2022 49ers -- Purdy..... Purdy..... Purdy Good

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Very curious to see what Bosa's extension is going to look like. At this point, he has to get more than TJ Watt, so $30M APY over 5 years with $90M guaranteed?
 

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Under the circumstances I think that was a very good game by the Niners.

No matter what, they usually struggle vs the Seahawks and especially in Seattle (I am losing track of stadium names).

The defense did a very good job except for that one quick drive in the 2nd half. Purdy made a colossal mistake that the Seahwaks let him off the hook on (the dropped INT) which might have changed momentum.

Seeing all of this, I have to wonder what happened vs Denver and vs Atlanta. Was it injuries?

They are one game behind Minnesota for the 2nd seed. How many starters do they rest going forward?
 

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Under the circumstances I think that was a very good game by the Niners.

No matter what, they usually struggle vs the Seahawks and especially in Seattle (I am losing track of stadium names).

The defense did a very good job except for that one quick drive in the 2nd half. Purdy made a colossal mistake that the Seahwaks let him off the hook on (the dropped INT) which might have changed momentum.

Seeing all of this, I have to wonder what happened vs Denver and vs Atlanta. Was it injuries?

They are one game behind Minnesota for the 2nd seed. How many starters do they rest going forward?
The Niners defense is just flat out awesome. Kind of reminds me of the Legion of Boom with how they play. If Jimmy G/Deebo can come back for the playoffs, this team could be a force. I think they would smoke Minnesota in a playoff game, regardless of location. I think they would match up quite well with Philly and Dallas.
 

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Bosa is so disruptive in addition to a bunch of other 9er playmakers on D. Every week it seems like he is just a mismatch for any opposing OL with his speed and strength. Opposing QBs he appear to know that the monster under the bed is real and you can see it in the plays. Its akin to watching other teams offenses play just like NE this season. No time to throw, pockets getting obliterated etc.

A ton of things can happen but a matchup involving SF and one of the elite teams in the AFC seems increasingly likely.
 

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The Niners defense is just flat out awesome. Kind of reminds me of the Legion of Boom with how they play. If Jimmy G/Deebo can come back for the playoffs, this team could be a force. I think they would smoke Minnesota in a playoff game, regardless of location. I think they would match up quite well with Philly and Dallas.
Those reports that Jimmy might come back were not very accurate. There's basically no chance of seeing him (maybe if somehow the 49ers make the super bowl AND Purdy somehow got hurt). This is Brock Purdy from here on out.

Deebo, will be back by the first playoff game though.
 

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If Jimmy was healthy, I'd have to think the Niners would be at least -5 in Minnesota which is almost impossible for a road divisional team, but it would definitely be deserved.
 

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Another thing that jumps out after watching the last couple games. CMC is just really really good at everything. And the defense knows it. Seattle worrying about CMC on a swing pass got Kittle wide open for his 2nd TD.

He also went for over 130 and a TD on his own.

I'm very happy with that trade so far.
 

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Another thing that jumps out after watching the last couple games. CMC is just really really good at everything. And the defense knows it. Seattle worrying about CMC on a swing pass got Kittle wide open for his 2nd TD.

He also went for over 130 and a TD on his own.

I'm very happy with that trade so far.
Nobody cares, I know, but in my fantasy league, one team in the playoffs has McCaffrey, Kittle, and Purdy. Started the day at 38% and finished the day at 63%. The dude playing him(highest ranked team without the bye) is pissed.

What a monumental game for the three of them, Kittle in particular. Kittle can go for 2 catches, 19 yards as easily as he can score to long TD runs. And it was his best game year to date. Good timing.
 

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Another thing that jumps out after watching the last couple games. CMC is just really really good at everything. And the defense knows it. Seattle worrying about CMC on a swing pass got Kittle wide open for his 2nd TD.

He also went for over 130 and a TD on his own.

I'm very happy with that trade so far.
You are happy? How about CMC?

