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Is it golf weather yet?

I'm thinking about getting a push cart for this year. I enjoy walking, but I hate carrying my bag and like to have a few beverages when I play. My new club also has expensive cart fees, so it would pay for itself if I walk a few rounds. Does this make me subject to ridicule/mocking?
 

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The stigma against push carts needs to fucking die. They're used religiously around the golfing world outside the US and were absolutely everywhere in Scotland when I was there last year (humble brag). I love using mine because carrying clubs sucks. Having drinks loaded up in the bag being pushed easily with your new cart does not suck.

Buy a good push cart and enjoy the walk. Fuck the haters; hope they enjoy their sore backs and stiff shoulders.
 

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Is it golf weather yet?

I'm thinking about getting a push cart for this year. I enjoy walking, but I hate carrying my bag and like to have a few beverages when I play. My new club also has expensive cart fees, so it would pay for itself if I walk a few rounds. Does this make me subject to ridicule/mocking?
Yeah but only from those not as smart as you.

I can;t express how much I don't care about golf right now. Hope that changes
 

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Is it golf weather yet?

I'm thinking about getting a push cart for this year. I enjoy walking, but I hate carrying my bag and like to have a few beverages when I play. My new club also has expensive cart fees, so it would pay for itself if I walk a few rounds. Does this make me subject to ridicule/mocking?
It's 2019, not 1989, get a push cart. Enjoy walking. They're becoming more popular and there are some nice ones out there now. Riding cart prices are way too high most places IMO.
 

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I’m sold. Found one on Amazon that’s got a cooler on the back, that was all I needed.
 

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I read an old article in The NY Times about a study done on how many calories are burned during a round of golf. The push cart burned like 2 calories fewer per 9 holes vs. carrying a bag. I carry because I love the convenience of just taking my bag out of the trunk and throwing it on my back and also being able to walk across greens with my clubs. I’ve never thought someone was a wimp because they pushed.
 

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I read an old article in The NY Times about a study done on how many calories are burned during a round of golf. The push cart burned like 2 calories fewer per 9 holes vs. carrying a bag. I carry because I love the convenience of just taking my bag out of the trunk and throwing it on my back and also being able to walk across greens with my clubs. I’ve never thought someone was a wimp because they pushed.
Why can't you push a cart across the green? It makes. It makes no sense. With a bag on your back all of the weight is concentrated under two feet with footfalls. With a pushcart that weight is distributed more evenly over 3 or 4 points and those points are wheels so there's nothing falling into the green. Hell, they drive big heavy mowers on the green every day. A push cart isn't going to hurt anything.

I'm at Bandon Dunes right now and they tell people with push carts to push them across the greens but don't park them on the green.
 

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Why can't you push a cart across the green? It makes. It makes no sense. With a bag on your back all of the weight is concentrated under two feet with footfalls. With a pushcart that weight is distributed more evenly over 3 or 4 points and those points are wheels so there's nothing falling into the green. Hell, they drive big heavy mowers on the green every day. A push cart isn't going to hurt anything.

I'm at Bandon Dunes right now and they tell people with push carts to push them across the greens but don't park them on the green.
I have never seen someone push their cart across the green before. Hell, I've played at places where the starter told people to keep their push carts off the tee boxes.
 

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whatever you do, don't cheap out on the cart. I got a push cart at Golfsmith for about $125, and its well worth it. I do have my own rules that if the temp is 85+ I'll ride.
I actually just picked up a Titliest Players 4 stand bag which is wicked lite so I carried for the last month or so of the season
 

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Why can't you push a cart across the green? It makes. It makes no sense. With a bag on your back all of the weight is concentrated under two feet with footfalls. With a pushcart that weight is distributed more evenly over 3 or 4 points and those points are wheels so there's nothing falling into the green. Hell, they drive big heavy mowers on the green every day. A push cart isn't going to hurt anything.

I'm at Bandon Dunes right now and they tell people with push carts to push them across the greens but don't park them on the green.
Around 15 years ago I played at New South Wales GC, near Sydney - easily among my 10 favorite courses I've ever played - and was astonished to discover that, yes, everyone pushed their trolleys across the greens as well. I think this is only safe when it's dry and on specific types of grass that are firm and with sandy drainage bases, but yeah, on greens that fit these parameters, there's really no reason not to push trolleys across them. (Especially now that the rules of golf have changed and anyone can safely repair any marks you might make on your way...) ;)
 

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There really shouldn't be a problem pushing a cart across a green assuming the wheels aren't too thin. They're not that heavy even with the clubs loaded and can't be worse than whatever walking over greens does to the surface. Apparently it's more common outside the US--I bet it becomes more common here in time.
 
