I'm not doubting you, but where are you getting this stat from?Brady has the 3rd-highest off-target throw pct in the NFL this season (20% of his attempts are off target). Only 2 QBs missing more throws than Brady are Josh Allen (23%) and Sam Darnold (21%).
ESPN tracks it.I'm not doubting you, but where are you getting this stat from?
It's not bots. Every game is tracked with video review and double checks. Throwing at the feet of a RB on a busted screen wouldn't be counted."Off-target" throws is kind of a bullshit stat out of context. As many have noted here, there are strategic throwaways, some of which are likely not counted by the ESPN bots that track this, such as the classic Brady throws at the RB's feet, but there are also certainly a goodly number of throws that are "off-target" because the WR zigged when Brady expected him to zag. The nature of the Pat's offensive scheme is pegged to the WR's and QB being on the same page. As we all know, this season had a lot of newcomers where that intuitive communication was not going to be there.
Okay.It's not bots. Every game is tracked with video review and double checks. Throwing at the feet of a RB on a busted screen wouldn't be counted.
But would an intentional low throw to prevent a turnover or his receiver from getting crushed be counted?It's not bots. Every game is tracked with video review and double checks. Throwing at the feet of a RB on a busted screen wouldn't be counted.
Those are trickier. If its a catchable ball, it's not off target. If he bounces it, a little tougher to judge Brady's intent so probably charted as off target.But would an intentional low throw to prevent a turnover or his receiver from getting crushed be counted?
That's my point. I didn't mean literal robots, I just meant, that it is likely being done by ESPN staffers with very specific rules that define "off-target" vs "catchable" vs "throwaway." My sense is that Brady likely has more than typical number of the latter that end up getting put into the first category. To me, "off-target" is one where Brady would say at the end of the play "my bad," and I bet that he has a much lower percentage of those than 20%.Those are trickier. If its a catchable ball, it's not off target. If he bounces it, a little tougher to judge Brady's intent so probably charted as off target.
Clearly putting up 33 points in that game with 358Yds, 8.3YPA, 3TD 0INT, with 77 yards of rushing support (2.6YPC) is just not enough from the man. He needs to be BETTER.Brady is also 6th in ESPN's Total QBR. I should have been clear, wasn't suggesting Brady's issue with off-target throws shows a decline necessarily. More that it's an area where missing throws has cost the team this season. Go back the the Miami game, right before the awful 3rd down sack play, he just completely missed an open Hogan in the back of the end zone. That's 7 pts and a win off the board. Brady just hasn't been as sharp as they've needed him to be given the lack of explosiveness from a clearly laboring Gronk.
Who says he can’t still compete with the youth!Brady has the 3rd-highest off-target throw pct in the NFL this season (20% of his attempts are off target). Only 2 QBs missing more throws than Brady are Josh Allen (23%) and Sam Darnold (21%).
You're finally getting it. We demand perfection of Mr. Brady. Anything less, and it's his fault.Clearly putting up 33 points in that game with 358Yds, 8.3YPA, 3TD 0INT, with 77 yards of rushing support (2.6YPC) is just not enough from the man. He needs to be BETTER.
Of course some of his games have been better than others. And even the top QBs have bad games. Sometimes he throws to his second read because it's his binky, rather than going to his third, who was more open. Nobody is perfect. But looking at that game in particular and pointing the finger at TB...I just don't get it.You're finally getting it. We demand perfection of Mr. Brady. Anything less, and it's his fault.
To be clear, Brady was responsible for 37 points, but Ghost blew 4 of them. He left the field with a 6 point lead, and 21 seconds on the clock, to an opponent that was receiving a kickoff and had no timeouts. But yeah, he left 7 points out there and cost his team the victory.
Yup, compared to Brady, Drew Brees, Roethlisberger, Jared Goff, and Aaron Rodgers have been absolutely abysmal the last 4 weeks, but the whole world is focused on Tom Brady and his decline. Not a peep about any of these other guys.And even the top QBs have bad games.
Without seeing the actual details behind the numbers, my guess has always been that Brady's numbers are artificially inflated. When quarterbacks "throw the ball away," most of the time, they are out of the pocket, and tossing it into the bench. A lot of them are doing it on the run.That's my point. I didn't mean literal robots, I just meant, that it is likely being done by ESPN staffers with very specific rules that define "off-target" vs "catchable" vs "throwaway." My sense is that Brady likely has more than typical number of the latter that end up getting put into the first category. To me, "off-target" is one where Brady would say at the end of the play "my bad," and I bet that he has a much lower percentage of those than 20%.
Aside from Goff, every one of those guys is old enough to be experiencing some age and mileage-related decline. All have been hit a massive number of times. All are closer to 40 than 30.Yup, compared to Brady, Drew Brees, Roethlisberger, Jared Goff, and Aaron Rodgers have been absolutely abysmal the last 4 weeks, but the whole world is focused on Tom Brady and his decline. Not a peep about any of these other guys.
It was one of their best running games ever. That part was good. And the D was excellent.I know this was a rough week but man the stats from today are awful. Missed the game with family stuff, was it as bad as it looks from just the sheet?
Pretty much. Brady wasn't good.I know this was a rough week but man the stats from today are awful. Missed the game with family stuff, was it as bad as it looks from just the sheet?
It’s ok to say he played like shit without jumping off the deep end and claiming he’s cooked. A spade is a spade. He’s human.They lost their best receiver three days before the game. They ran 47 running plays (for 273 yards) vs. 25 passing plays. On the first interception the receiver has blatantly held and then ran away from the throw. On the second interception the ball literally bounced off the hands of the receiver into the defense. The game was never in doubt after the White TD. Brian Hoyer played the final 7 minutes of the game.