I know that trade cost SF but given their roster it was a move that was begging to be made and that's before they knew their fate rested in Brockstar 2.0's magic hands. Given that development, Lynch et al have to even more pleased with the deal.
 
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You are happy? How about CMC?

I know that trade cost SF but given their roster it was a move that was begging to be made and that's before they knew their fate rested in Brockstar 2.0's magic hands. Given that development, Lynch et al have to even more pleased with the deal.
Niners are doing an excellent job promoting minority coaches and having those coaches get HC opportunities elsewhere. Allows them to add a bit more in trades. They’ll get picks again when Ryans gets a job this year (seems very likely). With that arsenal the trade for CMC makes even more sense.
 

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Another solid game from Purdy. The plan has to be to let Jimmy G walk and just have Purdy/Lance start with the other one serving as the backup, right?
 

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Another solid game from Purdy. The plan has to be to let Jimmy G walk and just have Purdy/Lance start with the other one serving as the backup, right?
I think that's definitely the plan. They're going to need to pay Bosa a zillion dollars and probably start thinking about Aiyuk, so they need to take advantage of the first year contracts for the QBs. I still think Lance gets the nod to start next year, but it wouldn't shock me if Purdy becomes the new Cousins for Kyle.
 

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Man, they were 3-4 after getting crushed by the Chiefs. Looked like they were going nowhere. Now they've ripped off eight straight, winning by an average of 16.6 points a game.

They really are a wrecking crew. The defense has allowed just 12.1 points a game over this eight game stretch while forcing nearly 2 turnovers a game (and only committing 4 turnovers over that same eight game stretch).

Essentially they are doing what I'm sure BB was hoping the Patriots would do - have a lights out defense, a really good running game, and a turnover-free offense. I know this is modern football, but SF is showing that you can still win with that formula.
 

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Man, they were 3-4 after getting crushed by the Chiefs. Looked like they were going nowhere. Now they've ripped off eight straight, winning by an average of 16.6 points a game.

They really are a wrecking crew. The defense has allowed just 12.1 points a game over this eight game stretch while forcing nearly 2 turnovers a game (and only committing 4 turnovers over that same eight game stretch).

Essentially they are doing what I'm sure BB was hoping the Patriots would do - have a lights out defense, a really good running game, and a turnover-free offense. I know this is modern football, but SF is showing that you can still win with that formula.
Every year a team wins a lot of games in the regular season using that formula, just look at the Titans for reference in the AFC in recent years. Now come playoff time I'm highly skeptical the 9ers can go all the way with that kind of team, don't think their defense is 2015 Broncos level great.
 

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Every year a team wins a lot of games in the regular season using that formula, just look at the Titans for reference in the AFC in recent years. Now come playoff time I'm highly skeptical the 9ers can go all the way with that kind of team, don't think their defense is 2015 Broncos level great.
Based on current seedlings, Niners are looking at hosting the Giants and then traveling to Minnesota. I could see them doing that. Beating Philly or Dallas survivor won’t be easy with Purdy but if they play Dallas, at least it would be at home. I think they briefly trailed against Miami but otherwise haven’t really faced a ton of adversity with Purdy as the starter. Would be interesting to see how he would handle, say, a 10-0 deficit.
 

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The Niners aren't built to come back from a big deficit, kind of like how Tennessee hasn't been built that way. So it's important that they stay close to whoever they play in the playoffs. But I could see them being a tough matchup for the Eagles for sure. I would heavily favor SF against the Giants and Vikings.
 

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Based on current seedlings, Niners are looking at hosting the Giants and then traveling to Minnesota. I could see them doing that. Beating Philly or Dallas survivor won’t be easy with Purdy but if they play Dallas, at least it would be at home. I think they briefly trailed against Miami but otherwise haven’t really faced a ton of adversity with Purdy as the starter. Would be interesting to see how he would handle, say, a 10-0 deficit.
I think the Cowboys, the Eagles and any of the top three seeds in the AFC could have them on the ropes early.
 