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I like to walk and carry, but tore a minsicus on a golf swing last fall. Took a power cart as I tried to play again and work a modified swing that protected the front knee. It's had a bit more chance to heal, although I may have a cleanup procedure this winter.

I think the pushcart is in my future.
 

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Motorized push carts are huge in Britain - I've had one with an umbrella holder attachment for at least five years, and it's the best golf-related purchase I've ever made. You get to walk the course while saving so much of the energy associated with carrying or pushing/pulling your bag. I'd even consider it a competitive advantage to have one these days. (When I first bought it, I was worried that people might make fun of me for having one at a relatively young age...I needn't really have worried.)

I don't know what the US market is for motorized or electric trolleys, but if particularly if you do most of your golfing in one place or within driving distance of your home (and your car has enough trunk space to make having one not a total pain), I'd strongly encourage you to do some research around this.
 

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A guy I know (young, very physically fit) built his own radio-controlled push cart. A full charge of batteries gets him about 2 rounds. It has a remote control that he can use to steer it, in all directions, from some distance (needs line of sight). It also can be configured to follow him from a few steps away via Bluetooth. If he’s only playing one round, he can even jump on board and ride it.
It looks a bit like a cross between a Segway and one of those bomb-detonation robots.
I called it Partoo-Deetoo
 

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I called it Partoo-Deetoo


You can buy remote controlled trolleys here in the UK as well, you know. I've played a few times with people using them, and they're very handy (if almost certainly not cost-effective). On my own trolley, the knob you use to adjust its speed also has a button on its side: hold it in for a while until the speed gauge starts flashing, and then press the button once and the trolley will take off for 15 yards in a straight line, twice and it'll go for 30 yards, and thrice for 45 yards - which I tend to use to get it moving toward the next tee as I approach a green, although these days the trolley has a pretty wicked left-to-right curve on it, and I have to be very careful or it can start leaking toward bunkers or hazards. Not unlike my iron shots, to be honest...
 

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Starting to plan out our Ryder Cup trip for this year (that I've posted about in past threads). Looking for a new location. We did Turningstone last year, and it was fantastic. Would love to get something that is stay and play again, where one place handles everything for us. We'd prefer to drive (based in Central, MA) but flying a short distance is an option. We've also done Plymouth, MA, Portsmouth, NH, and Newport, RI as past destinations as well.

Our current thoughts:
  • Crystal Springs, NJ. Great courses there (Ballyowen is supposed to be great) and it's driveable. But reviews for the resort itself online are horrible, and it doesn't seem like there's much to do there outside of the golf. While that's not the primary motivator, it'd be nice if there's at least something to do at night as an option.
  • Pinehurst, NC - Obviously the golf is top notch and the service and amenities are good. But it's a flight and a drive and likely to be expensive (waiting on a quote from them).
  • Myrtle Beach, SC - We got a great quote for a package at Caledonia and a couple other courses, staying in cottages right on the course. Very affordable. Only problem is that there are no direct flights from Boston and flying with a layover with clubs isn't great. Could use Ship Sticks or something similar though.
Are there any other golf resorts/locations that would work? Timeframe is usually end of summer (late August to early October). Any feedback on those options above, too?
 

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Other options I've since brainstormed:

- Hilton Head
- Kiawah Island
 

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Are there any other golf resorts/locations that would work? Timeframe is usually end of summer (late August to early October). Any feedback on those options above, too?
My buddies and I did a Kiawah trip this past spring, there were 4 of us total. It was surprisingly affordable, we went through a site called Golf Trip Junkie and the owner (Sean) took care of booking our lodging and golf (we ended up staying Saturday to Wednesday, played 6 rounds total). He has a bunch of packages for places like Kiawah, Pinehurst, Myrtle Beach, and other destinations on his website. The best part was once we put down the deposit to book, the site allows each member of the group to pay individually (in installments even, if you'd like). We even were "forced" to stay an extra night and Sean booked another round of golf and an extra night in the same villa for us. Can't recommend his services enough, happy to answer more questions in here or on PM!
 

