Agreed. I'm sure Turner is just one of Ainge's options he's targeting if we can move up a few slots relatively cheaply.EL Jeffe said:No, that's what I meant; if they start packaging future #1's for Turner, that would be disappointing. I'd do it for WCS or Winslow if they slipped into that 8-10 range. I don't see Turner as a building block player.
The pick that is known to be available is Indiana at 11. It's going to take more than 28 to move up 5 slots. 28 doesn't carry much if any value.....teams regularly look to move out of this pick for contractual reasons which is what the Lakers and Celtics are reportedly looking to do at 27-28 this year.ElcaballitoMVP said:No one should be too upset if they trade #28 to move up a few spots for Danny to get the guy he wants. Whether that guy works out or not, I'd rather give up that late pick to get the guy he wants rather than his fallback option, so if that's Turner, so be it. I wouldn't be thrilled with the pick, and would prefer to give up more to go get WCS, but as long as we aren't dipping into our trove of future 1sts, I'm fine if Turner is their guy and they use 28 to go get him.
Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop 16s16 seconds ago
Ainge says he thinks there'll be a lot of movement on draft day: "Stay tuned." Says he's trying to move up w/both 1st round picks.
Stern is alive and well, still pulling the strings as needed for them behind the scenesEL Jeffe said:Wait - the the Lakers give up #2 and receive Cousins AND #6? FFS.
EL Jeffe said:Wait - the the Lakers give up #2 and receive Cousins AND #6? FFS.
JCizzle said:Stern is alive and well, still pulling the strings as needed for them behind the scenes
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-draft-20150623-story.htmlLeague executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.
The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.
It was for Noel and the No. 3 pick. That's why I love that story.BigSoxFan said:Smart/16/28 for Noel would be a pretty insulting offer to make but, hey, worth a shot.
Well, there was also a report that the #2 pick, Randle, and Clarkson might not be enough to just get Cousins. So no, I don't think they get Cousins by trading down 4 spots.EL Jeffe said:Wait - the the Lakers give up #2 and receive Cousins AND #6? FFS.
I don't think that is insulting. Noel is super super raw, he wasn't much better than Smart last year if any. He was not good at all on Offense, his offensive rebounding number were pretty mediocre/bad especially for the team he was on. He did protect the rim well though.BigSoxFan said:Smart/16/28 for Noel would be a pretty insulting offer to make but, hey, worth a shot.
I hope it's the same Stern who stopped the Lakers-Chris Paul trade.JCizzle said:Stern is alive and well, still pulling the strings as needed for them behind the scenes
Agree on both counts. I think I'd maybe do it if I were the Cs, but I'm not certain.Cellar-Door said:I don't think that is insulting. Noel is super super raw, he wasn't much better than Smart last year if any. He was not good at all on Offense, his offensive rebounding number were pretty mediocre/bad especially for the team he was on. He did protect the rim well though.
However, the actual trade mentioned with the #3 involved is TURRRIBLE.
I'm sure that's the rumour Lakers fans are spreading, but the Kings will get more for Cousins if/when he's traded.EL Jeffe said:Wait - the the Lakers give up #2 and receive Cousins AND #6? FFS.
Not sure it is at that. Noel is no Cauley-Stein athletically, he needs to bulk up more and move to the C spot. Smart's ankle injury obviously bothered him most of last year, if he gets healthy I think he's the prototypical new NBA G. And he's the kind of guy that will kill himself to get there.BigSoxFan said:Smart/16/28 for Noel would be a pretty insulting offer to make but, hey, worth a shot.
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/23/mock-draft-6-0-picks-11-through-20/#u6iBxybEk5YYBBBL.9916. Boston Celtics – R.J. Hunter, SG, Georgia State
The Celtics are seen as a team aggressively looking to move up, perhaps as high as fourth. With that in mind, this pick will probably belong to another team. Sources around the league have said that the Knicks, Kings, Nuggets and Hornets are all teams in the top 10 that have indicated an interest in moving down.
Hunter has been moving up boards consistently during the pre-draft process. His calling card is offense, and he has wowed teams with his repertoire. Capable of scoring from anywhere on the court, Hunter doesn’t lack confidence. He played under his father at Georgia State and is crafty with a high on-court IQ.
Even if the Celtics keep the pick, I could see Hunter being taken a shooter to help space the court for Marcus Smart and Isaiah Thomas.
With the NBA draft just two days away, GMs are working the phones frantically to explore all avenues of improving their clubs, including trades and creating cap space. The latest news appears to be the Sacramento Kings actively exploring trades for All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins.
In my last mock, I discussed a possible swap between the Kings and Denver Nuggets for Cousins. Today, there is news came that the Los Angeles Lakers are involved in three-way trade talks to acquire Cousins.
According to my sources, the Kings, Lakers and Orlando Magic have talked about a possible deal landing Cousins with the Lakers, the Kings – who pick sixth – acquiring center Nicola Vucevic and the fifth pick, and the Magic acquiring the second pick. There are still fillers and possible more assets such as draft picks and younger players that could work into any possible deal.
Another team to watch for in a potential Cousins deal is Boston. The Celtics have as many as seven first-round picks over the next two drafts – including the 16th and 28th picks Thursday – and five former first-round picks still on rookie deals that could make for an enticing package for Cousins.
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/23/mock-draft-6-0-cousins-on-the-move-knicks-on-the-outside-looking-in/#kqrD7AmHoiMPvMVj.99The Celtics are the most aggressive team in talks right now, exploring ways to move up in the draft and possibly add a star such as Cousins. GM Danny Ainge is loaded with picks and wants to make a splash this summer. Watch for a possible deal with the Knicks involving multiple first-rounders. If that falls through, I think Ainge targets a move to No. 7 with Denver. I am hearing the Celtics’ target in a possible trade up would be Kristaps Porzingis, but they also are very intrigued by Kentucky center Willie Cauley-Stein as they lack a rim protector in their stable of bigs.