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Every year a team wins a lot of games in the regular season using that formula, just look at the Titans for reference in the AFC in recent years. Now come playoff time I'm highly skeptical the 9ers can go all the way with that kind of team, don't think their defense is 2015 Broncos level great.
didn’t this team basically do just that last year (I mean I get that they lost on the NFC championship when Tartt dropped the easy INT, but they were right there).

and their O and D are both actually better this year.

I’m not sure they can compete with the AFC teams, and if that’s the argument I’m with you, but I see a clear path to the Super Bowl.
 

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didn’t this team basically do just that last year (I mean I get that they lost on the NFC championship when Tartt dropped the easy INT, but they were right there).

and their O and D are both actually better this year.

I’m not sure they can compete with the AFC teams, and if that’s the argument I’m with you, but I see a clear path to the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I think they are the best team in the NFC, unless Hurts is healthy, then they are maybe #2. I am not sure they can hang with the top the AFC either as they were relatively healthy when the Chiefs ran them out of Levis--that was a complete beatdown.
I watch of 49ers football and go to several games; it sounds like some are underestimating how good they really are. Their defense is amazing, especially the front 7. They have an opportunistic secondary. They have amazing skill guys and a great running game. Purdy is also much better than most 7th round picks.
 

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Man, they were 3-4 after getting crushed by the Chiefs. Looked like they were going nowhere. Now they've ripped off eight straight, winning by an average of 16.6 points a game.

They really are a wrecking crew. The defense has allowed just 12.1 points a game over this eight game stretch while forcing nearly 2 turnovers a game (and only committing 4 turnovers over that same eight game stretch).

Essentially they are doing what I'm sure BB was hoping the Patriots would do - have a lights out defense, a really good running game, and a turnover-free offense. I know this is modern football, but SF is showing that you can still win with that formula.
That 3-4 stretch inclueded an 11-10 loss to Denver, an inexplicable loss where the Atlanta offense had their way with them and a loss to the Bears in a monsoon.

The water mark for me is the loss vs the Chiefs. If it meant the defense made the adjustments leading to what we have now then they can beat any team. They still have a path to the # 2 seed--winning out (which should not be that hard with the Raiders and Cardinals remaining on their schedule) and have the Vikings lose 1 game. That would mean 2 home games and a clear path to the NFCCG. Hell, they even have a (less realistic and more like a pipe dream) path to the # 1 seed.

We'll see, but this is a fun ride and a fun team to watch this year.
 

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Ok, so this was a “test” so to speak.

Jake Stidham lit them up. The Niners had not allowed these many points in forever. The defense did come through in the end though.

Also, Purdy playing with a 10 point deficit was another “test”.

I think this had a very high probability of being a let down game.
 

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Also, I can’t remember a game where the 49ers had so many costly penalties (e.g., Fred Warner) and they still won. Purdy had some hiccups but he definitely looks poised to lead the team on a playoff run.
 

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I think it was a really good sign that Purdy could come back from a 10-point second half deficit and lead what amounted to 2 go-ahead drives (despite Gould missing the 41-yarder as time expired).

Also nice that the 49ers could win a game when the defense didn’t play well (and adams did). No panic, Purdy made all the needed throws to win the game.

they’re now the 2 seed with a chance at the bye if the eagles lose to the giants and SF beats Arizona. Not likely, but still possible (both games in the 4 o’clock window next week).

I think we’ll see Deebo back in this offense next week as well.
 

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Based on current seedlings, Niners are looking at hosting the Giants and then traveling to Minnesota. I could see them doing that. Beating Philly or Dallas survivor won’t be easy with Purdy but if they play Dallas, at least it would be at home. I think they briefly trailed against Miami but otherwise haven’t really faced a ton of adversity with Purdy as the starter. Would be interesting to see how he would handle, say, a 10-0 deficit.
Funny I was just re-reading this thread and came to your last line.

