Draft pick(s)What would be headed back to SF?
No reporting on what level. A few hours ago there was some reporting that SF and Denver had agreed to the trade package pending Denver being able to renegotiate Kaep's deal.
Draft pick(s)What would be headed back to SF?
I don't think The Broncos losses are crippling or anything but, yeah, that's actually kind of exactly his point.Kinda like how Revis went to play for a loser team like the Jets after winning his SB?
That's what happens after you win a SB. Some guys want the money after getting their ring.
You're engaging in hyperbole. The defensive core from 2015 will be fully in tact for 2016. Replacing a DE and a MLB is not some kind of herculean task that no GM can accomplish. The offense was fucking terrible last year. Busting that up and reworking things is not a bad call, IMO. They will be keeping their WR corps in tact and basically reworking everything else.Well the other point is that Denver had tons of cash to give away which is how they got into this position. First title winner with like 50% of their roster as free agents. It worked but it's not a sustainable model so it will be interesting to see if Elway can keep them competitive despite guys leaving for bigger deals. Seattle returned to the Super Bowl and then the divisional round after winning. The Pats have gone SB-AFCCG-AFCCG-SB-AFCCG the last five years. Will the Broncos make the playoffs again soon? TBD
Again banners fly forever so good for them. But the "easy" part is done. I expect something more like Baltimore who has now missed the playoffs two out of three years since winning
Sorry, I meant they were constructed with 50% of their roster as not-homegrown. They built a team of free agents. Sorry for the lack of clarification.You're engaging in hyperbole. The defensive core from 2015 will be fully in tact for 2016. Replacing a DE and a MLB is not some kind of herculean task that no GM can accomplish. The offense was fucking terrible last year. Busting that up and reworking things is not a bad call, IMO. They will be keeping their WR corps in tact and basically reworking everything else.
Also, Denver is on a 5 year playoff streak with 2 SB berths in 3 seasons. If they take a step back next year that is still a terrific run in the modern salary cap NFL. Elway's plan was always aimed at winning a SB before Manning dissolved into a pile of rust. He did it. The next phase for the team is secondary to accomplishing that goal.
got it, thanks for clarifying.Sorry, I meant they were constructed with 50% of their roster as not-homegrown. They built a team of free agents. Sorry for the lack of clarification.
They have had a great run, Elway did a great job in getting Manning, Ware, Ward, Talib, etc. But the point is that this model is unlikely to work long-term due to the lack of homegrown talent. Elway has his work cut out for him in terms of making this team a perennial playoff contender for the next several years.
That is pretty much what I was getting at. They won a ton because they were able to buy high priced free agents. They will no longer be able to do that; they can't even afford to retain their home grown talent at this point.got it, thanks for clarifying.
Personally, I don't give a shit about homegrown beyond the obvious benefits of salary cap value for guys in their first 4-5 years. The best of the players who are now leaving the team for more money were homegrown (Malik, Osweiler, Trevathan, Anderson, assuming he does leave). One can certainly argue that losing those guys is due to money tied up in non-homegrown players and that's a bad thing, but another way to look at it is those players produced well on cheaper deals and now that they will cost more than the team thinks that are worth, they are bad investments for a team like Denver that hopes/plans to contend. Denver got their best years and the cheapest ones and now they let them cash in and move on. Elway has paid top dollar to keep the best homegrown players long term (Demaryius, Von) and also struck early with a few key homegrown guys to lock them up early to team-friendly deals (Harris, Wolfe). He's not sentimental about players and draws a firm line at where he is willing to walk away from a negotiation (maybe his mid-life career owning car dealerships taught him a few things about that). The result on that is some players finding out they can earn much more elsewhere and then having free agents come in and fill the blanks.
You're correct that we don't know if his approach can work for a decade, but we're halfway there and it's been pretty damn successful so far.
They are retaining guys like DT and Von and Harris and Wolfe. They just don't choose to retain all of them and will look to re-stock in the draft and with less expensive FAs.That is pretty much what I was getting at. They won a ton because they were able to buy high priced free agents. They will no longer be able to do that; they can't even afford to retain their home grown talent at this point.
No, from here, they are in the same boat as everyone else. That is kind of my point - that they weren't in the same boat as everyone else because they were able to just buy up a bunch of star players to put around Manning, Miller, Harris, Wolfe. Now they won't be able to buy up star players so they are on the same path as everyone else - and I have a ton of skepticism that they will be able to be successful from this point forward.They are retaining guys like DT and Von and Harris and Wolfe. They just don't choose to retain all of them and will look to re-stock in the draft and with less expensive FAs.
Is this some rare approach to NFL roster building that I'm missing? Seems like a challenge that all NFL teams have. Especially successful ones.
