2019 Pats: Roster Projection 1.0

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mwonow

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I'd cut Rivers for an OL, probably Ferentz.

You'd also have to cut someone else to make a spot for Harris. If he goes on IR before making the opening day roster, he can't come back this season.
I didn't know that, I thought he'd be eligible for a return after week 8 or 9. In that case, you're right, one of the DEs or DTs (Shelton?) needs to go to make room for Harris
 

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Assuming all goes well between now and the first game, having Gordon back makes me more willing to cut Philip Dorsett, who has done remarkably little as a Patriot and whose value is mainly tied up in having at least one more (beyond Jules) veteran WR on the roster to start the season.

We'll have Jules and Gordon to start the year, you hope that at least one of the Jakobi/Harry/Berrios trio shows something when the games start to matter, and then you have D. Thomas coming into the mix later as another option. I'm not sure what Dorsett really adds in this scenario and I'd hate to keep him if it means giving up on a guy like Berrios with some sleeper potential, real special teams value, and three years of cheap control.
 

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Assuming all goes well between now and the first game, having Gordon back makes me more willing to cut Philip Dorsett, who has done remarkably little as a Patrio
I'd say Dorsett has done very well (relatively speaking) *when* he's been given opportunities. I think it's clear the Pats like him and Brady has a measure of trust in him.
 

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Can someone remind me about the cutting/release process vis a vis what control a player might have? IOW, if the Pats cut Dorsett and Berrios, are they both treated the same? If the Lions and Rams both want Berrios, is there a pecking order or does Berrios get to decide? What about Dorsett or an even older veteran?
Can a player decline the interest of another team because he is expecting to get re-signed by the Pats in short order?
 

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They have to both clear waivers. If Berrios goes unclaimed (not too likely) he can revert to the Practice Squad. Dorsett would have 500k dead money to the Pats and the claiming team would be responsible for the rest of his contract sans the 500k signing bonus.
 

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Until after the trade deadline when all players are subject to waivers, only players with fewer than four accrued seasons are waived, while players with four seasons' time are released outright. Beginning week four of the season, waiver priority is determined by league standings. From the Super Bowl until the 3rd game, waiver order is the same as draft order.

Because this is Dorsett's 5th season, he is not subject to waivers and he could sign with whatever team offers him a contract.
 

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Until after the trade deadline when all players are subject to waivers, only players with fewer than four accrued seasons are waived, while players with four seasons' time are released outright. Beginning week four of the season, waiver priority is determined by league standings. From the Super Bowl until the 3rd game, waiver order is the same as draft order.

Because this is Dorsett's 5th season, he is not subject to waivers and he could sign with whatever team offers him a contract.
So there could be a wink-wink deal btw a team and a 5 year vet that he would be cut but then re-signed a few days later so he shouldn’t sign with the first team to come knocking?
So if the Pats wanted to put either R or D Harris on IR with the hopes of bringing him back later in the season, they could cut Dorsett or Burkhead and tell them they will re-sign as soon as they can make the procedural moves necessary to open up a roster spot; do I have that correct? (And I recognize that there is risk that said player could get an offer they can’t refuse and simply jet.)
 

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Why do people think Damien Harris might be put on IR? He just started practicing again this week. Howe, who characterizes the injury as "minor," had this to say at The Atheltic yesterday:

Damien Harris made progress Thursday with the minor right hand/wrist injury that kept him out of the Lions game. Harris still practices with a significant amount of tape on the hand and wrist, but he got starting reps in their last practice and used the right hand to ward off a tackler at one point and carried the ball in his right hand on another occasion. By those optics, he should be in position to make his preseason debut. He had a booming start to camp before the setback.
Doesn't sound like a guy who's going on IR.
 

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With the Gordon reinstatement and the good news on Harris' health (it being a minor injury, not major), the WR group suddenly looks terrific again: Gordon, Edelman, Harry, Meyers, Harris, Dorsett, Berrios, Inman, with Thomas waiting in the wings to get healthy.