Last week he was down 10 in the second half and came back to win. Shanahan is calling plays for Purdy that he wasn't for Lance or Jimmy. It's an interesting scenario going into the playoffs as I think the offense is only starting to find it's groove.
 

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Funny I was just re-reading this thread and came to your last line.

Last week he was down 10 in the second half and came back to win. Shanahan is calling plays for Purdy that he wasn't for Lance or Jimmy. It's an interesting scenario going into the playoffs as I think the offense is only starting to find it's groove.
Yup. He'll obviously be facing much tougher defenses in the playoffs than the Raiders but the drive right after the Adams bomb TD to take it to 24-14 Raiders was impressive. And he's doing this without Deebo. I have no idea what Purdy's ultimate ceiling is but he's been blowing past my expectations of him. Will be interesting to see how the nerves are come playoff time but the Niners are absolutely in the mix here, even with their 3rd string QB, which is really impressive for the coaching staff.
 

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All things equal in good conditions I’d think the niners didn’t have much to worry about this weekend. They’re just a better team than Seattle.

So, of course, the weather could be a big equalizer. Looks to be possible monsoon conditions in Santa Clara on Saturday:

https://www.knbr.com/2023/01/10/49ers-notebook-wild-weather-in-store-for-saturday/

Hopefully the running game and defense can hold up in the conditions.
 

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All things equal in good conditions I’d think the niners didn’t have much to worry about this weekend. They’re just a better team than Seattle.

So, of course, the weather could be a big equalizer. Looks to be possible monsoon conditions in Santa Clara on Saturday:

https://www.knbr.com/2023/01/10/49ers-notebook-wild-weather-in-store-for-saturday/

Hopefully the running game and defense can hold up in the conditions.
Bleh, of course. Hopefully they took away some lessons from that Bears game to open the year.
 

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All things equal in good conditions I’d think the niners didn’t have much to worry about this weekend. They’re just a better team than Seattle.

So, of course, the weather could be a big equalizer. Looks to be possible monsoon conditions in Santa Clara on Saturday:

https://www.knbr.com/2023/01/10/49ers-notebook-wild-weather-in-store-for-saturday/

Hopefully the running game and defense can hold up in the conditions.
Good article. I like that they cited three different weather forecasters in case one or two of them might just mail it in. It has been raining in the Bay Area almost every day for two weeks and forecast for rain continues into Saturday and Sunday. Good thing they're not playing at the old Candlestick Park (demolished) whose field level was below sea level. Levi has to have better drainage, no brainer. I'd be most worried about the wind gusts, bet they'll be worse than 29 mph. I'm five miles away and gusts have been much worse with the same weather. 49ers should play it close to the vest, and Purdy hopefully continues to play smart.
 

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Well the good news is the Niners have a great running game (much better than they had when they played Chicago in a monsoon) and the Seahwaks have an attrocious run defense.

Also, if the passing game is diminished it helps the 9ers.
 

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I'm curious for other 49er fans - what moves the needle for you on Lance next year? For me, he's still the favorite to start next year. If Purdy makes the NFCCG, things get more interesting.
 

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Oh man, that's why Shanahan and Lynch get paid the big bucks. Still, if Purdy continues to lead them to wins, I don't know how you bench him. I've actually seen very little of Lance, but the coaching staff has. Again, it's on them. Good problem to have.
 

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I'm curious for other 49er fans - what moves the needle for you on Lance next year? For me, he's still the favorite to start next year. If Purdy makes the NFCCG, things get more interesting.
I think a deep playoff run or even just the situation not being too big for Purdy could lead to an open honest camp competition.
 

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Definitely a good problem tp have.

The big question is do they have a competition for the starting job or not?

Purdy could very well take them to the NFCCG and even the Super Bowl, and that will create controversy.

One important thing is Purdy is soroounded by great to elite talent, and seems to be great at running Shanahan's system. We don't yet know if Lance will be good at it.

Can Lance be traded to get some nice draft picks? Would Lynch make that move?
 

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Definitely a good problem tp have.