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My buddies and I did a Kiawah trip this past spring, there were 4 of us total. It was surprisingly affordable, we went through a site called Golf Trip Junkie and the owner (Sean) took care of booking our lodging and golf (we ended up staying Saturday to Wednesday, played 6 rounds total). He has a bunch of packages for places like Kiawah, Pinehurst, Myrtle Beach, and other destinations on his website. The best part was once we put down the deposit to book, the site allows each member of the group to pay individually (in installments even, if you'd like). We even were "forced" to stay an extra night and Sean booked another round of golf and an extra night in the same villa for us. Can't recommend his services enough, happy to answer more questions in here or on PM!
Awesome, I'll check out his site. How was Kiawah? I'm afraid of it being too hard, too expensive, and nothing else to do outside of the golf. Does that about sum it up?
 

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Other options I've since brainstormed:

- Hilton Head
- Kiawah Island
What kind of trip is it?
"Strip clubs and boozing heavy" or "just take a breath and have fun"?

I've done Hilton Head about a dozen times, my dad and his best friend used to split a time share in Sea Pines (where Harbortown is). There's a ton of courses on the island and just off, but it's not a "party" scene. The trip grew a few times and you can find awesome deals on VRBO for houses, to the point we were at 8 people one year and rented a four bedroom house with a pool and a cabana house (with a bar) for much less then their maintenance fee for a two bedroom condo through Marriot within Sea Pines. There's little life night though. There's a ton of courses of all price range and quality.

If you're looking to do a "bachelor party" obviously Myrtle is where you want to go. Shit tons of courses, great night life, you can hit an all you can eat buffet then a strip club and take a cab home. It's the Vegas of golf trips. I've done that a few times with guys and it's gotten crazy. Plan to take the day after you get back off. Bonus point is a lot of multi-18 courses so you can bang out multiple rounds in a day if you want.

If you want a combo, I'd highly recommend Isle of Palms, specifically Wild Dunes, just outside of Charleston, SC. Two amazing courses, restaurants on site, rentals on site (we rented two, two bedroom townhouses within walking distance to course) and there's a bunch more courses just a short ride to Charleston which also has awesome food scene and debauchery if desired. I've been there three times, but one trip we decided to just do kind of "ultimate lazy" and had our clubs shipped, skipped the car rental and just got a Blue Van and took cabs and even found a local service that would pre-deliver groceries and booze to our rental unit so it was there when we arrived.

Edit: We looked at Kiawah one year but if you don't stay there it's insane expensive and I don't believe it's easy to get other courses if you want to mix it up. IJWT may be able to speak better to there.

Any details you need PM me.
 

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Awesome, I'll check out his site. How was Kiawah? I'm afraid of it being too hard, too expensive, and nothing else to do outside of the golf. Does that about sum it up?
Kiawah was incredible. It is extremely golf focused, but that was a feature rather than a bug for us. The courses range from completely brutal but still a great experience (Ocean Course) to friendly, beautiful and playable (pretty much all the other courses). Osprey Point is one of my favorite courses on the planet, Turtle is generally playable but has some holes on the back that can bite you, and Cougar/Oak are the "worst" of the bunch but would either would be among the best playable courses in the MA area if they were here.

One of my friends summed it up pretty accurately "Kiawah: a world of golf and virtually no other societal rules". Once you're on the resort it's basically a golfer's paradise. The beaches are really nice (if you rent bikes you can ride on the hardpacked sand), and there's also tennis if you're so inclined but golf is the focus. It's not too bad to get into Charleston with a lot of incredible options for touristy stuff and great food, but we didn't feel like leaving the island once we were there.

FWIW we ended up spending around $1k/man for 4 nights, 6 rounds. We had a 3 bed/3 bath villa on the 16th hole of Cougar (one of the rooms had 2 twin beds so everyone got a bed). This didn't include food and drink, some days we went a bit crazier than we should have with beers on course which did some damage to our bill.

edit: added some details back, site timed out and ate some of my post
 

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What kind of trip is it?
"Strip clubs and boozing heavy" or "just take a breath and have fun"?
Good question. Depends who in the group you ask. It's not strip club heavy, but it's definitely boozing heavy. In the past, active nightlife was a must. That said, everyone is getting a little older every year and the trip is becoming more about the golf than the nightlife (which is my preference). That said, we were out until 3am both nights at Turningstone last year. I was hungover for a week.

So the answer is that there needs to be SOMETHING to do, or else enough of the guys will go crazy. It doesn't have to be strip clubs/mardi gras/Vegas, but at least some bars then a firepit/hangout option would be necessary, if that makes sense.

