2020 Coaching Carousel: #AnyoneButMcDaniels

[djbayko]

I don’t understand why it’s “not good”.

Seems like his heel turn in Indianapolis combined with the Patriots’ poor offensive showing this season have spooked owners and considerably cooled McDaniels’ head coaching job prospects. I’m sure he will get consideration for a job in the not too distant future though. There is so much turnover among NFL head coaches and only so many qualified candidates.

Why is everyone assuming that just because McDaniels didn’t leave Cleveland with the job already in hand that it isn’t happening? Maybe the Browns just wanted some time to make sure of their decision and always planned for it to be that way. Maybe they’ve already come to a hand shake agreement with Josh and are delaying the announcement for one reason or another.

Josh may not be the next Browns head coach, but I don’t read much into the fact that we didn’t have a press conference on Friday.

 

[ShaneTrot]

I fully expect Haslam to fuck this up. He is a ne'er-do-well and possibly a criminal. He went full analytics and horded draft picks, how many of those picks worked out? He has hired poorly. He hired Dorsey, who's MO seems to be character doesn't matter as long as you are good athlete and can play. How did that work out? The Browns only hope is he bumbles his way into a good GM-Head coach situation.

 

[bigq]

Maybe the Browns just wanted some time to make sure of their decision and always planned for it to be that way. Maybe they’ve already come to a hand shake agreement with Josh and are delaying the announcement for one reason or another.

Josh may not be the next Browns head coach, but I don’t read much into the fact that we didn’t have a press conference on Friday.

Perhaps and either way it wouldn’t be particularly surprising. My thought coming into this off season and learning that Josh was going to be interviewing for head coaching positions was that he would likely land a job. The probability of that happening is considerably lower now than it was just a week ago. That is where my comment was coming from.

 

[JerBear]

Browns hiring Stefanski per Schefter and RapSheet.

 

[BigSoxFan]

So that’s it for Josh, right?

 

[ifmanis5]

Rex Ryan is gushing over the guy on ESPN.
Josh comes crawling back?

 

[DJnVa]

Browns hiring Stefanski per Schefter and RapSheet.

Might be a good hire, I really don't know, but the Vikings offense had some issues earlier in the season.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

feels like the Browns were focused on Stefanski all along? runner-up last year.

McD was Giants or bust and Judge jumped over him

 

[luckiestman]

Browns hiring Stefanski per Schefter and RapSheet.

This makes something I saw on Browns Twitter or Reddit last night so funny.

Someone posted

“Vikings had 7 three and outs today.....Welcome to Cleveland Kevin Stefanski!”

 

[tims4wins]

Fucking A. Combined with last night this is awesome news. A KC loss today and it’s a perfect weekend.

 

[shawnrbu]

McD was Giants or bust and Judge jumped over him

On the recommendation of his current boss. That is going to be a frosty meeting room.

 

[bankshot1]

OCing the Pats for $4m isn't the worst fall-back in the world for the rejected Josh McD,

That's assuming BB is still speaking with him.

 

[DJnVa]

Fucking A. Combined with last night this is awesome news. A KC loss today and it’s a perfect weekend.

Oh, with Baltimore and NE out, the NFL will not allow KC to lose today...

 

[RedOctober3829]

Might be a good hire, I really don't know, but the Vikings offense had some issues earlier in the season.

Shows me DePodesta is running the show in Cleveland. He wanted to hire Stefanski last year.

 

[nattysez]

On the recommendation of his current boss. That is going to be a frosty meeting room.

Meh - he answered truthfully when asked about Judge. It's not his job to interject his thoughts about McDaniels into a discussion about Judge.

 

[tims4wins]

Meh - he answered truthfully when asked about Judge. It's not his job to interject his thoughts about McDaniels into a discussion about Judge.

Seriously- if the Giants had true interest in McD they would have, ya know, interviewed him.

 

[DJnVa]

Shows me DePodesta is running the show in Cleveland. He wanted to hire Stefanski last year.

Additionally, you'd think a dome offense with Cook, Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph would have scored more than the "broken down" Patriots.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I just hope McDaniels freshens up the playbook. I know ... weapons ... but some of the Patriots bread-and-butter looks were shut down last season

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I just hope McDaniels freshens up the playbook. I know ... weapons ... but some of the Patriots bread-and-butter looks were shut down last season

agreed. I’m higher on McD than many here, but some new ideas/new looks would be welcome.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

McDaniels is a fantastic OC and we’re lucky to have him. Replacing him would have been difficult and disruptive in the short term.

