Best? Yes.How do you think it would turn out if the Pats only ever drafted the best SEC player left on the board, every time their turn came? I bet they'd be able to field a damned good team that way.
Highest rated? Probably not.
Best? Yes.How do you think it would turn out if the Pats only ever drafted the best SEC player left on the board, every time their turn came? I bet they'd be able to field a damned good team that way.
Might have just done thatHow do you think it would turn out if the Pats only ever drafted the best SEC player left on the board, every time their turn came? I bet they'd be able to field a damned good team that way.
Yes, but that highlight reel is a riot. Dude plays with serious hostility293 pounds is light for a nose tackle correct?
Suh would be perfect in the Heavy Dime.Heavy Dime and DJ Hyperopia approve.
I saw him listed as a tackle, no?Another guard, Andrew Stueber Meechigan
Played 20/22 games at tackle but ESPN and/or NFLN had him at guardI saw him listed as a tackle, no?
Good news. The times in the conditioning run should be improved.View: https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1520529950431928320
3 offensive lineman
2 cornerbacks
2 running backs
1 defensive lineman
1 wide receiver
1 quarterback
Just like we all thought
Not athletic. Slow and opens up his shoulders and hips too earlySteuben is enormous, but apparently mobile with quick feet, dominant run blocker and handles himself ok in pass blocking. Played at a top football school. That is the profile of a top 30-50 pick, what are we missing?
Just give me one SEC LB with above average speed pleaseAnyone have a list of the top UDFA targets? Especially given Belichck’s talent at finding DB talent that goes undrafted I’m eager to see whether he takes some shots on defense there.
A good number should happen tonight.I forget, when do we hear about UDFA signings? Tonight, or not until some period of time passes?
Okay, thanks.A good number should happen tonight.
That’s the 2021 list.Holy crap, looking at his list of the 'top' UDFAs and the majority of it are already gone - and not a single one to the Patriots... they usually bring in a handful.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-undrafted-rookie-free-agents-following-the-2021-nfl-draft
That's from last yearHoly crap, looking at his list of the 'top' UDFAs and the majority of it are already gone - and not a single one to the Patriots... they usually bring in a handful.
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-undrafted-rookie-free-agents-following-the-2021-nfl-draft
That’s the 2021 list.
That's from last year
I'd like to see the work on this. Lots of his better picks have been against consensus- Seymour (slightly early, 1st projection but not top 10), Light, Mankins, DMac, Gronk (a little "early" but not quite as far as some of the others), Solder, Thuney and (hopefully) Dugger come to mind as working against your thesis.Very hard to second guess BB… but this is a tough draft to get behind. If this draft hits he looks like a genius, if it doesn’t he looks like he threw darts at an arrogant dart board. His track record is objectively better when he goes chalk, so this doesn’t illicite a lot of confidence. Hope I’m wrong. That said Tyquan is a stud, can’t hate without putting your own pick in vs. The field.
McCourty, Gronk, Solder and Dugger went in the range they were projected at.I'd like to see the work on this. Lots of his better picks have been against consensus- Seymour (slightly early, 1st projection but not top 10), Light, Mankins, DMac, Gronk (a little "early" but not quite as far as some of the others), Solder, Thuney and (hopefully) Dugger come to mind as working against your thesis.
Fair on most of those guys now that I look it up. I don't pay much attention to predraft rankings. Gronk's projections were all over the place because of the medical concerns, so he was a weird prospect. Still I'm not sure that there is a case to be made that objectively "chalk" works out better. I'd like to see that argument.McCourty, Gronk, Solder and Dugger went in the range they were projected at.
I agree, following the consensus has no intrinsic value, but I do think their number of hits when going far off board isn't as high as some make it out to be. It's mostly OL they've had success doing that with (Mankins, Vollmer, Thuney), which at the very least bodes well for Strange.Fair on most of those guys now that I look it up. I don't pay much attention to predraft rankings. Gronk's projections were all over the place because of the medical concerns, so he was a weird prospect. Still I'm not sure that there is a case to be made that objectively "chalk" works out better. I'd like to see that argument.
Who are the misses when the Pats go against consensus? Duke Dawson and Vincent Valentine (I really liked him as a prospect) were the only ones who popped out scanning the draft history. Admittedly I forget what the consensus was on some guys like Gus Scott and Brock Williams.I agree, following the consensus has no intrinsic value, but I do think their number of hits when going far off board isn't as high as some make it out to be. It's mostly OL they've had success doing that with (Mankins, Vollmer, Thuney), which at the very least bodes well for Strange.
I don’t know about Wilson. He wasn’t a bust but he was a fairly minor defensive contributor (more on specials tho) who left after four years. Lots of second round picks end up like that but I’m not sure I can put him in the credit category.Who are the misses when the Pats go against consensus? Duke Dawson and Vincent Valentine (I really liked him as a prospect) were the only ones who popped out scanning the draft history. Admittedly I forget what the consensus was on some guys like Gus Scott and Brock Williams.
Duron Harmon and Tavon Wilson probably should go on the credit list.
A 10 year career is pretty good for a second round pick or any pick really. Jordan Richards had an 8 year career, not bad at the end of the 2nd round really. Stars? No, but NFL players.I don’t know about Wilson. He wasn’t a bust but he was a fairly minor defensive contributor (more on specials tho) who left after four years. Lots of second round picks end up like that but I’m not sure I can put him in the credit category.
Jordan Richards was another “reach” that didn’t really pan out.
A lot of players don't pan out. The draft commentary industry barely attempts K/P evaluation, so I wouldn't list them. I was only looking at rounds 1-3 and trying to find people with projections at least two rounds after they were drafted.At what point do we stop calling guys reaches? Because in the fifth round of the 2020 draft BB took that stupid kicker that didn’t pan out at all. Complete waste of a pick.
Many people put Wilson in the bust category because they hated the pick and he wasnt a thing special but he’s had a 9 year career with multiple multi-year contracts. That’s probably in the upper 50% of second round outcomes. No great shakes but his AV puts him as a second / third rounder from that draft so he’s more or less played up to expectations, if not slightly below.I don’t know about Wilson. He wasn’t a bust but he was a fairly minor defensive contributor (more on specials tho) who left after four years. Lots of second round picks end up like that but I’m not sure I can put him in the credit category.
Jordan Richards was another “reach” that didn’t really pan out.
I called him not a bust but not in the credit category either so that seems consistent with what I said.Many people put Wilson in the bust category because they hated the pick and he wasnt a thing special but he’s had a 9 year career with multiple multi-year contracts. That’s probably in the upper 50% of second round outcomes. No great shakes but his AV puts him as a second / third rounder from that draft so he’s more or less played up to expectations, if not slightly below.
I’m gunning for giving Justyn Ross a chance. That dude was clutch for Clemson.Anyone have a list of the top UDFA targets? Especially given Belichck’s talent at finding DB talent that goes undrafted I’m eager to see whether he takes some shots on defense there.
He was awesome before the injuries. The fact that he hasn’t even gotten an UDFA deal leads me to believe that teams don’t think he’ll ever be able to play due to the back stuff? But I don’t see any downside here, especially for a Pats team that needs young WR talent.I’m gunning for giving Justyn Ross a chance. That dude was clutch for Clemson.
I feel really bad for the kid. Would have been a 1st rounder if NFL allowed Freshmen to declare.I’m gunning for giving Justyn Ross a chance. That dude was clutch for Clemson.
Probably not honestly because the combine physical likely flags the neck issue but maybe teams would be more willing to draft him late without the performance decline, broken foot and terrible combineI feel really bad for the kid. Would have been a 1st rounder if NFL allowed Freshmen to declare.