But really, seriously, Brady sucks.
Ok but unless it’s Haskins I’m not sure you want to spend a first round pick on the mediocre QBs available in the first. Stick to the board and go BPA for the system. Probably end up with a split on offense and defense... draft is deep on TE WR and DL/Edge. We could use those...Pats should seriously consider taking a QB in the first round this year, if the opportunity arises.
I’m aware it was sarcasm, but thank you. My point is anything critical of him gets met with it. It’s tiresome at times. He’s going to start having more clunkers, I think people should get used to it.Ok but unless it’s Haskins I’m not sure you want to spend a first round pick on the mediocre QBs available in the first. Stick to the board and go BPA for the system. Probably end up with a split on offense and defense... draft is deep on TE WR and DL/Edge. We could use those...
Also Brady has been good this year. Maybe not top 3 but still top 10. I think with better receiving options he will be even better.
Brady sucks was a joke. Sarcasm detector maybe a little off? Unless he was serious and then the block button is your friend.
I agree. It gets really tiresome. I don’t want to derail any further. Just think the first round QB talk is wrong. Not with the stock of QBs who have declared anyway. Maybe we have some big Drew Lock fans on here.I’m aware it was sarcasm, but thank you. My point is anything critical of him gets met with it. It’s tiresome at times. He’s going to start having more clunkers, I think people should get used to it.
Edit: I think you were misreading my post.
Yup, desperately need help at DL, could use speed at LB, need a WR and TE...They have way too many holes to take a QB in R1.
Fair enough. He wasn't great. And he does appear to be throwing the ball away way faster this year, either because he's hurt or he's old and doesn't want to take the hits.I’m aware it was sarcasm, but thank you. My point is anything critical of him gets met with it. It’s tiresome at times. He’s going to start having more clunkers, I think people should get used to it.
Edit: I think you were misreading my post.
You obviously follow college and film a lot, if Haskins declares is he legit? (Not that I agree with the first round sentiment, I’m just curious). I’m fully prepared for a fallow stretch after TB and I’m perfectly fine with that if it means he plays every career game with a Flying Elvis on his helmet.I agree. It gets really tiresome. I don’t want to derail any further. Just think the first round QB talk is wrong. Not with the stock of QBs who have declared anyway. Maybe we have some big Drew Lock fans on here.
Hand the ball off?Fair enough. He wasn't great. And he does appear to be throwing the ball away way faster this year, either because he's hurt or he's old and doesn't want to take the hits.
But it's also tiresome to say that a comfortable win in a must-win game (assuming they want a bye, and they do) is playing "like shit". He did what he needed to do to win.
Maybe it's just Brady being banged up, but the problem is that historically, the QB decline once it starts it unravels very quickly. Peyton Manning got away with it, Favre got away with it for a bit (and then got hurt again/benched in Minny), I don't know if BB is going to be OK giving Brady 25 million the last year before the lockout. So next year might be it.Ok but unless it’s Haskins I’m not sure you want to spend a first round pick on the mediocre QBs available in the first. Stick to the board and go BPA for the system. Probably end up with a split on offense and defense... draft is deep on TE WR and DL/Edge. We could use those...
That’s an interesting question. It’s tough because he definitely has issues against pressure but he’s a first year starter. Also, he isn’t a truly mobile QB. A lot of the time his first read is open. That’s the negative. The positives are I like his touch and accuracy and he has a mean deep ball. From what I have seen of him I think he warrants a first round grade. Kind of reminds me a little bit of Mahomes situation going into the draft. He needs a year on the bench and to be developed. He’s also a strong kid. I’d absolutely burn a first on him. No question about it. He’s probably the only guy though this year I’d say that for (looks like Herbert is going back to school - if that’s changed since last Thursday my apologies).You obviously follow college and film a lot, if Haskins declares is he legit? (Not that I agree with the first round sentiment, I’m just curious). I’m fully prepared for a fallow stretch after TB and I’m perfectly fine with that if it means he plays every career game with a Flying Elvis on his helmet.
I'm with you. If Haskins comes out (and I think there is a good chance he does, with Urban Meyer retiring), I think he's easily the best QB prospect in the class, and worth a first round pick.That’s an interesting question. It’s tough because he definitely has issues against pressure but he’s a first year starter. Also, he isn’t a truly mobile QB. A lot of the time his first read is open. That’s the negative. The positives are I like his touch and accuracy and he has a mean deep ball. From what I have seen of him I think he warrants a first round grade. Kind of reminds me a little bit of Mahomes situation going into the draft. He needs a year on the bench and to be developed. He’s also a strong kid. I’d absolutely burn a first on him. No question about it. He’s probably the only guy though this year I’d say that for (looks like Herbert is going back to school - if that’s changed since last Thursday my apologies).
Business is business and I have no problem with him finishing his career with a different logo on his helmet.You obviously follow college and film a lot, if Haskins declares is he legit? (Not that I agree with the first round sentiment, I’m just curious). I’m fully prepared for a fallow stretch after TB and I’m perfectly fine with that if it means he plays every career game with a Flying Elvis on his helmet.
Well, that id be fine with. But I think we are on same page.Business is business and I have no problem with him finishing his career with a different logo on his helmet.
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Brady has a torn meniscus and I won't believe anything else until it's proven otherwise in the offseason
And it may have been on that stupid pass reception. We’re so fucking clever at times.Brady has a torn meniscus and I won't believe anything else until it's proven otherwise in the offseason
Ho him 10 straight division titles. We are so fucking entitled at times.And it may have been on that stupid pass reception. We’re so fucking clever at times.