2018 Tom M-F&^%$ing Brady: Still Proving It

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I took a picture of my lunch dump and sent it to him under the headline “the real mud on Tom Brady.” Dead serious.
 

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Maybe this is one for the Romo thread but what I liked about Romo’s commentary on Sunday specifically was it really showed an average fan how Brady’s gifts worked in terms of quickly diagnosing a defense and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Not that this would ever sway those who fervently believe Brady cheats, but these aren’t skills that you can take PEDs for, and Romo doing the diagnosis in real time shows that it is possible for people to have that skillset
 

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Maybe this is one for the Romo thread but what I liked about Romo’s commentary on Sunday specifically was it really showed an average fan how Brady’s gifts worked in terms of quickly diagnosing a defense and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Not that this would ever sway those who fervently believe Brady cheats, but these aren’t skills that you can take PEDs for, and Romo doing the diagnosis in real time shows that it is possible for people to have that skillset
I actually think Romo, as someone who was criminally underrated (especially by casual football fans,) and consistently shit on (especially by casual football fans,) identifies a bit with Brady and goes an extra step to try and outline exactly how good he is and how impressive his on-field reads are.

What I mean by identify with is that the whole Brady being a cheater and Romo being a choke artist things are similarly lazy and weak narratives spun by idiots.
 

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This is in another thread, but read what his actual project was...how far he could throw a football at various PSI. Lower the PSI the further it could be thrown.

Because we all know Brady definitely wants to throw the ball deep as possible.
 

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This is in another thread, but read what his actual project was...how far he could throw a football at various PSI. Lower the PSI the further it could be thrown.

Because we all know Brady definitely wants to throw the ball deep as possible.
Not how far HE could throw it. How far his mother and sister could throw it. I wonder if they could fit their hands around a fully inflated ball . . . which will travel farther than a deflated one if you can get a grip on it.
 

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Yes, and the fact that this kid's mother can throw an underinflated ball farther than a fully inflated one clearly illustrates that Tom Brady was behind a nefarious scheme to deflate balls by exactly the same amount we would expect them to be deflated if we believed in this "science" stuff. That cheating bastard!
The logic is impeccable.
 

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That's a good pro bowl story, but the best one I've heard is Joe Posnanski's about Bill Belichick and Tony Gonzalez.
Rivers had a similar one they told during the Division game. He said he, Manning, and Cassell had thrown picks and they were getting smoked at halftime and Rivers said BB comes in and goes:

“We were getting killed and it was … me, Peyton (Manning) and (Matt) Cassel. We were getting blown out at halftime, and he kind of called us all up and said, ‘Hey, we can tackle. I know it’s the Pro Bowl and all that, but can we tackle somebody today? Let’s go out and see if we can make this a little bit respectable in the second half.’
“And then he looked at us quarterbacks. We had all thrown an interception — thank goodness I wasn’t the only one — and he said, ‘And it’d help if you guys would stop throwing it to the other team.’ I got a kick out of that because I was standing by Peyton Manning and Cassel, and Peyton’s, if not my all-time favorite, one of. I was glad I was the only one that had thrown it to the other team. But I thought that was a pretty good moment. I got fussed out at halftime of the Pro Bowl.”
 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25870358/age-taken-toll-pats-tom-brady

Robey-Coleman told Bleacher Report that he expects the Rams can get to the Patriots' quarterback "all over the place."

"We have to stay connected," he told the website. "And he will slowly start to reveal himself."

"Age has definitely taken a toll. For him to still be doing it, that's a great compliment for him. But I think that he's definitely not the same quarterback he was," Robey-Coleman told Bleacher Report. "Movement. Speed. Velocity. Arm strength. He still can sling it, but he's not slinging it as much. Whatever he was doing -- because of his age and all that -- he's not doing as much of that anymore. He's still doing the same things; he's just not doing as much of it. And sometimes, it's not the sharpest.
 

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If Peyton returned to nfl he’d have to go 111-0 to match Brady’s winning percentage
Joe Montana, everyone's GOAT prior to Brady, would have to go 90-13 to catch Brady. Joe Montana, the guy with the highest win percentage ever among quarterbacks with 100+ wins, would have to go 14-2 for 6 straight years to even have a shot at Brady.

Russel Wilson, the active guy with the 'best' shot, is 67-32, and would have to go 140-28. He'd have to average 13.3 wins for the next 10+ years.

These win/loss records are never, ever, ever being challenged.
 

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(I hadn't seen this one yet)

Crawl on NFL-N: TB has a better chance of playing in the SB in any given season, than Terry Bradshaw had of completing a pass, or Michael Jordan hitting a shot.

(I guess they threw 2008 out to make the numbers work better)
 
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(I hadn't seen this one yet)

Crawl on NFL-N: TB has a better chance of playing in the SB in any given season, than Terry Bradshaw had of completing a pass, or Michael Jordan hitting a shot.

(I guess they threw 2008 out to make the numbers work better)
Meh, Ted Willams was still (just barely) more likely to get on base than Brady is to make a Super Bowl. Brady’s neck and neck with the Babe though.
 

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Assuming this number is accurate, can we get this guy a membership?

I like his phrasing. It sings.
Brady is 236-70 for a winning percentage of .771. Peyton 200-92. 111-0 would make Peyton 311-92 for a winning percentage of .771 (all numbers including regular and postseason).

