets. It makes it much easier to focus my hatred versus having to root against the Pack just because Rodgers was there.
 

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I am hoping this becomes my all time favorite SoSH thread. Rodgers not making the playoffs or getting hurt would ruin it. Most hated only 2nd to Kyrie. That’s beautiful. Kyrie gets accused of wanting to eliminate Jews on SoSH and in a sports world full of legit felons, AR12 being an asshole puts him at second in the pantheon behind only a genocide guy. I love it. What is the best method to save a thread? Screen capping or is there something better?
 

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He instantly becomes the second best QB in Jets history behind Namath, I can just see the NY media fawning all over the guy and kissing his ass.

This is a franchise that since 1969 has been to four AFCCG's, that's less than one per decade and zero Super Bowls, the age of the average Jets fan who honestly remembers their lone Super Bowl win/appearance is north of 60.

If he wins a Super Bowl as a Jet, he'll be forever a hero, more like a God; if he does not, the reaction will be "Whatever, same old Jets."
 

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I think "podcasts" is a very broad category - I've listened to them since the time podcasts were actually on iPods, and I still don't enjoy even the supposedly good ones in the "host interviews guests" genre, like the McAfee show
As an aside anyone know what is probably the world's oldest continuously running podcast?

HINT: It's New England based.
 

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As an aside anyone know what is probably the world's oldest continuously running podcast?

HINT: It's New England based.
Probably something similar to Curry but idk. Boston area has an angle with Simmons/Maron/Rogan. (Maron the least of the 3)
 

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Probably something similar to Curry but idk. Boston area has an angle with Simmons/Maron/Rogan. (Maron the least of the 3)
There's some definitional questions--what makes a podcast a podcast-- but the Patriots in-house radio show "PFW in Progress" (now called Patriots Unfiltered) and was first made available as an on-demand radio show in 2000 and has been running consistently for 23 years now.
 

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You don't like Conan's podcast? Come on now.
Nope, and that's despite actually loving Conan when he was on TV.

Back on topic, I'm enjoying thinking up potential headlines for a Rodgers-led Jets:

If he gets to play against Green Bay: MEET PACKING DISTRICT
If he plays against any former NFC Central rivals: HELLO DARKNESS, MY OLD FRIENDS
If he loses to the Steelers: JETS FUEL CAN'T MELT STEELER BEAMS
 

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Was he essentially saying he wishes he had gone to Vegas instead? Or did he say he chose the Jets? I wasn't really clear on that.
He was asked if it was Jets, stay with Packers, or retire. He said there were other options and that there was a specific player on another team who he really, really wanted to play with.

In other words, I think he was trying to land on the Raiders, they flirted for a bit, then when it didn't happen, he pushed to the Jets. Now he's openly trying to get the Jets to trade for Adams.

At least, thats how I took it. And when you think about it, it's kind of an under reported aspect of this. First, it seems like the Raiders were Rodgers first choice (fitting). I wonder how much of the Carr situation was affected by that knowledge. Did Rodgers pivot to the Jets before or after he knew JG was signing with the Raiders? What would the Raiders (and Jets) look like had Rodgers been traded to the Raiders instead?
 

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Nope, and that's despite actually loving Conan when he was on TV.

Back on topic, I'm enjoying thinking up potential headlines for a Rodgers-led Jets:

If he gets to play against Green Bay: MEET PACKING DISTRICT
If he plays against any former NFC Central rivals: HELLO DARKNESS, MY OLD FRIENDS
If he loses to the Steelers: JETS FUEL CAN'T MELT STEELER BEAMS
That last one- I don't know.
 

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I am hoping this becomes my all time favorite SoSH thread. Rodgers not making the playoffs or getting hurt would ruin it. Most hated only 2nd to Kyrie. That’s beautiful. Kyrie gets accused of wanting to eliminate Jews on SoSH and in a sports world full of legit felons,
To be fair, they did say non-criminal division.

I don't see anyone crapping on his playing ability. Rodgers has a rep as a prickly guy. Nothing new about that. Know plenty of GB fans that agree. They also root like hell for him. Or at least have.
 

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The end with Rodgers saying “I only have one ring and one watch” was funny.
 

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Kyrie gets accused of wanting to eliminate Jews on SoSH and in a sports world full of legit felons, AR12 being an asshole puts him at second in the pantheon behind only a genocide guy. I love it. What is the best method to save a thread? Screen capping or is there something better?
Just wait until he changes his number to 16, then watch the board implode.
 

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There's a widespread feeling that they were a good team being held back by historically awful QB play last year. If Rodgers goes there and wins something, he'll be a savior to a lot of NYC. Think of Schilling coming to the Sox in 2004.
He could also end up like a post-retirement Schilling too. I at least hope he doesn't have a collection of Nazi stuff.
 