The big question is do they have a competition for the starting job or not?

Purdy could very well take them to the NFCCG and even the Super Bowl, and that will create controversy.

One important thing is Purdy is soroounded by great to elite talent, and seems to be great at running Shanahan's system. We don't yet know if Lance will be good at it.

Can Lance be traded to get some nice draft picks? Would Lynch make that move?
I think they'd consider it if Purdy represents the Kirk Cousins to Lance as RG3 in Kyle's mind. He's been bizarrely chasing Kirk for years to recapture what they had in DC. However, I doubt they'd receive any real value for Lance at this point since he hasn't played. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder (?), which doesn't make it worth it in my opinion.
 

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I could see a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st based on certain criteria for sure. Carson Wentz, who was totally broken coming out of Philly, still netted them a 1st (conditional) and a 3rd, and then the Colts were able to get a 3rd that could've been a 2nd plus a 3rd from Washington the year after. I feel like if Wentz could net those teams that well then Lance could probably get equal if not better from some QB starved team.

I'm still just shocked that Purdy is doing so well. I mean yeah there's a ton of talent all around him but he's still a 7th round draft pick and he looks like a seasoned veteran out there. It's going to be very interesting to see how things shake out here in the playoffs.
 

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I think they'd consider it if Purdy represents the Kirk Cousins to Lance as RG3 in Kyle's mind. He's been bizarrely chasing Kirk for years to recapture what they had in DC. However, I doubt they'd receive any real value for Lance at this point since he hasn't played. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder (?), which doesn't make it worth it in my opinion.
That's the wrinkle. Maybe Purdy is better for Shanahan's system (provided he has the weapons and he does now).

But then again, they gave up a haul to be able to draft Lance (I think it was a known quantity that Lawrence and Wilson were going 1 and 2 in the 2021 draft) which gives me hope that Shanahan and company can work with him too.
Would a team that really needs a QB give up a lot even if he has not played a full season? That is the question.
 

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Maybe the play is for SF to trade Purdy? Kinda reminds me of AJ Feeley back in 2003ish with Philly. McNabb and the backup both went down and Feeley, a 5th round pick, played well and went 4-1, and in that offseason the Eagles traded him for a 2nd to Miami where he did pretty well. Or Matt Schwab who filled in for Mike Vick in Atlanta then was traded for two 2nd rounders the year after.

edit - just looked it up - Schwab 'played' 17 seasons in the NFL and was on that 2020 Falcons team. Who knew?
 

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I could see a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st based on certain criteria for sure. Carson Wentz, who was totally broken coming out of Philly, still netted them a 1st (conditional) and a 3rd, and then the Colts were able to get a 3rd that could've been a 2nd plus a 3rd from Washington the year after. I feel like if Wentz could net those teams that well then Lance could probably get equal if not better from some QB starved team.

I'm still just shocked that Purdy is doing so well. I mean yeah there's a ton of talent all around him but he's still a 7th round draft pick and he looks like a seasoned veteran out there. It's going to be very interesting to see how things shake out here in the playoffs.
A lot of people were shocked by a 6th rounder too (TFB12). Maybe Purdy was hidden at Iowa State. The were just 7-6 his senior year.
 

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A lot of people were shocked by a 6th rounder too (TFB12). Maybe Purdy was hidden at Iowa State. The were just 7-6 his senior year.
At least Brady had a full season of learning and watching under his belt. This Purdy story is just amazing to me.
 

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At least Brady had a full season of learning and watching under his belt. This Purdy story is just amazing to me.
Sure, as a fourth string quarterback (Bledsoe, Michael Bishop and John Friesz ahead of him). As a fourth QB, Belichick had to protect him from being plucked off the team by another team, I forget by what mechanism.

Joe Montana far exceeded expectations. Third round pick, like Tom didn't have a cannon of an arm, was considered skinny for a football player and an injury risk, and like Tom wasn't planned to be the starting QB in college all the way through. So, you're either from the Bay Area or you play for the 49ers in these things.
 