I mean, he threw the kitchen sink at defenses down the stretch (how many screens, misdirections and trick plays were they running?), so I’m not seeing lack of creativity as a problem. Sure, he’s made questionable calls like the FB dive with Roberts on a third and 1 v TEN, but what OC doesn’t? Hell, people dump on Andy Reid - one of the top offensive minds in football over two decades plus - for getting too pass happy at times. It was particularly bad for Reid in the early to mid 00s when ‘RUN THE BALL’ was a quasi religion in much of the fandom/coaching ranks/sports media.

I’m thrilled.

 

[ifmanis5]

I just hope McDaniels freshens up the playbook. I know ... weapons ... but some of the Patriots bread-and-butter looks were shut down last season

This for sure. The good teams figured out how predictable things got which is why they had to resort to so many gadget plays. I'd think that Brady would (demand to) have some input here as far as new schemes if he decides to return.

 

[Van Everyman]

Ehh, a lot of the looks themselves probably had to do with personnel limitations. McDaniels and Brady are an excellent tandem at running this offense. Just hoping we get to see it again.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Ehh, a lot of the looks themselves probably had to do with personnel limitations. McDaniels and Brady are an excellent tandem at running this offense. Just hoping we get to see it again.

They had sub replacement level talent at TE and WR was a mess for a variety of reasons.

Virtually every shot play they executed down the stretch was off a misdirection or outright trick play.

 

[bankshot1]

IMO the Pats offense got hit with about a perfect storm of what the fuck next will break-down/fuck-up. I don't put a lot of that on Josh. Hell we saw more gadgets in the last few weeks than the last several years. He was looking for anything they could squeeze for yards.

 

[Van Everyman]

They had sub replacement level talent at TE and WR was a mess for a variety of reasons.

Virtually every shot play they executed down the stretch was off a misdirection or outright trick play.

And they also had an OL that was a work in progress. Outside of Roberts, to say this wasn’t a typical Belichick team where lots of guys guys were comfortable doing multiple roles would be an understatement to say the least.

 

[tims4wins]

Offense didn’t look bad weeks 1-3 until Edelman got hurt the first time. Brady was at like 270 YPG with 7 TD and 0 INT. The injuries then piled up etc. I love Josh.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Ehh, a lot of the looks themselves probably had to do with personnel limitations.

Most likely true, particularly since defenses could focus enormously on Edelman and White with no one else capable of hurting them

 

[soxhop411]

Shows me DePodesta is running the show in Cleveland. He wanted to hire Stefanski last year.

Bingo.
Josh wanted “sweeping organizational changes” And the browns said no.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1216414626746970114

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Seems like Josh knows it is only a matter of time and that he might not get a do over if it doesn’t go well. There are jobs every year and he will often be a candidate. He is smart to look for a gig that is the way he thinks it needs to be for success.

it’s possible the problem with the Browns was just Kitchens. Just speaking as a casual fan on the outside looking in, what that team needs is an enema.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

They had sub replacement level talent at TE and WR was a mess for a variety of reasons.

Virtually every shot play they executed down the stretch was off a misdirection or outright trick play.

My misread—agree with above!

 

[johnmd20]

Bingo.
Josh wanted “sweeping organizational changes” And the browns said no.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1216414626746970114

The Browns have been a great team for a while, you have to understand their desire to avoid change.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

that’s just not true as to WR though. Edelman is a plus WR in slot. Sanu is clearly a legit NFL starter. Harry was a 1st round pick this past year. One can debate if they were sub replacement in second tier—Dorsett/Meyers. But it’s just wrong that the starters were. Now, injuries, late starts, etc matter too but I wouldn’t overstate the talent gap

TE I agree was horrible.

I don’t think they are bereft of talent, I think the performance of several players was bad but for different reasons.

For instance, I don’t think Sanu is inherently a bad player with no hope of becoming a valuable part of the offense. The evidence doesn’t support that view, unless the last couple of months outweighs years of productive play.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Yes, agreed—I misread your first post. WR was definitely messed up, and one can debate whether they should have known coming into season they needed more there or not.

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

Josh may want not want to keep passing on too many more opportunities. Not sure how much bloom will be left on the rose if the Pats have a 7-9 season with Stidham and the narrative becomes Josh was only good because of peak Brady.

 

[RG33]

I am in the camp of being very glad that Josh will be coming back — it makes it significantly more likely that both TB12 and Dante come back for 2020 in my opinion, and I think that is the best situation for this team to be contenders the next 2-3 years. Let’s give Harry and Harris full camps/preseasons, shore up the offensive line, find a TE that can run fucking routes, and see what we can do with some veteran WRs.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Josh may want not want to keep passing on too many more opportunities. Not sure how much bloom will be left on the rose if the Pats have a 7-9 season with Stidham and the narrative becomes Josh was only good because of peak Brady.