Perennial All-Stars Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol were the first two European lottery picks. Since then, however, there have been 16 European players taken in the lottery; none have been All-Stars.
2014- Sarictims4wins said:Just saw this on ESPN.com. Interesting
Devizier said:Jennings is euro, then?
Yeah I noted that they must have meant Euro league players (though that isn't what the actual words they used meant). I mostly just put together the list to see how European guys did, which seems to be quite well. So where the no All-Stars stat alone might make you think Euro guys were a big risk, looking at the actual list shows that Euro guys over the past 10 years hit at a much better rate than US guys.Papelbon's Poutine said:
I don't know, good question how American high school would classify him. I believe Cellar composed that list, so who knows who ESPN had on it. I just think that logically, the point they are trying to make only makes sense if you're discussing the pipeline they took to the NBA and how the competition faced would impact their development. That Deng, Gordon or Noah were born outside the country doesn't really mean much when they moved here and competed in this country to earn their draft status.
It's ESPN, so who knows, but essentially I think they are trying to say that the European leagues that these guys compete in to garner attention and acclaim might not be as predictive as it used to be.
jon abbey said:I think Okafor is going to be a relative bust given the other guys in the top 5-6. Amazingly polished offensive game for someone so young, but a defensive sieve and he can't shoot FTs. His upside to me seems like Al Jefferson, I would go with Russell at least over him, maybe Mudiay too (I have no idea about Porzingis).
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/23/mock-draft-6-0-cousins-on-the-move-knicks-on-the-outside-looking-in/#RLJXm44DFjmohUEg.99Other names I’ve heard linked to Cleveland in a potential trade and DeRozan, Memphis forward Jeff Green and Boston guard Avery Bradley.
Cellar-Door said:I don't think that is insulting. Noel is super super raw, he wasn't much better than Smart last year if any. He was not good at all on Offense, his offensive rebounding number were pretty mediocre/bad especially for the team he was on. He did protect the rim well though.
However, the actual trade mentioned with the #3 involved is TURRRIBLE.
nighthob said:Not sure it is at that. Noel is no Cauley-Stein athletically, he needs to bulk up more and move to the C spot. Smart's ankle injury obviously bothered him most of last year, if he gets healthy I think he's the prototypical new NBA G. And he's the kind of guy that will kill himself to get there.
I think that what likely happened is that Philly tried to get Smart and a pile of picks for Noel as part of a bid on #4 from New York, and Boston countered by asking for #3 in addition to Noel, at which point the conversation ended.
But Noel has played better on offense since the All-Star break, scoring 11.5 points per game with improved efficiency and visible dedication to attacking the basket. Not coincidentally, that coincided with the February trade deadline, when the Sixers dealt Michael Carter-Williams to Milwaukee for a first-round pick.
Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer 9m9 minutes ago
Per a league source, Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed trading Anthony Bennett, Nos. 31 and 38 to the Boston Celtics for pick No. 28.
swingin val said:Bennett has a 5.8 million salary this coming year, then a team option in 16/17 for 7.3 million.
Might be worth the gamble? Kid is still just 22 years old.
Most of those high-2nds get guaranteed deals anyway if the team truly commits to them. I do this deal in a heartbeat as you can then beat Philly's 33 and 35 to Portland for their 23......with 31 and 38. There is no way Ainge is looking to add MORE 2nd round picks.....in this swap we essentially take on Bennett's salary and any potential he has to become a rotation player while moving up 5 slots from 28 to 23.moondog80 said:
Well, the 31 pick along is arguably more valuable than the 28 pick because you probably get the same guy, only at a non-guaranteed salary. But they're throwing in 38 too.
Conclusion: Bennett sucks.
moondog80 said:
Well, the 31 pick along is arguably more valuable than the 28 pick because you probably get the same guy, only at a non-guaranteed salary. But they're throwing in 38 too.
Conclusion: Bennett sucks.
Cauley-Stein stayed in front of guards on pick & roll switches. I agree that Noel looks like he will be a very good defensive center. Willie Cauley-Stein is whole different sort of animal. He can guard all three F spots and switch off onto guards on the pick & roll. So, no, Noel, for all his excellent qualities doesn't have WCS's defensive upside. There's nothing inherently wrong in that. I was objecting to the mischaracterization of Noel as some newfangled 7' Dre' Green. He isn't. And he still needs to bulk up more to play C long term.LondonSox said:Um... Noel is already showing elite defensive skills. His rim protection as a rookie was no joke, his hands are a concern but his offense and rebounding constantly improved all year. His quick hands on d give him blocks/ steals numbers that only players like Shaq and Hakeem have done, let alone as a rookie.
He played the C spot for large chunks of the season and did just fine.
For example http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nerlens-noel-the-other-rookie-of-the-year/
Mike Ortiz Jr. @xOrtiz4x 15m15 minutes ago
Boston Celtics offering Marcus Smart/Jared Sullinger/Gerald Wallace/#16/#28/multiple future 1st round picks for DeMarcus Cousins.
Mike Ortiz Jr. @xOrtiz4x 15m15 minutes ago
Boston Celtics offering Marcus Smart/Jared Sullinger/Gerald Wallace/#16/#28/multiple future 1st round picks for DeMarcus Cousins.
E5 Yaz said:
Wait. I'm admittedly not clued in to the NBA, but this seems ridiculous.
I would do that yesterday.E5 Yaz said:Wait. I'm admittedly not clued in to the NBA, but this seems ridiculous.