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I am hoping this becomes my all time favorite SoSH thread. Rodgers not making the playoffs or getting hurt would ruin it. Most hated only 2nd to Kyrie. That’s beautiful. Kyrie gets accused of wanting to eliminate Jews on SoSH and in a sports world full of legit felons, AR12 being an asshole puts him at second in the pantheon behind only a genocide guy. I love it. What is the best method to save a thread? Screen capping or is there something better?
Aaron Rodgers isn't worth getting indignant about, son. Even if he wins the Lombardi for the Jets, he'll still be a grandiose asshole.
 

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I am hoping this becomes my all time favorite SoSH thread. Rodgers not making the playoffs or getting hurt would ruin it. Most hated only 2nd to Kyrie. That’s beautiful. Kyrie gets accused of wanting to eliminate Jews on SoSH and in a sports world full of legit felons, AR12 being an asshole puts him at second in the pantheon behind only a genocide guy.
2nd? really? I doubt it. I dont think we'd be threading Rodgers if he wasn't in the news, so to speak. and since he's in the news, and acting like an ass, here we are, analyzing.
I suspect people think Tyreek Hill is probably a worse guy, but no one is talking about him today.
 

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Green Bay is blowing it up and starting from the bottom. They know their roster is shit, their best receiver just left, their QB is gone, they've done nothing in free agency of note. That's their leverage. They don't care if they go 1-16 this season, they'll get their next QB in the 2024 Draft.
Absolutely agreed, which is why they'll want picks from NYJ to help with that rebuilding process. However, they will have Jordan Love, who seemed to do pretty well last year in relief and has his own financial future to consider (so has every reason to go balls-out even when rebuilding), so it's not a complete death knell for the franchise.

Agree with your overall point that Rodgers has the leverage but if Rodgers retires he's walking away from $59M.
His net worth is assumed to be $140M. I absolutely agree that walking away from that money would be gut-wrenching, but this is a guy who went in lived in the dark by himself for a few days. He's off in Special Brain land, where he's already amassed as much as he will ever need, and can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life. What he wants to do is not play for Green Bay any longer. Anything beyond that, we'll see.
 

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Back on topic, I'm enjoying thinking up potential headlines for a Rodgers-led Jets:

If he gets to play against Green Bay: MEET PACKING DISTRICT
If he plays against any former NFC Central rivals: HELLO DARKNESS, MY OLD FRIENDS
If he loses to the Steelers: JETS FUEL CAN'T MELT STEELER BEAMS
There's a reason @LeoCarrillo 's tagline is "do his bits at your peril"
 

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Good explanation of Packers cap hit here: https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/how-does-an-aaron-rodgers-trade-impact-green-bays-cap/
It would be great for them if the trade happens after June 1 but AR is forcing the issue. Green Bay will have about $40mil in dead cap space until 2026 if this goes through before then.
I'm not even in the same county as a cap expert, but - if GB is going to be awful this year due to losing their QB, WR, etc (as noted above), wouldn't they rather have cap hits this season rather than next? If you're going to suck, shedding some salary this year to suck even more seems better than continuing to push dead cap hits into the future (when you'd like to not suck)
 

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I know folks love them, and there are allegedly some good ones out there, but watching this, I can't help but remain committed that podcasts are just a medium that will never entertain me.
Agree with this sentiment almost completely but love the Green Light podcast with Chris Long and friends. Mostly because they don't take themselves too seriously and are frequently (to me anyway) hilarious and self-deprecating. The opposite of what little I know about McAfee.
 

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I'm not even in the same county as a cap expert, but - if GB is going to be awful this year due to losing their QB, WR, etc (as noted above), wouldn't they rather have cap hits this season rather than next? If you're going to suck, shedding some salary this year to suck even more seems better than continuing to push dead cap hits into the future (when you'd like to not suck)
Having the room this year gives them the ability to use but doesn't mean they have to. Any amount under the cap gets carried to next season so spreading it out gives them more flexibility. Plus the cap goes up so taking up less space percentage wise.
 

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Having the room this year gives them the ability to use but doesn't mean they have to. Any amount under the cap gets carried to next season so spreading it out gives them more flexibility. Plus the cap goes up so taking up less space percentage wise.
Any GB fans here? Will the Packers be able to get any mileage out of implicitly blaming Rodgers for financially hamstringing them for a year or two, or do the fans blame the team for "letting him go"?
 

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Podcasts are excellent. Drawing conclusions about “podcasts” after watching Pat’s show would be like drawing conclusions about movies after watching The Da Vinci Code.
 

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I might be the only Patriots fan who is excited about this. I am genuinely curious to see how the Jets do in the scruffy Kyrie era.
 

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I might be the only Patriots fan who is excited about this. I am genuinely curious to see how the Jets do in the scruffy Kyrie era.
I’m with you. This will be fun and I don’t really blame the Jets for trying. What are their alternatives? Can’t let Zach Wilson ruin another season so might as well try to catch lightning in a bottle here.
 

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I might be the only Patriots fan who is excited about this. I am genuinely curious to see how the Jets do in the scruffy Kyrie era.
I’m with you. This will be fun and I don’t really blame the Jets for trying. What are their alternatives? Can’t let Zach Wilson ruin another season so might as well try to catch lightning in a bottle here.
I think we're all like that. The schaedenforce will be strong with this one