Thanks for the endorsement ;)
 

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From Reddit, a really cool chart/table of Passer Rating after X games. Brady should pass Farve from here on out with each game. Brees may start passing Brady

 

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From Reddit, a really cool chart/table of Passer Rating after X games. Brady should pass Farve from here on out with each game. Brees may start passing Brady

Rodgers is going to start destroying Brady as well. He will almost certainly have the career passing lead for every game he's able to play from here on out given that his rating is so high.
 

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Rodgers is going to start destroying Brady as well. He will almost certainly have the career passing lead for every game he's able to play from here on out given that his rating is so high.
Brady's gone from a 95.5 career avg in game 197 up to a 97.6 one today with game 269. In the last 5 years, he has raised his career average. And Brees and Peyton managed the same feat, almost the exact same numbers in fact. But I don't think it's a given that Brees will necessarily continue rising; he's only 0.2 above Brady. If he doesn't have another stellar season, he may cease eating Brady's records.

Rodgers, yeah, he's gonna dominate however many games he manages to start. His rise from game 53 (98.6) to game 107 (106.7) is pretty insane.

The "regular season games only" thing is a big caveat, too. I guess it helps normalize the career length, and I get why he did it, but it also leaves out some pretty big data points.
 

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Brady's gone from a 95.5 career avg in game 197 up to a 97.6 one today with game 269. In the last 5 years, he has raised his career average. And Brees and Peyton managed the same feat, almost the exact same numbers in fact. But I don't think it's a given that Brees will necessarily continue rising; he's only 0.2 above Brady. If he doesn't have another stellar season, he may cease eating Brady's records.

Rodgers, yeah, he's gonna dominate however many games he manages to start. His rise from game 53 (98.6) to game 107 (106.7) is pretty insane.

The "regular season games only" thing is a big caveat, too. I guess it helps normalize the career length, and I get why he did it, but it also leaves out some pretty big data points.
Rodgers would gain the lead through 176 games if he averaged a zero passer rating over those games. He would gain the lead through 191 games if he averaged 50. 198 games if he manages 60. 209 games at 70. 227 games at 80. 239 games at 85.

If he plays 5 more years without missing a game, that's 245 career games, needing only to average an 86 passer rating to pass Brady. It's hard to imagine him going much longer than that, but if he maintains 89, he'd be #1 in any game measure he reaches.

Brady could average 0 and pass Favre at every single game mark.

Brees needs to average just over 92 to keep passing Brady (less for the first few games). Obviously, after that point it's head to head in the future.
 

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Rodgers would gain the lead through 176 games if he averaged a zero passer rating over those games. He would gain the lead through 191 games if he averaged 50. 198 games if he manages 60. 209 games at 70. 227 games at 80. 239 games at 85.

If he plays 5 more years without missing a game, that's 245 career games, needing only to average an 86 passer rating to pass Brady. It's hard to imagine him going much longer than that, but if he maintains 89, he'd be #1 in any game measure he reaches.

Brady could average 0 and pass Favre at every single game mark.

Brees needs to average just over 92 to keep passing Brady (less for the first few games). Obviously, after that point it's head to head in the future.
Those in italics can be passed by an active player playing like Peterman in 2018, which is hilarious
 

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It's like PacMan for QBs
Or Tetris.

That's a fascinating chart. The Marino comment is dead on. That he still is on the chart 30+ years later considering the change in the game since he played is astonishing. Is there a progression of these charts from 1973 onward?.
 

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Or Tetris.

That's a fascinating chart. The Marino comment is dead on. That he still is on the chart 30+ years later considering the change in the game since he played is astonishing. Is there a progression of these charts from 1973 onward?.
I don't know an easier way to find that info than using this search function:
http://pfref.com/tiny/jGjH9
and changing the dates & number of games. For example, for 1970-1973, through a QB's first 16 games, it's Staubach at 91.4.
 

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Thanks for that SPS. Staubach would be a good bet to have occupied a lot of an early chart. I don't go on Reddit much at all, but when I have time, I'll see if they have more like the chart above.
 

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Thanks for that SPS. Staubach would be a good bet to have occupied a lot of an early chart. I don't go on Reddit much at all, but when I have time, I'll see if they have more like the chart above.
First 50 games through 1982 is Ken Stabler with 86.4, to Staubach's 83.0. First 75 through 1990 is Marino with 92.7. First 100 through 1995 is Montana with 92.3. First 125 through 2000 is Steve Young with 96.6. First 150 through 2005 is Montana with 93.0 (Young ended his career at 96.4 over 143 games). 175 through 2010 is Manning at 94.6 (Brady only had 143 games by then).

It looks like Marino owned this (at the time) starting in his 8th game, until his 89th game, when he fell behind Montana. Montana fell behind on games eventually, so Marino took the 140+ record until Montana kept playing enough games. Montana's career ended at 164 games, so Marino owned 165 through 242 through the end of his career.
 

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"...as far as comments sections go, the NYT isn't awful, but it's still pretty bad."

Then there's "pierre from vermont:"

we love the haters - all of them. brady resonates in new england because he's widely successful and modest; especially in a league that celebrates celebrating with outlandish displays by players who make a tackle while being behind in a game by 30 points. he has his faults and i think for sure he was guilty in deflating footballs but really, who even comes close to being the GOAT? one more thing - he's also old, white, and slow - like most of us in new england!