Looks like the opportunities are passing on him. He should have taken the Indy job unless it is 100% certain he’s BB’s heir apparent. You always take the HC job when it’s available to you.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Bingo.
Josh wanted “sweeping organizational changes” And the browns said no.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1216414626746970114

Maybe Haslam misunderstood:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/067b9094-6238-48d2-8e30-71bf5125da68

 

[PedroKsBambino]

My respect for McD goes up if he told them they needed sweeping organizational changes for him to take the gig---because, they absolutely do.

 

[Jimbodandy]

My respect for McD goes up if he told them they needed sweeping organizational changes for him to take the gig---because, they absolutely do.

Exactly. I have respect for him not taking either of those jobs.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I think McDaniels has played this fine. He is only 43 and has another 20 years in the league. But he cant afford to jump into a bad situation and flame out, because that would be twice and he probably wouldn’t get a third chance.

 

[tims4wins]

Looks like the opportunities are passing on him. He should have taken the Indy job unless it is 100% certain he’s BB’s heir apparent. You always take the HC job when it’s available to you.

I couldn't disagree more. Look at guys like Rex and Mangini. You don't just jump back in immediately. You find the right spot, and you succeed.

Edit: and as @Morgan's Magic Snowplow points out, he is 43. It's one thing for a guy like Romeo to take the Browns job in 2005 - that might have been his only real chance. Josh will have more chances.

 

[E5 Yaz]

"sweeping organizational changes" means what ... and i realize we probably won't find out

Dorsey's gone, so the shot-caller is a void at the moment. Does it mean being rid of the OBJs and Hunts of the world?

 

[BigSoxFan]

I couldn't disagree more. Look at guys like Rex and Mangini. You don't just jump back in immediately. You find the right spot, and you succeed.

Edit: and as @Morgan's Magic Snowplow points out, he is 43. It's one thing for a guy like Romeo to take the Browns job in 2005 - that might have been his only real chance. Josh will have more chances.

And I couldn’t disagree with your disagreement more. The Indy job was a good one. Good roster and tons of cap space. Even without Luck, that is a good position. What exactly is he waiting for?

 

[E5 Yaz]

And I couldn’t disagree with your disagreement more. The Indy job was a good one. Good roster and tons of cap space. Even without Luck, that is a good position. What exactly is he waiting for?

Patriots job to open

 

[tims4wins]

And I couldn’t disagree with your disagreement more. The Indy job was a good one. Good roster and tons of cap space. Even without Luck, that is a good position. What exactly is he waiting for?

Not a completely insane owner? Overall I agree though that was a solid situation

 

[BigSoxFan]

Patriots job to open

Which was my point above. If he is the heir apparent, of course you don’t leave. But he was just interviewing with Cleveland so is he? We obviously have no idea what the arrangement is but Cleveland certainly isn’t the job you leave for. Yet, he was willing to explore it.

I know Irsay is a bit of a nut but Indy is a good franchise with a good history and he would have had a solid roster with a ton of cap space. That was a good opportunity for him. Glad he turned it down obviously.

 

[RedOctober3829]

"sweeping organizational changes" means what ... and i realize we probably won't find out

Dorsey's gone, so the shot-caller is a void at the moment. Does it mean being rid of the OBJs and Hunts of the world?

No, it probably meant Paul DePodesta being out and Dave Ziegler and his guys being in. Hiring Stefanski means DePodesta got his guy and will probably be the guy that the GM reports to.

 

[OurF'ingCity]

Which was my point above. If he is the heir apparent, of course you don’t leave. But he was just interviewing with Cleveland so is he? We obviously have no idea what the arrangement is but Cleveland certainly isn’t the job you leave for. Yet, he was willing to explore it.

I know Irsay is a bit of a nut but Indy is a good franchise with a good history and he would have had a solid roster with a ton of cap space. That was a good opportunity for him. Glad he turned it down obviously.

Yeah I assume the deal is something like "you're our first choice if/when Bill retires, but go ahead and interview and if you find something you think is ideal for you take it." But you're right, the Colts thing is weird because is he really ever going to find a better situation than that going into his first year?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Giants bringing Patrick Graham on as their DC. Strange that Flores would let him make a lateral move like this.

 

[Van Everyman]

the Colts thing is weird because is he really ever going to find a better situation than that going into his first year?

At the time he took the Colts job, the Pats has just lost a Super Bowl, Brady was feuding with Belichick over Guerrero and Gronk was considering retirement. I’ve always assumed Kraft made Josh some sort of godfather offer to renege on that offer so he could resolve all that shit.