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Despite what some were saying in the game thread, that was just a crazy impressive performance from Purdy in my opinion. 7th round rookie and he just went for 300+ yards 3 passing tds and a rush td in the playoffs.

His most impressive play/throw actually might have been the incompletion to BA in the end zone. But he bought himself time and got to ball to the open man. That might sound simple, but Jimmy couldn't do what Brock just did. I also think Shanahan trusts him way more. Jimmy would have gotten the all runs treatment in the second half. Purdy, also got a lot of play action rollouts which kept being successful. The O line played great, but 40 plus points is your QB doing the right things.

I'm a bit shocked to how good this kid is in his 7th game.
 

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Despite what some were saying in the game thread, that was just a crazy impressive performance from Purdy in my opinion. 7th round rookie and he just went for 300+ yards 3 passing tds and a rush td in the playoffs.

His most impressive play/throw actually might have been the incompletion to BA in the end zone. But he bought himself time and got to ball to the open man. That might sound simple, but Jimmy couldn't do what Brock just did. I also think Shanahan trusts him way more. Jimmy would have gotten the all runs treatment in the second half. Purdy, also got a lot of play action rollouts which kept being successful. The O line played great, but 40 plus points is your QB doing the right things.

I'm a bit shocked to how good this kid is in his 7th game.
Yeah, that play to BA was one that like two or three QBs in the league could do. In fact, the only one I am sure could do it is Mahomes. Just a crazy play.
 

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Despite what some were saying in the game thread, that was just a crazy impressive performance from Purdy in my opinion. 7th round rookie and he just went for 300+ yards 3 passing tds and a rush td in the playoffs.

His most impressive play/throw actually might have been the incompletion to BA in the end zone. But he bought himself time and got to ball to the open man. That might sound simple, but Jimmy couldn't do what Brock just did. I also think Shanahan trusts him way more. Jimmy would have gotten the all runs treatment in the second half. Purdy, also got a lot of play action rollouts which kept being successful. The O line played great, but 40 plus points is your QB doing the right things.

I'm a bit shocked to how good this kid is in his 7th game.
I thought he was really antsy in the pocket and had bad footwork in the first half, which led to a lot of bailing before pressure and poor throws, but settled down in the second half and was nails. I think the whole "anyone can do that" stuff is really unfair to him because he doesn't just give the 9ers the schemed stuff, he's shown an ability to create out of structure as well.
 

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I thought he was really antsy in the pocket and had bad footwork in the first half, which led to a lot of bailing before pressure and poor throws, but settled down in the second half and was nails. I think the whole "anyone can do that" stuff is really unfair to him because he doesn't just give the 9ers the schemed stuff, he's shown an ability to create out of structure as well.
Really impressive what he is doing but I wonder if the creating out of structure is going to get him in trouble. He seems to like to reset his throwing foundation close to the sideline which takes a lot of time and will end up with him taking some big hits. If he just threw on the run instead of fully setting his feet he'd protect himself more. I admit I haven't seen him play much so perhaps last night was just trying to do a little bit more in the playoffs but I was really surprised how many times he tried to get a big play off right at the sideline. He nearly took a couple big hits as a result and a team with a better pass rush will likely get to him if he does something similar.
 

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Really impressive what he is doing but I wonder if the creating out of structure is going to get him in trouble. He seems to like to reset his throwing foundation close to the sideline which takes a lot of time and will end up with him taking some big hits. If he just threw on the run instead of fully setting his feet he'd protect himself more. I admit I haven't seen him play much so perhaps last night was just trying to do a little bit more in the playoffs but I was really surprised how many times he tried to get a big play off right at the sideline. He nearly took a couple big hits as a result and a team with a better pass rush will likely get to him if he does something similar.
Problem is (if it is a problem) that Purdy often rolls out to the left to escape pressure and it's hard for a right handed QB to throw on the run when rolling left. Throwing across his body and all that.