That's why they're going to blow the Bucks out.How big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.
That's why they're going to blow the Bucks out.How big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.
Collective freakout here, among Celtics fans in general, or amongst the national media?How big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.
The NBA media is hangry to bury the CelticsHow big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.
If they rest starters, then I agree. The national media and Celtics fans will freak out regardless if they lose. I think people here are a bit on edge too. I guess I'd only feel good with a loss if it's a very obvious make/miss game (which do happen).Collective freakout here, among Celtics fans in general, or amongst the national media?
Wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics treat it like the rest of their games in the final month (resting 2-3 starters), which completely takes the air out of any negative hot takes. This team doesn't have anything left to prove or gain in the regular season.
6. The Celtics win by 25, but because they shoot 22-45 from 3, some will use it as an excuse to point out that their 3 pointers might not fall in the playoffs (Inside the NBA's postgame coverage of Celtics/Suns last week was embarrassing) and Boston might not be able to recover.The NBA media is hangry to bury the Celtics
They don't even need a Bucks win, one of these 5 things will suffice:
1. C's miss plenty of 3s
2. KP twists his ankle
3. Brown turns the ball over
4. Tatum misses a late shot
5. Joe doesn't call a late timeout
This team has lost 14 out of 68 games this season and after each one I've read media as well as fan takes that the defeat revealed a lot about the team's flaws. It feels like I don't find the same folks pointing out the Celtics strengths during winning streaks or even acknowledging their body of work this year. They are just here after each loss to tell you that Tatum is a fake superstar or Jaylen will be slowed in the playoffs or Mazzulla is destined to be out coached etc.How big is the collective freakout going to be if we lose tomorrow to Milwaukee? I try to be balanced, and I know it's one game, but I honestly wouldn't feel great.
These two have been exactly as I expected. Springer isn’t going to give us anything this year and his lack of ever making a leap thus far in the league doesn’t bode well for his longevity in it. Tillman can play, he was an essential frontcourt piece for a playoff team in Memphis. His physicality, ability to switch defensively and space the floor on offense without needing shots to be effective gives us a nice depth piece to plug in.I'll say Springer hasn't impressed me one bit so far. Hasn't hit his shots, has gotten blown by on D by the end-of-bench Pistons and Wizards guys, and while he got an unfavorable whistle in Washington, some of it was his own f-ups, too. Maybe he's a prospect to develop over the next few years, but he doesn't look like a playable NBA-er right now, he looks like a garbage-time guy who gets a bunch of time in Maine under normal circumstances.
Tillman, meanwhile, has jumped over Oshae Brissett as the beef wing off the bench, and has come for some of Kornet's minutes, too. The guy found his role on the team VERY quickly, cracked our (approaching legendary?) rotation, and I'm quite impressed with it. Perhaps I'm most impressed with him hitting a few of his 3s, because the book on him as he came here was "great D... but just know: he can't shoot".
1. Stop trying to make fetch happen.God, the rest of the regular season is so fetch. Can we please just get this shindig started?
I posted in here a week or two ago about the Celtics having a handful of “circled” games the rest of the way to keep this group sharp and engaged. After the Bucks wiped their floor with our asses in Milwaukee two months ago this is a prime spot to send a message and approach this as a playoff game and a rout.Collective freakout here, among Celtics fans in general, or amongst the national media?
Wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics treat it like the rest of their games in the final month (resting 2-3 starters), which completely takes the air out of any negative hot takes. This team doesn't have anything left to prove or gain in the regular season.
6. Joe doesn't yell at the refs enoughThe NBA media is hangry to bury the Celtics
They don't even need a Bucks win, one of these 5 things will suffice:
1. C's miss plenty of 3s
2. KP twists his ankle
3. Brown turns the ball over
4. Tatum misses a late shot
5. Joe doesn't call a late timeout
It makes me happy to know that somewhere SRN just got twitchy eye.The obvious comp imo is Draymond. Similar height and wingspan, ability to move feet on the perimeter, and challenges at the rim much, much better than Tucker.
