2022-2023 General Celtics thread

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Espn started releasing their top 100 list, up until 25. The list is atrocious lol, but here’s where Celtics ranked.

99 Grant
87 Brogdon
70 Al
58 Rob
34 Smart.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34552302/nbarank-2022-ranking-best-players-2022-23-100-26

CBS is a bit better of a list overall, and they have the whole top 100.

65 Al
63 Brogdon
56 Rob
45 Smart
19 Jaylen
9 Tatum

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-top-100-player-rankings-giannis-stephen-curry-kevin-durant-vie-for-no-1-lebron-james-slips/
 

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Interesting that ESPN used paired comparison and CBS used some kind of weighted mean (lightly weighted probably).

Paired comparison is a great technique, if the appropriate rigor is used (it probably wasn't). Regardless, that's a lot of top-100 players.
 

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Interesting that ESPN used paired comparison and CBS used some kind of weighted mean (lightly weighted probably).

Paired comparison is a great technique, if the appropriate rigor is used (it probably wasn't). Regardless, that's a lot of top-100 players.
The idea of what espn tried makes sense, I just don’t think it worked. None of these lists will ever be close to perfect, but there’s some funky ass rankings on their list.
 

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The idea of what espn tried makes sense, I just don’t think it worked. None of these lists will ever be close to perfect, but there’s some funky ass rankings on their list.
Yeah it's going to be tough to get a good enough sample of paired comparisons for it to be worthwhile. The CBS approach--when you have limited participation from people--will definitely be more accurate.

edit: FWIW, I've used paired comparisons with small sets of data, and it's fantastic.
 

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I didn't find the ESPN list that bad; Marcus Smart is pretty high, but I expected it to be way worse. Why didn't you like it?
 

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I didn't find the ESPN list that bad; Marcus Smart is pretty high, but I expected it to be way worse. Why didn't you like it?
Wiggins at 32 feels way too high, I’d take Garland (46) above him without hesitation. Bane at 69 seems pretty low, especially with Poole at 55. Klay being top 40 is weird, don’t think he showed nearly enough for that. Smart seems too high, and a few other head scratchers.

I hate criticizing rankings, but it just seems all over the place.
 

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Well that’s some very unfortunate news….

Probably a clean up, meniscus trim, maybe remove some loose bodies.

Let’s hope the arthritis is not bad. Egh.
 

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Timing and recurrence of need in that knee both somewhat worrisome.

Celts probably need to bite the bullet on a veteran big now; I've been ok with them seeing what Kornet. Kabengele, Vonleh etc do but they are really thin at the 5 now.

I know Hassan Whiteside has fans around here; I'd personally rather go Cody Zeller, but the possibility there's real minutes available for a while makes Whiteside a better gamble than before in my book. Too bad Theis is not eligble for Cs :)
 
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Timing and recurrence of need in that knee both somewhat worrisome.

Celts probably need to bite the bullet on a veteran big now; I've been ok with them seeing what Kornet. Kabengele, Vonleh etc do but they are really thin at the 5 now.

I know Hassan Whiteside has fans around here; I'd personally rather go Cody Zeller, but the possibility there's real minutes available for a while makes Whiteside a better gamble than before in my book. Too bad Theis is not eligble for Cs :)
What about Dwight Howard?
 

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My thought is if Kornet wasn't good enough to get a contract most of last year and never played once he did, he isn't good enough this year either, especially with the thinner front court. Al's a year older and wore down really bad at points in the season when he went too many minutes. They need to sign someone who can give reliable minutes.
 

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What about Dwight Howard?
I personally don't have enough confidence in his head/how he plays with others to want to bother with him. I get he has had a couple years of being an effective bench guy, but I just worry about him on this team with a pretty young core. Others may worry less about that, I realize, as with Whiteside....
 

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My thought is if Kornet wasn't good enough to get a contract most of last year and never played once he did, he isn't good enough this year either, especially with the thinner front court. Al's a year older and wore down really bad at points in the season when he went too many minutes. They need to sign someone who can give reliable minutes.
Agree 100%. Kornet is a fine end of the bench garbage time big, but you can’t run him out there for meaningful minutes, even during the start of the regular season. It’s just unbelievable how this team cannot get over the injury hump. Hopefully no long term issues for Rob, but persistent knee issues for someone whose game is built on freak athleticism doesn’t seem great.
 

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My thought is if Kornet wasn't good enough to get a contract most of last year and never played once he did, he isn't good enough this year either, especially with the thinner front court. Al's a year older and wore down really bad at points in the season when he went too many minutes. They need to sign someone who can give reliable minutes.
I like the Cody Zeller idea.

EDIT: Scratch that.

View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1572335843599323138
 
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Gabagool!!! We hardly knew ye...

On Timelord: man, that sucks. Love that guy. Can't help but wonder how different things might be if they had gone the Jaren Jackson Jr. / James Wiseman "full-year total meniscal repair" route as opposed to "partial removal and get back on the floor ASAP." (Or whatever it was; paging Rad Sox, as always). Of course, JJJ is now hurt again and Wiseman could easily be next, so who TF knows.
 

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Wow. I’m all for allowing enough grey area in the “public health v individual liberty” question to allow for free expression and reasonable disagreement. But: “one of the biggest violations of HUMAN RIGHTS in history” is positively Trumpian (right down to the use of all caps). In history? C’mon, Jaylen, crack that history book.

Edit: yeah, the original tweet is Kyrie’s, but we know he’s a lost cause. JB should know better.
 

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He turned to the guy during a press conference and literally said "I hate you." Was he joking because it sure seemed like he was being serious?
 

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Gabagool!!! We hardly knew ye...

On Timelord: man, that sucks. Love that guy. Can't help but wonder how different things might be if they had gone the Jaren Jackson Jr. / James Wiseman "full-year total meniscal repair" route as opposed to "partial removal and get back on the floor ASAP." (Or whatever it was; paging Rad Sox, as always). Of course, JJJ is now hurt again and Wiseman could easily be next, so who TF knows.
I'd love to hear rad's opinion on this too, but from what I know, you always try the conservative approach to meniscus if it's an option. Sometimes it's clear that you need to do a repair repair, but that comes fraught with a lot of risk. If trimming is an option per scan, then you try that shit every time and see how it goes. Downside risk is that you end up needing to do the bigger procedure eventually anyway.
 

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Timing on the surgery means he recently re-injured it? Because why not do it sooner if he didn’t?
Globe article mentioned he experienced soreness when he started ramping up his pre-camp workouts. It's less of a "reinjury" than it is the rest alone was not sufficient.
 

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He turned to the guy during a press conference and literally said "I hate you." Was he joking because it sure seemed like he was being serious?
I remember thinking it was unclear at the time, although I deeply wanted it to be serious. I thought there was some laughter involved which could have been interpreted as uncomfortable or friendly, depending on your biases.
 

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So with Timelord out for a minute, does Ime go small ball more often? Or does he give all those reserve bigs minutes?

Smart/Brogdon/Jays/AL with PP and White isn't terrible.
 

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So with Timelord out for a minute, does Ime go small ball more often? Or does he give all those reserve bigs minutes?

Smart/Brogdon/Jays/AL with PP and White isn't terrible.
They may close with that unit but I think Ime will be very cautious with minutes early in the season. Better to lose an extra few games than run these guys down.
 

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I have been yelling at them for years that Kyzuzu's exit doesn't change the need for an exorcism. They really need to get a priest, rabbi, imam, whatever in there to do a complete spiritual cleansing.
 

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Tomorrow is media day for the Celtics. Not much to talk about this year after an uneventful offseason.