I think citing Seattle as an example is confusing here. Denver's model (Div Rd-SB loss-Div Rd-SB win) might have been as sustainable as Seattle's (Div Rd-SB win-SB loss-Div Rd). Agree with you that they are now in the same boat as everyone else, but to me getting 4-5 good years out of a model shows it's reasonably sustainable in NFL terms; it's just that their SB win came at the end of a period of sustainability, rather than nearer the start.Well the other point is that Denver had tons of cash to give away which is how they got into this position. First title winner with like 50% of their roster as free agents. It worked but it's not a sustainable model so it will be interesting to see if Elway can keep them competitive despite guys leaving for bigger deals. Seattle returned to the Super Bowl and then the divisional round after winning. The Pats have gone SB-AFCCG-AFCCG-SB-AFCCG the last five years. Will the Broncos make the playoffs again soon? TBD
Again banners fly forever so good for them. But the "easy" part is done. I expect something more like Baltimore who has now missed the playoffs two out of three years since winning
Now they really should bring back Tebow“@MikeKlis: Broncos acquire Mark Sanchez from Philly for conditional draft pick. Process has begun #9news #9sports”
“@MikeKlis: Broncos acquire Mark Sanchez from Philly for conditional draft pick. Process has begun #9news #9sports”
@Smiling Joe Hesketh
Lol“@MikeKlis: Broncos acquire Mark Sanchez from Philly for conditional draft pick. Process has begun #9news #9sports”
@Smiling Joe Hesketh
He could be entering his Trollichick phase, doing things just to taunt other people and to see if he can get away with them.I now think Elway might still be drunk from the post-SB victory party.
A competent backup doesn't lose his job to Chase Daniel.Good depth move for little acquisition cost.
Sanchez is a competent backup for a team that lost their two QBs from last year. Eagles had no use for him once Chase Daniel was signed.
I had to call a work connection of mine and he's a big Jets fan... hates and I mean hates Mark Sanchez... I thought I was about to get an avalanche of laughter out of him but instead his reaction was "holy shit I can't believe that asshole Sanchez is going to win a Super Bowl..."Is he a backup though, or does Elway think he can be the starter?
I mean, Elway's not an idiot, so Sanchez shouldn't be the starter, but then again they just won the SB with subpar play from Manning most of the year, so maybe it's not incredibly far-fetched to think they'll look at Sanchez and give him a chance to start.
Chase Daniel was with Doug Pederson for years in KC and Pederson wanted his guy in Philly. I don't see that as an indictment on Sanchez.A competent backup doesn't lose his job to Chase Daniel.
I believe $1 MM of that cap hit is bonus money that would stay with Philly, so his cap hit is only $4.5 in Denver. And they can save $3.5 by cutting Sanchez if they end up acquiring a better option somewhere along the line.He has a $5.5M cap hit. If they see him as a back-up, I gotta assume that means one of two things:
1) they will attempt to restructure his deal to add years and move his cap hit out later and cut the hit to 2016 by a ton; or
2) Elway is planning to make a huge leap in the draft to go for one of the few decent QB prospects and sees Sanchez as a bridge guy.
“@AdamSchefter: Even after trading for Mark Sanchez, Broncos plan to bring in another QB to compete for starting job. Denver not done at QB yet.”Is he a backup though, or does Elway think he can be the starter?
I mean, Elway's not an idiot, so Sanchez shouldn't be the starter, but then again they just won the SB with subpar play from Manning most of the year, so maybe it's not incredibly far-fetched to think they'll look at Sanchez and give him a chance to start.
How about the fact that he got traded for a conditional 7th round pick in 2017?Chase Daniel was with Doug Pederson for years in KC and Pederson wanted his guy in Philly. I don't see that as an indictment on Sanchez.
Wouldn't the indictment on Sanchez be if he was cut because no other team thought he was worth trading anything of value for him? Philly moved on because of Bradford and Daniel being on the roster and saw no need for Sanchez at his salary number as the 3rd QB or roster cut candidate. Once Daniel was signed they were free to shop Sanchez and apparently Denver thought he was worth it at his current cap hit to trade for him as opposed to taking the chance on him being cut and available to other teams.How about the fact that he got traded for a conditional 7th round pick in 2017?
I laughed.I think its nice that Elway let Pat Bowlen make one last deal for old-time sakes.
Really? About the only thing I like about Rex is that he REFUSED to throw Sanchez to the wolves (by sucking up all the oxygen—and snacks—in the room of course).I like Sanchez and think Rex threw him to wolves. Hope he plays well
The problem is that there is very, very little chance that the D performs at the same level, not just because they've lost players but because its almost unprecedented in the modern era for a defense to perform at a level that high for consecutive years. Denver had a -25.8 defensive DVOA last year. Many teams have had defenses in the -20 to -25 DVOA range for a single year, but the only team to be better than -20 for two straight years is the 99-00 Ravens (the 03-04 Ravens also came very close).If the D holds up, not the worst move but as a Pats fan I love the potential for future LOLz.
Really? About the only thing I like about Rex is that he REFUSED to throw Sanchez to the wolves (by sucking up all the oxygen—and snacks—in the room of course).
And you think this broncos offensive line is any better?I don't mean the press. I would never call press nerds wolves. I meant the opposing team. He was fine his first two years and then he got the shit hit out of him in year three and four.
Well Brock did have a much better passer rating than Sanchize, driven by a far better TD:INT ratio. If Brock had played all year the Broncos likely would have "earned" their 12 wins even more than they did.The flip side of all that is that they won those games despite being severely handicapped at QB other than the handful of games Brock started. Even Sanchize would provide an upgrade to what they got at QB.
Schlereth this morning on SC said he expects the Broncos to have four new starters along the O-line next season. A brand-new line and a brand-new QB.And you think this broncos offensive line is any better?
They will also have a new TE.Schlereth this morning on SC said he expects the Broncos to have four new starters along the O-line next season. A brand-new line and a brand-new QB.
Phew