Once again it's going to be difficult to pick which guys make the roster. Gordon, Edelman, Harry, and probably Meyers right now look like locks. That leaves probably 2-3 slots between Harris, Dorsett, Berrios, and Inman. I don't consider Gunner to be a realistic candidate (maybe PS candidate).
 

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So there could be a wink-wink deal btw a team and a 5 year vet that he would be cut but then re-signed a few days later so he shouldn’t sign with the first team to come knocking?
So if the Pats wanted to put either R or D Harris on IR with the hopes of bringing him back later in the season, they could cut Dorsett or Burkhead and tell them they will re-sign as soon as they can make the procedural moves necessary to open up a roster spot; do I have that correct? (And I recognize that there is risk that said player could get an offer they can’t refuse and simply jet.)
They did this with Bolden each of the last two years. One year he re-signed, the next he jumped ship to Miami. So it's an option. Not really with Burkhead (who has $1.5 MM in guaranteed salary that would hit the cap), maybe with Dorsett. Ted Karras (who has no guaranteed money) would be a good candidate for this. Or maybe one of the non-LaCosse TEs.

With the Gordon reinstatement and the good news on Harris' health (it being a minor injury, not major), the WR group suddenly looks terrific again: Gordon, Edelman, Harry, Meyers, Harris, Dorsett, Berrios, Inman, with Thomas waiting in the wings to get healthy.

Once again it's going to be difficult to pick which guys make the roster. Gordon, Edelman, Harry, and probably Meyers right now look like locks. That leaves probably 2-3 slots between Harris, Dorsett, Berrios, and Inman. I don't consider Gunner to be a realistic candidate (maybe PS candidate).
Entirely possible there's only one spot for Dorsett / Berrios / Harris / Inman, unless there's going to be a lot of 4 WR sets this year.
 

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I think they might initially keep one more WR than we anticipate, as Gordon insurance. His ability to stay with the team is a week-to-week process; no sense losing someone on the bubble if they might be needed on an immediate basis
 

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Either way, some good players from this year's camp are going to be let go. A good problem to have, but it'll be a bummer seeing them do well with another team.
 

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QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, D.Harris, J.White, B.Bolden, R.Burkhead, J.Develin
WR (7) J.Meyers, J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, B.Berrios, M.Slater, J.Gordon
TE (2) R.Izzo, M.LaCosse
C (1) D.Andrews
G (4) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt, T.Karras
T (3) M.Cannon, D.Skipper, I.Wynn
DE (6) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, D.Rivers, J.Simon, S.Calhoun
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, A.Butler
ILB(1) J.Bentley
OLB(3) D.Hightower, J.Collins, K.VanNoy
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jones, K.Crossen, J.Jackson
SS (2) O.Melifonwu, P.Chung
FS (2) T.Brooks, D.McCourty
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Cardona, J.Bailey

Total players: 53
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PUP: D. Thomas, C. Meredith, Y. Cajuste, N. Ebner
IR: B. Cowart, K. Webster
SUSP: B. Watson
PS: D. Dawsen, J. Ferentz, C. Sam
 

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With Gordon’s return I think Berrios time on the team may be running out. I like the player but unless they think his ceiling is special then I’m not sure how big of a loss he would be if cut and claimed by another team. Harry and Meyers look like they are about to add youth to the position group. Meyers operates out of the slot same as Berrios. He seems like a good kick returner but it’s unclear to me how much better he is or isn’t over the other options.

I’m starting to think that if he is a good but not great prospect then he is fairly fungible. Basically if there is always the next Braxton Berrios available then why keep him? I mean last year we were all fired up over Austin Carr as their next shifty slot guy. If they think that a guy like gunner olszewski has a similar ceiling then there is likely more value to having Gunner on the practice squad vs Berrios on the 53 man roster fighting for one of the last spots on the 45 man game day roster each week. Gunner got a lot of run tonight too, albeit very few plays out of the slot.
 

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Stidham looked good. Great back shoulder TD pass and generally sharp throws. If he keeps this up, Hoyer could get traded to a team like Philly for a late round pick, freeing up another spot for a WR on the bubble.
 

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Locking this up. Please continue on RO's v2.0 thread:

 
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