Of course, Draymond is a DPOY and one of the greatest defenders to ever play, so the comp only goes so far. But Tillman rates really highly defensively by metrics and the eye test, and so "middle-class man's Draymond" isn't that far off imo.
Yeah, if they're gonna play the whole group and play to win, this is the last game to do so. Exactly a month until round 1 starts (April 20), and there a few real games left after this (@NOP, home for OKC and SAC, @MIL and home for NYK), but this is probably the only one that really matters.I posted in here a week or two ago about the Celtics having a handful of “circled” games the rest of the way to keep this group sharp and engaged. After the Bucks wiped their floor with our asses in Milwaukee two months ago this is a prime spot to send a message and approach this as a playoff game and a rout.
Agree on all except OKC. I bet that one is circled on the calendar.Yeah, if they're gonna play the whole group and play to win, this is the last game to do so. Exactly a month until round 1 starts (April 20), and there a few real games left after this (@NOP, home for OKC and SAC, @MIL and home for NYK), but this is probably the only one that really matters.
Yeah, bargain bin Dray was always it. Or as far back as 7 years ago, anyway. At least in East Lansing.The obvious comp imo is Draymond. Similar height and wingspan, ability to move feet on the perimeter, and challenges at the rim much, much better than Tucker.
Of course, Draymond is a DPOY and one of the greatest defenders to ever play, so the comp only goes so far. But Tillman rates really highly defensively by metrics and the eye test, and so "middle-class man's Draymond" isn't that far off imo.
Yup, Tillman looks like a guy who will be a C's roleplayer for awhile, and Springer looks like a summer salary dump/salary match.These two have been exactly as I expected. Springer isn’t going to give us anything this year and his lack of ever making a leap thus far in the league doesn’t bode well for his longevity in it. Tillman can play, he was an essential frontcourt piece for a playoff team in Memphis. His physicality, ability to switch defensively and space the floor on offense without needing shots to be effective gives us a nice depth piece to plug in.
Aside from the massive defensively differences Draymond is also an elite passer and initiator is the offense. Aside from their size I don’t know how much I’d say Draymond is a comp since they are so differently skilled on both ends of the floor.The obvious comp imo is Draymond. Similar height and wingspan, ability to move feet on the perimeter, and challenges at the rim much, much better than Tucker.
Of course, Draymond is a DPOY and one of the greatest defenders to ever play, so the comp only goes so far. But Tillman rates really highly defensively by metrics and the eye test, and so "middle-class man's Draymond" isn't that far off imo.
As they gave up something for Springer and he's still cost-controlled I'd be a bit surprised if they dumped him this summer...not shocked, but surprised. My guess is they see him as a development guy as a third guard/role player and they want to take another year to test that idea....rather than him being primarily an in-year pickup to help during playoffs.Yup, Tillman looks like a guy who will be a C's roleplayer for awhile, and Springer looks like a summer salary dump/salary match.
Unless you add a better prospect or give up on him the Celtics will probably want to work with him this summer and in a full camp. Guys like this get more shots with the 15-man rosters than they did years ago.As they gave up something for Springer and he's still cost-controlled I'd be a bit surprised if they dumped him this summer...not shocked, but surprised. My guess is they see him as a development guy as a third guard/role player and they want to take another year to test that idea....rather than him being primarily an in-year pickup to help during playoffs.
We'll see..he hasn't impressed yet
Was talking only about defense, and gave all the disclaimers necessary about how amazing Draymond is on that end.Aside from the massive defensively differences Draymond is also an elite passer and initiator is the offense. Aside from their size I don’t know how much I’d say Draymond is a comp since they are so differently skilled on both ends of the floor.
I don't think it's busted. I'm no shot doctor but it seems like he sets up and releases the ball too far away from him so he doesn't get arc or power. That should be fixable with a summer with a good shooting coach.Springer is pretty clearly a project, you can see the tools, at least on defense. His shot looks totally busted though. Tough to get past that.