Kiawah was incredible. It is extremely golf focused, but that was a feature rather than a bug for us. The courses range from completely brutal but still a great experience (Ocean Course) to friendly, beautiful and playable (pretty much all the other courses). Osprey Point is one of my favorite courses on the planet, Turtle is generally playable but has some holes on the back that can bite you, and Cougar/Oak are the "worst" of the bunch but would either would be among the best playable courses in the MA area if they were here.

One of my friends summed it up pretty accurately "Kiawah: a world of golf and virtually no other societal rules". Once you're on the resort it's basically a golfer's paradise. The beaches are really nice (if you rent bikes you can ride on the hardpacked sand), and there's also tennis if you're so inclined but golf is the focus. It's not too bad to get into Charleston with a lot of incredible options for touristy stuff and great food, but we didn't feel like leaving the island once we were there.

FWIW we ended up spending around $1k/man for 4 nights, 6 rounds. We had a 3 bed/3 bath villa on the 16th hole of Cougar (one of the rooms had 2 twin beds so everyone got a bed). This didn't include food and drink, some days we went a bit crazier than we should have with beers on course which did some damage to our bill.

edit: added some details back, site timed out and ate some of my post
This is all great info (as was the rest of PP's post). Good things to consider. Getting quotes from the resorts and will likely reach out to the travel guy as well.
 

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Good question. Depends who in the group you ask. It's not strip club heavy, but it's definitely boozing heavy. In the past, active nightlife was a must. That said, everyone is getting a little older every year and the trip is becoming more about the golf than the nightlife (which is my preference). That said, we were out until 3am both nights at Turningstone last year. I was hungover for a week.

So the answer is that there needs to be SOMETHING to do, or else enough of the guys will go crazy. It doesn't have to be strip clubs/mardi gras/Vegas, but at least some bars then a firepit/hangout option would be necessary, if that makes sense.
There’s definitely bossing options on isle of palms that a quick cab ride will get you too and the townhouses on site we rented had decks to hang out. And it’s a short ride to Charleston for great food and bars. We really liked all the delivery options because we felt like outside of getting to and from course we were just pissing our money away on a rental car to make one liquor store run and get to/from courses. We booked on site, had snacks, meals, booze, beer, ice delivered before we got there and the package we had included shuttle to a couple other courses on mainland. One night we went out on island, one to Charleston and the other two we just went to the places on site. Very reasonable and great courses. But yeah we were all in extended hangover. If you need a contact let me know I can connect you with the companies we used. Just pm me.
 

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And totally understood on the ‘evolution’ of these things. They started out as bachelor party style and have quickly started to evolve into much more tamed, just with less boobs.
 

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You don't really need much on Hilton Head when you're staying in a house with 8 guys. I've done that a bunch and we have a blast playing golf during the day and cooking/drinking/playing cards at night.

I've also been to the HH strip club more than I care to admit. Let's just say last time I was there, I missed my 8am tee time because I didn't go to bed until 630am.
 

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I didn’t even know one was there, my trips were always with my dad and his cronies, they’re not quite the type. The one year we rented a house we had some younger guys but never even thought of it, since everyone is old and everything is a pale shade of gray with a two by two sign.
 

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In the shorter drive category, how about Saratoga Springs? One really nice, albeit pricey course in Saratoga National. One more affordable, but still solid track in the SPAC course. The stay and play thing doesn’t work there, but you can Airbnb someplace in town that’s easy enough. There’s no strip club type activity, but downtown Saratoga Springs in August is a pretty amazing bar scene. A morning round at National into the day at the track is a pretty good take.
 

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It's 60 and sunny at Bandon Dunes today with light winds. I should have taken a sick day and headed down there (4 hour drive for me). They have been having some nice weather recently.
 

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It's 60 and sunny at Bandon Dunes today with light winds. I should have taken a sick day and headed down there (4 hour drive for me). They have been having some nice weather recently.
It's one of the limited number of things I miss about living in Portland. When the forecast was great for a few days I could always find a friend or 2 willing to pop down for a couple of nights. There's usually availability from Nov-Feb on the super cheap packages. On a whim a weekend there for a regular can be had for ~$500. Of course, the weather forecast at Bandon is only reliable for a few hours so there's always the risk of playing in a hell storm.
 

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I’ve got Torrey Pines coming up in two weeks (along with Old Ranch in Long Beach) and then going to Pinehurst in March. Always nice when your gf’s mom lives on a Pinehurst course and is a member. Long past due to take advantage of a visit.
 

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More like a 13th, we have 12 guys going from my club.

Pretty excited!
Looking forward to hearing your report. Big hitters like you can tear those courses up if hitting greens and the putting doesn't mess you up. If you re-round, play Trails from tips. Totally different course and the best track out there (non-view division). But beware, it's the hangovers that really make Bandon a challenge. I think my best round is a 71 at Bandon playing heads up in a match against the biggest asshole I've ever met in my life.
 

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Welp, I regripped my clubs over the weekend. Cleaned out my bag too (soooo many tees rattling around in there). Have a fresh dozen Chrome Softs. A new pair shoes. Tossed out some worn out polos... I’m ready to play and we’ve got a couple months to go at least... :(
 

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Anybody here invest in a home golf simulator? Seems like there are ways to get in at a few different price points on the technology part, and then there's setting up netting etc. Can hit into screen, or just net and have things track on a separate monitor. Been thinking about it (might be cold weather). My 8th grader is very much into the game, and the entire family plays, so I'm thinking it might be worth it. I think I have a room for it, what is effectively an unused living room that's about 14 x 12 with almost 9 foot ceiling.

Not doing the $50K thing, of course. But maybe somwhere between $2k and $6K.
 

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Anybody here invest in a home golf simulator? Seems like there are ways to get in at a few different price points on the technology part, and then there's setting up netting etc. Can hit into screen, or just net and have things track on a separate monitor. Been thinking about it (might be cold weather). My 8th grader is very much into the game, and the entire family plays, so I'm thinking it might be worth it. I think I have a room for it, what is effectively an unused living room that's about 14 x 12 with almost 9 foot ceiling.

Not doing the $50K thing, of course. But maybe somwhere between $2k and $6K.
I'm very interested in what you find. I've considered this as well, as my friends and I go to the indoor simulator about once a week in the winter, and the price adds up. I've debated this but never done full research.
 

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I'm just starting, and have to get this by the wife (who would benefit from it). But I'll be happy to report in with any progress.

The boy does lessons now at a place with a net and hitting pad, but had the monitor/lauch stuff hooked in to a computer, which hooked into a 40 inch monitor on the side. You you hit, and then look at the screen to the right (vs hitting into the screen). Lessons being given by asst. pro, location is a club member's business, who had room out the back of his business with very high ceilings storage. It ain't pretty, but it seems to do the job. I'd have to get a netting system that would protect the room,and at that point, it makes sense just to have the screen on the main hitting into pad. May look into squeezing it into the basement, which is mostly finished, and has a portion that is not really being used anymore. Gotta check dimensions on it - it's somwhat irregularly shaped.
 

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I’ve played on a friend’s OptiShot and it’s perfectly cromulent to get swings in. None of even the big expensive ones I’ve played are noticeably more accurate. Don’t plan on being able to do much with your short game on any of them and remember that it’s like buying a pool table or anything else that sounds awesome to have, then you never use it after a dozen times thru.

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I finally got to a Simulator yesterday. Overall I was pretty pleased, I didn't hit many (if any) clunkers. Though I am really searching for about another 5-10MPH of swing speed. I was topping out at 95, and I think with my frame (6'4/215) there is some hidden distance that I am not leveraging.
 

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Anyone research this Golfpass that Rory is sponsoring? $99 a year for an app with instruction, a free round of golf every month, and a dozen balls? Does that seem right?

My guess is its only eligible on Golfnow's dog tracks, but free is free.
 

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On simulators - a room that's 14X12 is good - not sure you can hit driver at 9 feet - would be pretty close. I have a GC2, which is at the top of the range you're talking about, measures shots great, the included software is meh but you can use Jack Nicklaus Pro Golf and thats very good (have to search the forums a bit to learn more). I right now can only use mine outdoors into a net - my great hope is to convert my garage this year, depending on what I need to do to get ceiling height.
 

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I haven't looked at it solely out of spite to the inundation of commercials for it. What kind of instruction is it, just pre-recorded videos?
 

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Garage may be an option someday, too. 9 feet is close, but no golfers taller than 5'8" in the house so far, so it might be OK. We've swung in the room and it's been OK.

Still looking into things - it'd be tight. We'd also be hitting into a wall with two windows , so I'd have to have pad/netting that wouldn't "give" to the point of imperiling those items.

Went to a place with simulators last week with the boy. It was not Top Golf nice, and the sims missed a few shots, but it was pretty good. big, full size hitting area. Might be BYOB - I'll have to check on that. One hour, 9 holes - $20 total. Can't complain about that.