Good. Rest one of the Jays, then, and let's have a mutual, implicit recognition between these two teams that the game isn't being taken fully seriously. And we probably win by 15, even with some resting.Giannis not playing tonight
Just to add to this, the one loss to a bad team this year was in Charlotte, on the second night of a B2B, in overtime. So we are undefeated in regulation against <.500 teams this year.Last year vs. teams below .500, 24-10
This year vs. teams below .500, 26-1
That’s almost unbelievable. Even when some key guys rest, this team does not take nights off.
Clippers was the worst one, by far.And (I am sure the numbers will tell the real story...) the only bad loss I remember against a good team was the milwaukee blowout. That was a B2B or long road trip or something. But that one was ugly.
5th game in 7 nights, coming off an intense OT game against Minnesota the night before.And (I am sure the numbers will tell the real story...) the only bad loss I remember against a good team was the milwaukee blowout. That was a B2B or long road trip or something. But that one was ugly.
I think that's the key honestly. Every time one of us wonders WTF with Springer, that's where my head goes anyway.Yup, Tillman looks like a guy who will be a C's roleplayer for awhile, and Springer looks like a summer salary dump/salary match.
With that recent history and for those of us planning to watch and enjoy a Celtics basketball game later today:I'll be there tonight, so not surprised Giannis is sitting. Last game I went to, I got to see Lebron and AD in street clothes and the C's lose to the Lakers, so hopefully not a repeat of that shit.
81% on FTsI don't think it's busted. I'm no shot doctor but it seems like he sets up and releases the ball too far away from him so he doesn't get arc or power. That should be fixable with a summer with a good shooting coach.
Nesmith like seems about right.81% on FTs
80% at Tenn
He could eventually develop a 3pt stroke, just looks like he is going 100mph (Nesmith like).
He's a 21yr old plus defender. $4MM next season then RFA rights. Hope Brad gives him plenty of rope, like having +++ defensive role players that could develop at #14/15 on the roster.
I think that Pelicans game on their floor is going to be a banger and a great challenge. One of their few remaining “circled games.”Up next: four snoozers against tomato cans, a semi-interesting game in New Orleans, a snoozer against Charlotte, and then what should be a great game against OKC at home if both teams are healthy. IMO that’s the last interesting game they have. They play the Bucks and Knicks in the last week, but I’m assuming those won’t be full squads.
The Cs missed a ton of open 3s against that zone.Only caught the final seven minutes of this one and I know Jones and Burke waxed poetic about the Bucks 23 zone, but what I saw were WIDE open threes in which the Cs missed several and space to drive middle and offensive put back opportunities. This wasn't the Heat zone that amoeba shapes among 23, 13, and 32 and is active. IDK how much 23 the Bucks normally play but the one I saw was lazy. And, it should be noted zone is not as effective against this version of the Celtics as it has been vs. previous ones. Burke, in particular, seems to be living in the past as she made several comments down the stretch that really don't apply to this year's team (maybe she feels she owes Doc some love, IDK). That kind of zone, honestly, would be my last approach against the Celtics. But, again, I didn't see 85% of the game so IDK if they switched to zone bc they had to or what. Taking Dame off the court at the end bc he was a defensive liability is understandable and kinda like wow.
EDIT: IDK what Doc said postgame but that dude wanted to win this one badly. You could tell.
Finn article about the zone here: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/03/21/sports/celtics-avert-meltdown-bucks-zone/Only caught the final seven minutes of this one and I know Jones and Burke waxed poetic about the Bucks 23 zone, but what I saw were WIDE open threes in which the Cs missed several and space to drive middle and offensive put back opportunities. This wasn't the Heat zone that amoeba shapes among 23, 13, and 32 and is active. IDK how much 23 the Bucks normally play but the one I saw was lazy. And, it should be noted zone is not as effective against this version of the Celtics as it has been vs. previous ones. Burke, in particular, seems to be living in the past as she made several comments down the stretch that really don't apply to this year's team (maybe she feels she owes Doc some love, IDK). That kind of zone, honestly, would be my last approach against the Celtics. But, again, I didn't see 85% of the game so IDK if they switched to zone bc they had to or what. Taking Dame off the court at the end bc he was a defensive liability is understandable and kinda like wow.
EDIT: IDK what Doc said postgame but that dude wanted to win this one badly. You could tell.